1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Will we see actual hot routes in the O now? 

The dream.

10 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Injuries are going to happen. Just ask Sydney Brown. Soft camp, tears ACL in week 17. 

Mental reps are not more important than physical reps. You need that repetition, that muscle memory, the coordination with your teammates. This OL especially is going to need lots of live work. How do they mesh in the middle with new Center and new RG? How is the timing with Jurgens snaps and pulling or Steens pulling? What about these LB and new DB? Mental reps only take you so far.

Get read for more poor tackling. 

You're making the opposite point you are trying to with that example.  Having to go to one guy got hurt in week 17 is literally advertising the effectiveness of a less physical camp

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

The dream.

It's not just hot routes, it's RB screens, draw plays, etc.

There were just so many bad elements of that offense last year and no adjustments, I'll be happy if I never see another WR screen - with this OL, conventional RB screens should be killers, especially with Sanders - you have big mobile OL who can hit targets in space - so you're throwing to a WR and asking the other WR to block and hope the defense doesn't read the play?

JR, did they even run draw plays, traps, etc. to slow down a pass rush?

No motion, few bunch formations, they couldn't run a rub route without drawing a illegal block penalty.

It seemed the primary play was 4 receivers go deep and let Hurts run around and make something happen. Effectively no #3 WR or #2 TE.

RBs were targeted 93 times, AR had offenses where RBs caught 100+ passes

And when the league caught up mid-season, I can't remember any adjustments.

40 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

You're making the opposite point you are trying to with that example.  Having to go to one guy got hurt in week 17 is literally advertising the effectiveness of a less physical camp

I mostly agree with you. I still think just good luck is a big factor but it is getting harder to point to that after multiple years of no major injuries.

A better example would have been Graham tearing his Achilles Week 2 but that was all the way back to 2021.

52 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not just hot routes, it's RB screens, draw plays, etc.

There were just so many bad elements of that offense last year and no adjustments, I'll be happy if I never see another WR screen - with this OL, conventional RB screens should be killers, especially with Sanders - you have big mobile OL who can hit targets in space - so you're throwing to a WR and asking the other WR to block and hope the defense doesn't read the play?

JR, did they even run draw plays, traps, etc. to slow down a pass rush?

No motion, few bunch formations, they couldn't run a rub route without drawing a illegal block penalty.

It seemed the primary play was 4 receivers go deep and let Hurts run around and make something happen. Effectively no #3 WR or #2 TE.

RBs were targeted 93 times, AR had offenses where RBs caught 100+ passes

And when the league caught up mid-season, I can't remember any adjustments.

Sanders?

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I mostly agree with you. I still think just good luck is a big factor but it is getting harder to point to that after multiple years of no major injuries.

A better example would have been Graham tearing his Achilles Week 2 but that was all the way back to 2021.

Luck is definitely a factor.  I'm not saying the Eagles have the perfect mix either. I'm sure they could add some time and rigor to practice but in general the philosophy of not grinding these players too hard before a 7-game season seems to be the right one.  As has been said the players work out year round these days and it's not like it was even 30 years ago

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Will we see actual hot routes in the O now? 

 

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

 

 

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

By the end of the first game, starters have more reps than they got in a traditional training camp.

Traditional: 1Q, 1Q and a series, 1 half and 1 series, sit out 4th game.

Now it's 1Q, 1 half, sit down.

The guys who need the reps are the backups, rookies, SFAs, etc., who have to practice fundamentals.

They're the ones who are hurt by eliminating an exhibition game and who need those scrimmages with other teams, both to get practice time and showcase their skills.

As far as physical practices, I don't want my veteran starters beat up before the season starts.

Now it's nothing, nothing, and nothing.  Starters rarely see the field at all in the preseason.

On 7/14/2024 at 4:10 PM, schuy7 said:

Hurts wasn't ranked in the top 5 of NFC quarterbacks alone on this list. The outrage over that is coming soon.

Tbh by the end of the year I’d argue there were 5 QBs playing better than him in the NFC. If we are just going off last year and how it ended I’d could argue Stafford, Goff, love, Dak and purdy. Jordan love his last 8 games had a 18:1 TD to int ratio while completing 70% of his passes. Goff helped the lions get to the nfc title game. Dak imploded in the playoffs but was considered an mvp candidate til the end. As much as people dislike purdy he was playing well. And Stafford was pretty good his last 8 games including the playoffs. Completed 67.5% and had a 18:4 TD to int ratio 

On 7/15/2024 at 11:47 AM, HazletonEagle said:

they could easily be QB issues. Motion too advanced for him. Hot routes require reading defenses and fast processing. RPO used to take care of the issue, but teams learned to play those smarter and made Hurts more hesitant. Lack of RB in passing game is from his propensity to want to do everything himself. If he isnt getting passing yards, he wants rushing yards. Hes selfish. 

I am not sure how motion is too complex.  It seemed based on Sirianni's comments that the lack of motion was what he wanted in the scheme.  Here are some of his comments on it last season:

"We motion for a very distinct reason,” Sirianni said. "We’re going to motion if we can create an advantage, if we can figure out what defense they’re in, [or] if we can get a guy in position to do his job better. We’re not a team that’s just going to motion [just] to motion. We’re going to do it for those three main reasons.” 

"We find different ways to give [Hurts] the coverage indicators,” Sirianni said. "We’re fighting like crazy to get that many different ways, and there’s different ways to get it. In fact, I think defenses have gotten a lot better, in general, taking away some of the motion. ... I’m not saying that’s why we’re not doing it, but they have gotten better at disguising it.”

 https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-nick-sirianni-jalen-hurts-joe-banner-20210930.html 

From that same story there is this comment about his scheme in general:

Both Sirianni and offensive coordinator Shane Steichen come from offensive systems that didn’t feature heavy motion like Shanahan does. Still, several coaches around the league, including John Harbaugh, Sean McVay, and Andy Reid, run different schemes but have all successfully incorporated motion into their offenses as it becomes more prevalent in the league.

It seems to me that the lack of motion was because of the scheme and had little to do with Hurts.  

Hot routes does require reading a defense.  I think there is a legitimate question about whether Hurts would make the right throw and understand the need to not rely on his mobility to extend a play.  I also did not see a lot of hot routes in response to a blitz.  My question is whether that was an area of regression for Hurts or were there fixes to the problem in 2022 that were not used in 2023.  My guess is they used certain playcalls more effectively.  I think they slants and hitches more effectively in 2022 than 2023. I think ther were solutions used in 2022 that included more hot routes that didn't seem to be used in 2023. This could be Hurts but I don't think it was just Hurts.  I also don't think it's a play he cannot execute or that he regressed.  

The lack of RB usage may have to do with Hurts but I don't see a lot of routes where RB is the first read.  I also think the RB screen game has been awful under Sirianni.  I don't think that's Hurts.  

22 hours ago, Talonblood said:

After last years collapse, the Eagles are going to have a very soft camp- AGAIN. I have always hated Siri's soft ass camps, but he is a stubborn idiot who is going to do it again. Fangio must be pissed. 🤣

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2024-training-camp-will-be-slightly-harder-focus-will-remain-player-health-nick-sirianni/

Instead of padded practices where the players where pads, they are going to put padding on the field so falling down doesn't cause any ouchies.  

15 hours ago, McMVP said:

Here’s a screenshot from the official NFL YouTube channel for our Eagles. Their 2024 preview.  Video is new…released today.  Anyone else think that they could do better?  
 

 

TIL we haven't had a CB since 2019.   

 

Ignore the cowboy fans take, just listen to what cosell had to say. Frankly this year i think we will find out a lot about how accurate cosell is or isn’t 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I’d bet on the commanders. Been a lot of smoke there for a while 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I hope he ends up somewhere in the AFC.  I would not be happy with him in Washington.  He would give them a legitimate WR corps.  The Bills should be calling every 5 minutes about him.  

37 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Now it's nothing, nothing, and nothing.  Starters rarely see the field at all in the preseason.

Most starters if they're already in shape, don't need a lot of reps to get their timing, etc.

The exception would be players like Jurgens, who has to get used to new responsibilities at center, Carter, Davis, etc. where they're still refining technique and so forth

With the backups/marginal players it's the opposite, the reason they're backups is they're not ready to start, so it's either inexperience, where they need as many reps as possible, or lack of talent, where the coaches need as many reps as possible to get good reads on players.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I hope he ends up somewhere in the AFC.  I would not be happy with him in Washington.  He would give them a legitimate WR corps.  The Bills should be calling every 5 minutes about him.  

Frankly would also prefer it not being New England if in the afc as they are likely going to be one of the worst teams so if it’s a 2nd it’ll be a high second rounder 

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Luck is definitely a factor.  I'm not saying the Eagles have the perfect mix either. I'm sure they could add some time and rigor to practice but in general the philosophy of not grinding these players too hard before a 7-game season seems to be the right one.  As has been said the players work out year round these days and it's not like it was even 30 years ago

Would be nice if they utilized all of the limited time on the field, even if its just non-contact positional work with the youngest, most inexperienced players.  Leaving time on the clock makes no sense to me with how limited the contact time with coaches is according to the CBA.  

The thing about an RPO offense is that you literally can't do full-field reads. It's a binary decision: give or throw. You can't hold the ball or the OL will be too downfield

50 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Now it's nothing, nothing, and nothing.  Starters rarely see the field at all in the preseason.

Oh, they see it... and they are locked in.

 

 

 

Nothing surprising here, he has had a different OC every year since he started college, he was in a running QB system in Oklahoma, and the RPO scheme here.

So on the one hand Hurts knows a lot about offenses, he's never had the chance to master a conventional QB system like the one Moore runs.

Growing pains are to be expected, but even if Moore leaves, the experience should improve Hurts' feel for the passing game.

It'll also help to have a safety valve, to master RB screens, use draw plays and traps to slow down pass rushes, etc.

One impact of a more sophisticated offense will be to get more separation for receivers and easier throws for Hurts.

 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

The thing about an RPO offense is that you literally can't do full-field reads. It's a binary decision: give or throw. You can't hold the ball or the OL will be too downfield

The two things I took from that video are 1) eagles coaches think it’s going to be a challenge for him to be a full field reader. that felt like in general if they weren’t running RPOs and just overall. 2) the eagles basically cut down parts of their offense even in 2022 cause it wasn’t something he did very well when they asked him to do it.