1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Talk is cheap though.  Dolphins vets are saying Fangio was the problem.  Fangio wasn't THE problem in Miami and I don't think we can just dismiss things on Johnson/Desai either.

I'm willing to dismiss things on Desai/Johnson for ya in the spirit of wishful thinking.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If Shipley isn't the KR he should be RB2 a lot sooner than later.

 

Doesn't seem like Hurts is having the best OTAs seems to be throwing a lot of picks. Not sure it's a big deal though he seems much more of a gamer than a practice performer. Even in 2022 the consensus was he had a good camp, but not a great one and not leaps and bounds better than 2021.

 

23 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Seems like he and Ringo are battling for now, but I expect Mitchell will get a chance as well. At this point, seems like Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Mitchell and DeJean are locks. Then you have one of Maddox or Hall (likely Maddox given versatility). So is there a 7th spot for one of Ricks/Jobe/Hall is the question.

EDIT: Just saw post above that Mitchell getting a chance with the 1st team.

Slay, Ringo, Mitchell, DeJean, Rodgers, Hall and one of Ricks/Jobe/McPhearson are your 7 CB

Blankenship, CJGJ, Maddox, Garner/Sam are your 4 safeties. 

Bradberry isn't a safety.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Brandon Smith...uh oh, Trotter is a bust!!!

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Slay, Ringo, Mitchell, DeJean, Rodgers, Hall and one of Ricks/Jobe/McPhearson are your 7 CB

Blankenship, CJGJ, Maddox, Garner/Sam are your 4 safeties. 

Bradberry isn't a safety.

Given Maddox and DeJean's flexibility, maybe it is easier to just name 10-11 DBs.

Locks (8): Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Mitchell, DeJean, Maddox, CJGJ, Blankenship

Bubble (8): Hall, Ricks, Jobe, Bradberry, Garner, McPhearson, McCollum, Stephens

I'd keep Ricks, Jobe and Garner from the bubble. I think Jobe's special teams play is important.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Given Maddox and DeJean's flexibility, maybe it is easier to just name 10-11 DBs.

Locks (8): Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Mitchell, DeJean, Maddox, CJGJ, Blankenship

Bubble (8): Hall, Ricks, Jobe, Bradberry, Garner, McPhearson, McCollum, Stephens

That's kind of how I'm looking at it. CJGJ and Maddox can both be S/Slot CB. DeJean can be Slot/Outside CB. 

They kept 7 CB last year and wouldn't bat an eye if they did again this year. I'd rather go heavy at a position of strength instead of cutting one just to keep a JAG for numbers at another. 

At the end of the day, it's going to come down to is it better to keep Eli Ricks as a 7th CB or a 6th WR, 5th LB etc. 

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Brandon Smith...uh oh, Trotter is a bust!!!

I’m actually kinda surprised VanSumeren doesn’t seem to be doing anything despite all the hype. 

Oren Burks has been completely MIA from everything I’ve seen. 

Looks like Baun is ahead of Dean at LB. Not ideal.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

How quickly folks forget Mike Lieberthal and Bob Boone.  Boone is likely in the Hall of Fame if not for playing at the same time as Johnny Bench, and Lieberthal was a better, more consistent offensive player than Daulton.    

I didn't forget either one.   And I stand by what I said.   Lieberthal isn't close to Realmuto defensively, and frankly, not as good offensively either.   Lieberthal gets a lot of appreciation because he was pretty good on a team that was terrible.  Boone was very very good.  But, he wasn't the offensive weapon Realmuto is.   

Being a Hall of Famer isn't dictated by whom you played at the same time as.  That's silly.   It might have limited his ability to win Gold Gloves, but its not the determining factor on getting into the HoF.  The writers can vote for the 2nd best player of a generation into the HoF at each position.   It's silly to put forward that he's overshadowed by Bench for the HoF.  He wasn't a HoF catcher.  Boone was basically a one way player as a catcher, which is great.   But, generally the HoF catchers need to bring more offense to the table.   Boone didn't do that.  There was a reason he was hitting 8th in the order for the 1980 team.  

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

It isn’t just defensively.  His game management … management of (communication with) his pitcher(s) is outstanding. 

I pointed that out separately, but to me, that's part of the 'defensive' responsibility of a catcher.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

They hired Moore to run his offense, but it's not like Nick doesn't have a track record as well. And Nick knows what the Eagles have been running, which is useful to Moore b/c he wants as much continuity as possible, so he's adding rather than totally revamping and have everyone start from ground zero.

What exactly is Nick's track record?

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Talk is cheap though.  Dolphins vets are saying Fangio was the problem.  Fangio wasn't THE problem in Miami and I don't think we can just dismiss things on Johnson/Desai either.

Largely agree as Fangio has a proven track record in the NFL where the others are first time coordinators, so it's easier to say that player/coach relationship was the problem in Miami since the coach has that background. Here we knew the players had performed better the year prior, so it's logical to want to dismiss the coaches here, but there was likely a combination of coaching and player ability deficiencies here.

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Anyone 2nd guessing the Johnson promotion now is doing some revisionist history. Coming off Hurts' success in 2022, Johnson was the obvious choice. Clearly it turned out he was in over his head, but there was no better option at the time. I honestly think Brian was in over his head to a degree as a play caller and was remarkably stubborn, but also Alex Tanney was dreadful as a replacement at QB coach. Basically, we weakened the 2 most important positions on the offensive staff.  

I didn't hate the Desai hire, but I would have preferred a more experienced DC that allowed Nick more time to oversee the offense given the youth on the coaching staff.

Absolutely. Most of us thought Johnson was the perfect replacement. I never expected regression from the offense, but here we are a year later with a new coordinator. 

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What exactly is Nick's track record?

I don't know .. did he throw the Javelin or something in H.S.?

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

I don't know .. did he throw the Javelin or something in H.S.?

Too skinny for that. Looks more like a hurdler to me.

Also seems like a pretty disappointing minicamps for Nolan Smith. Haven't heard anything from him at all. I think Brandon Graham got more first team reps than Smith. 

It's early, but he's someone you would hope is making a stronger impression. 

16 minutes ago, beto_eagles said:

Absolutely. Most of us thought Johnson was the perfect replacement. I never expected regression from the offense, but here we are a year later with a new coordinator. 

"Perfect"?   No.   He was the guy that they had lined up for that position after Steichen left.  BUT... he had no NFL play calling experience.   Does that make him a 'perfect' replacement?   Absolutely not.   He was the guy that they brought in to be the new OC though... so it was just following the plan.   Turns out, the plan was flawed.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also seems like a pretty disappointing minicamps for Nolan Smith. Haven't heard anything from him at all. I think Brandon Graham got more first team reps than Smith. 

It's early, but he's someone you would hope is making a stronger impression. 

He's not injured is he?

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He's not injured is he?

No

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Mailata's PC comments on Cam Jurgens at Center: said he's a natural center, not a guard and playing the position he was brought in to play. He's communicating well, making the calls, being vocal. Expressed confidence in him and that he's doing great. 

He also talked about the standard of the O line room that has been passed on from different eras of players, references Peters and Brooks and now with Kelce gone it's Lane, him and Landon upholding the standard for the new players. 

Yeah, in THIS OL room, you don't get respect until you make an All pro team. 🤣

As far as performance, nothing matters until the pads go on.

This is just walk throughs, learning new schemes, new lingo, new roles.

I don't get excited until I see a kid show it in pre-season (dominate against inferior competition).

Nolan Smith per reports had a great camp last year and then during the season was invisible so maybe this year he’ll have an invisible camp and be great during the season.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also seems like a pretty disappointing minicamps for Nolan Smith. Haven't heard anything from him at all. I think Brandon Graham got more first team reps than Smith. 

It's early, but he's someone you would hope is making a stronger impression. 

We won’t know anything about the lineman until training camp. There’s nothing to know without pads.