11 minutes ago, paco said:

Why?   Unless his play dramatically falls off it costs an additional 9 million to cut him. 
 

Edit:  I missed the 16 million option that becomes due in March.  So you may be right. 

Not only that, there's a youth movement going on on the defensive side. Move on from expensive aging vets and turn it over to the young guys. Ringo, Mitchell, and DeJean is the start of a complete overhaul. If Rodgers plays well he'll be back and his contract would be way less then what they would pay a 34 year old Slay

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Lane Johnson: they're learning a new offense with new communication.

DeVonta: everybody is trying to learn the new offense, figure it out, and get comfortable in the new offense.

But it's Nick's offense!

Nah.  At least for me, the concern is Nick sticking his nose in too much.  I think everyone wants to see Moore run Moore's offense.   I want Nick drawing new flower pictures on the chalkboard talking about getting better under the soil, etc.  Stay out of the offensive meeting rooms.  Let Moore cook.

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles spiraled from a 10-1 team to a team who couldn't beat anybody (lost to ARI, NYG) because of dysfunction, not talent.  Whether we'll ever know the full story on that dysfunction or not is in question.  I chalk a lot of it down to someone's terrible idea to hire Matt Patricia right before the season (I think Howie) and someone's more terrible idea to give him the defense in Week 15 (Nick and/or Howie).  The secondary dysfunction was downgrading from Steichen to Brian Johnson at OC.      

The only way someone can predict 5 wins for this season is to believe all of the dysfunction is still there.  The roster appears to be an 11 or 12 win team.  The coaching staff is established and well qualified.  

I'm probably nuts but I wonder if hiring Matt Patricia then having him call the defense at the end of last year has something to do with Jeffrey's obsession with the Patriots and the Patriot Way.  It wasn't Siri's idea so Siri didn't pay with his job.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

Angelo Cataldi just said that the Eagles will win five games this year lol

Yea, 5 wins in the first 5 games

56 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cap guys....what does it mean to have no guaranteed salary but to have a cap hit?  This is Darius Slay's 2025 salary. He has $0 guaranteed salary but his cap hit is $13.7 million. How should we be looking at that in terms of him being on the 2025 roster? 

2025 📝

34

$1,255,000

$7,413,483

$4,947,000

$150,000

$0

$13,765,483

5.3%

$22,706,449

($8,940,966)

I know we have a long ways to go and everyone not might be as good as we think but if Rodgers and Ringo are as good as advertised (with room to improve) and Mitchell and DeJean are the real deal, I don't know what the Eagles are going to do with Slay after this year.

Rodgers will still just be 27 in 2025 with Mitchell being 23 and DeJean and Ringo being 22. 

Will one of these guys go the way of Al Harris and play his best football for another team? There's always the chance of a Brandon Boykin too so again, don't want to get too far ahead of myself. Just pretty incredible the situation that the Eagles might be in at CB. We aren't even talking about Ricks, McPhearson or Jobe, who are all NFL caliber backup CBs.

It's the prorated signing bonus and prorated option bonus money coming due.  I think the odds are pretty long for him to be on the roster next year.  I expect him to be a June 1 designated salary cap casualty.  Because I don't see him being a good soldier and playing for $1.25M, which is his expected salary for 2025.  So, they will take the hit over two years... And I think that's why the bonus money is spilt into signing bonus and option bonus designations.  My guess is that they work differently when cut.   Looks like $9m cap hit for 2025 and the rest lands in 2026... likely close to $16M.

40 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cap guys....what does it mean to have no guaranteed salary but to have a cap hit?  This is Darius Slay's 2025 salary. He has $0 guaranteed salary but his cap hit is $13.7 million. How should we be looking at that in terms of him being on the 2025 roster? 

2025 📝

34

$1,255,000

$7,413,483

$4,947,000

$150,000

$0

$13,765,483

5.3%

$22,706,449

($8,940,966)

You'll see in that chart Slay has a base salary of $1,255,000 for 2025, but it is not guaranteed ... i.e., if they cut him, they will not have to pay that $1,255,000, nor a number of other bonuses and other payments in his contract that according to OverTheCap will total up to $16M for 2025.

If they cut him, the dead cap hit for 2025 will be about $22.7M -- that is the amount of money he will have been paid through the 2024 season that has not yet been applied against the cap from an accounting standpoint.  If they instead keep him for 2025, they will have to pay him that $16M in new money and the cap rules dictate that they will apply about $13.8M total against the cap in 2025.  That would add an additional $2.2M of money paid but not yet applied to the cap (the $16M he gets paid less the $13.8M applied under the rules in 2024) -- now totaling $24.9M.  That amount would be applied against the cap in 2026 (barring some other extension or arrangement).

From the team's perspective, the timing of the salary cap hit probably will not come into play, so it will be a pretty simple decision:  Do they want to pay a declining then 34 1/2 year old cornerback $16M in new money for one season of work, and correspondingly have to apply that additional $16M against their salary cap at some point?  The answer will quite likely be no.

2 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Angelo Cataldi just said that the Eagles will win five games this year lol

There’s too much talent for them to only win five games unless they get destroyed by the injury bug. But I do think it’s fair to say that Sirianni might be a lame-duck coach and if they face any adversity, like they did last season, the wheels could come off. It’s why I think they either win 12-13 games or only 7 or 8. I don’t think there will be an in between. It’ll either be smooth sailing like most of 2022 was or an implosion. 

2 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Angelo Cataldi just said that the Eagles will win five games this year lol

What a snot pump!

10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For what he was... he was very very good.    For what Greg Ward was... he was very very JAG.

 

Avant played with Desean and Maclin.   He didn't need to stretch the field, he needed to work the middle of the field, where Desean was ineffective.  And he did that very well.  He needed to be that sure handed receiver that would be in the right place, at the right time, to keep the chains moving... and he did that very well.

First down %
Avant - 63%
Ward - 52%

For comparison purposes:
DeVonta Smith - 61%
AJ Brown - 71%

AND... unlike Ward who was at best a JAG as a ST player (his punt return ability was marred by his lack of confidence in making catches on the ball and letting it bounce far far too frequently... Avant was a Core 4 ST player who was named Captain because of his ST duties.   

I'd love it if this team had a guy that they could count on like they counted on Avant during his time here as the #3.  No, he was never a guy you'd want to step in as a starter out wide in case of injury, but in the slot... he did his job very very well.  He played his role perfectly.   And I'd feel a lot better about our receiving corps if we had a guy like him right now.   I currently have zero confidence in any of the contenders to be the #3WR on the field.  Maybe one of them will prove me wrong.

I would argue that Ward was sub jag and Avant was jaggier than anyone wants to admit.  

23 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

You seriously think they'd let Parsons go? He's one of their best players and he's young

They may not have a choice. 

6 hours ago, bpac55 said:

And this explains it

 

 

Explains what?

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Explains what?

I had posted a few minutes prior to that about Hebert being at practice but didn't see any reports of him being on the team.

37 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I would argue that Ward was sub jag and Avant was jaggier than anyone wants to admit.  

I'll disagree with you on Avant.  

This team…. Phils!!!!

JT Realmuto is grossly underappreciated.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I would argue that Ward was sub jag and Avant was jaggier than anyone wants to admit.  

Eh compared to a #1 or #2 receiver yea avant might be a jag but in the realm of slot receivers, dude was clutch. He wasn't irreplaceable, but also not easily replaceable as a JAG would be. 

At the time, easily a top 10 slot receiver which would have put him around the 70th best receiver in the league, I feel that's pretty fair. To you that might be a JAG, but I disagree

5 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Angelo Cataldi just said that the Eagles will win five games this year lol

I didn’t listen to him when he was on the radio, why would I listen to him now?

Bo and Zach were raving about Ringo today. Said he looked very good albeit it only being OTAs. Also had high praise for Rodgers. And Bo was very high on Becton. Thought he looked good at guard and thinks it’s a coin flip of him beating Steen out for the RG job.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

JT Realmuto is grossly underappreciated.

Outside of Philadelphia, yeah. But any Phillies fan that pays even a little attention knows how good\tough he is.  

There's no comparison between Avant and Ward. Avant played ten years, was consistent in his role as a WR3 behind two very good receivers, and was on some decent teams. Ward got playing time in 2020 because the receiving group was an absolute disaster and he was a last resort. He's a good story, lasted in the league longer than a guy like him should have, had a great moment with the GW TD against Washington in 2019, but he's the definition of JAG. I do think he was one of the better WRs on the team in 2020, but when you're surrounded by Reagor, JJAW, Fulgham, and a beat down Alshon and DeSean, that's not saying much. 

I also think he would have been better for the offense last season if he saw Quez's snaps, but a traffic cone would have done a better job too. 

58 minutes ago, paco said:

I didn’t listen to him when he was on the radio, why would I listen to him now?

To be retro.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

He’s apparently not good with math because when you have to pay your star WR $32 + MM and your QB like $50 MM+, you can’t pay one defensive player roughly $35 MM or you’ll have three players making half the salary cap and even the idiot Jerry Jones knows you can’t win with that formula. 

8 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The disparity between his contract and Jefferson's is crazy when you consider their contributions to their respective offenses. Jefferson is the more valuable player, but not as much as the contract numbers would imply.

Yeah - I was kind of surprised it wasn’t close to the top WRs who are all around $30 MM. 

Obviously just one practice, but...

How would you feel if Ringo won the job opposite Slay?

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Obviously just one practice, but...

How would you feel if Ringo won the job opposite Slay?

Fine by me. Let the best two win. Mitchell can sit the first year like Sheppard did.