I'm not sure a dink and dunk offense fits Hurts' skillset. He doesn't have a quick release, and I'm not sure he's shown the ability to know where to go with the ball pre-snap at an elite level to make that kind of precise passing game work. Should be fun to see how this plays out.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not sure a dink and dunk offense fits Hurts' skillset. He doesn't have a quick release, and I'm not sure he's shown the ability to know where to go with the ball pre-snap at an elite level to make that kind of precise passing game work. Should be fun to see how this plays out.

You don't dink and dunk when you have AJ and Smith on the outside. Then again, his poor mechanics and accuracy that he showed last year wouldn't help in any offense 

6 minutes ago, Godfather said:

You don't dink and dunk when you have AJ and Smith on the outside. Then again, his poor mechanics and accuracy that he showed last year wouldn't help in any offense 

There's a balance, of course, between slower developing deep passes and a dink and dunk offense. I'm curious to see how Hurts looks in the new offense. While he has a lot of good traits, he isn't the most fluid and natural thrower. You really have to play to his strengths, so that'll be the task for Kellen Moore.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought the Eagles would go this route for a backup veteran S heading into camp. But another S needy team seems to be off the board for Justin Simmons.

Makes me wonder how much they like Tristan McCollum. Seems a bit risky to go into camp with S3 possibly on PUP.  But there is the possibility that Maddox and/or Bradberry are back up Ss.  Bradberry will be given every chance because he is paid for.  He is S sized. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

nah. youll see in time. 

I highly doubt that I will view Jalen Hurts as a ‘cancer’, whether he ultimately succeeds here or not.

That is where we can agree to disagree

They should do an Eagles game inside the KOP mall.

 

 

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

lol…there are shticks, and then there are ridiculous takes.  I think you are in danger of becoming another form of RR…just in a different way.  But you’re better than that…or I thought. 

There are ways to be critical and make sense along the way…and then there are other ways too I suppose

 

 

He's become a clone of that one guy that got banned a couple years ago that was the leader of his whole pack of trolls.  

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

nah. youll see in time. 

It really has become a shtick and has gotten shriller. Unbecoming. Give it a rest it at least tone it down.

Here’s my take on Hurts until Sept…anyone that thinks they KNOW Hurts and what he can and can’t do…is wrong.  They may end up being right, but they really don’t know.

His next stage is unpredictable.  He’s done some amazing things and shown some significant red flags.  He could go full Wentz or MVP SB champion from here.  Or Mcnabb…a perennial good QB with a steady burn for a long time that just never gets it done.  All of these are possible and anyone who thinks they know which is coming is FOS.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

So your statement here is that the head coach, OC and assistant coaches don't want Hurts to run, but he runs anyway? And the coaches don't do anything about it? Wow, they are terrible coaches with no power then.

I do agree Hurts should run less and protect his body, but if he's not doing what the coaches want then the coaches have to...I don't know...coach him.

Multiple players have pointed to offensive coaching as a problem last year, and are saying positive things already about the changes with Moore. So let's see how this plays out.

I think they don't want him to run as much as he does.  Just my opinion.  I could be totally off.   I'm sure they're fine with him running on occasion to make a play, get a 1st, etc.  Just seems like especially last year he would run around when it wasn't needed and felt like opposing defenses were ready for it.  

They could be telling him to stay in the pocket,  that you have protection and you can hit this guy here for 3-4 yards or that guy sitting in the flat for 5-6 yards.  But his natural instinct is to run and it takes over what he was coached.

Regardless this year will tell alot not just about Hurts but about Sirianni as well.  

It's getting close and I can't wait.  

 

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts went from coachable, hard working leader, to selfish me first stat compiler with strained relationship with HC.

Hes a cancer. Get him outta here.

Amen. Except I said he sucked after a few games

7 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Hurts had one of the longest times to throw in the NFL last season.  He wasn't just taking off and running after a read.  I would bet that most of his rushing attempts last season were designed runs.  I think he's reluctant to come off of his first read and will try to buy time in the pocket with his legs rather than throwing a checkdown but that's not the same as taking off too early.  

Imagine this scenario for a moment.

Hurts drops back to pass and has a clean pocket. He sees Lane Johnson engaged with the defensive end who is pushing upfield (but is still being controlled by Johnson). Instead of stepping up into the clean pocket and scanning downfield, Hurts decides to drop back even further and then circles to his right, around the defensive end who had been under controlled but is now in a position to chase him. Hurts then runs along the sideline and realizes he will not be able to get back to the line of scrimmage if he keeps it. He realizes that since has been running to his right, there are now no open receivers in the window in front of him. Hurts then chucks the ball out of bounds for an incompletion.

My guess is that according to timing stats, this would count as a play where Hurts had a lot of time. A play like that might take about seven or eight seconds from the time he received the snap until the instant he chucked it away.

Does anything feel wrong about interpreting this play in a positive light ("lookee, Hurts had a lot of time there!")?

Has any Eagles fan ever witnessed a play like the one described? Once perhaps? Twice maybe? Or maybe DOZENS OF TIMES?

 

12 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Imagine this scenario for a moment.

Hurts drops back to pass and has a clean pocket. He sees Lane Johnson engaged with the defensive end who is pushing upfield (but is still being controlled by Johnson). Instead of stepping up into the clean pocket and scanning downfield, Hurts decides to drop back even further and then circles to his right, around the defensive end who had been under controlled but is now in a position to chase him. Hurts then runs along the sideline and realizes he will not be able to get back to the line of scrimmage if he keeps it. He realizes that since has been running to his right, there are now no open receivers in the window in front of him. Hurts then chucks the ball out of bounds for an incompletion.

My guess is that according to timing stats, this would count as a play where Hurts had a lot of time. A play like that might take about seven or eight seconds from the time he received the snap until the instant he chucked it away.

Does anything feel wrong about interpreting this play in a positive light ("lookee, Hurts had a lot of time there!")?

Has any Eagles fan ever witnessed a play like the one described? Once perhaps? Twice maybe? Or maybe DOZENS OF TIMES?

 

A whole bunch.  That play disappearing along with the one-yard passes to Goedert will tell me that Kellen Moore is making a positive impact on the play calling.  Sirianni and Brian Johnson knew full well that Hurts was escaping out to the right habitually, yet never seemed to incorporate leaking a RB or blocking TE into the short flat to give him an outlet to throw to.  It was very frustrating to watch.

Nussmeier is apparently very big on getting the ball out within the allotted time the play is designed for.  Keeping the offense more in rhythm should help Hurts; we will see.

4 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

I think they don't want him to run as much as he does.  Just my opinion.  I could be totally off.   I'm sure they're fine with him running on occasion to make a play, get a 1st, etc.  Just seems like especially last year he would run around when it wasn't needed and felt like opposing defenses were ready for it.  

They could be telling him to stay in the pocket,  that you have protection and you can hit this guy here for 3-4 yards or that guy sitting in the flat for 5-6 yards.  But his natural instinct is to run and it takes over what he was coached.

Regardless this year will tell alot not just about Hurts but about Sirianni as well.  

It's getting close and I can't wait.  

 

You're just trying to justify your own hate for Hurts.

 

I know what he can do and will do.  He is at the absolute worst the 3rd best QB in the NFL.  He will likely win the MVP this upcoming season.  Hopefully the Super Bowl as well but that will also be beyond him as we saw in the last Super Bowl where he played lights out.  

My two cents on Hurts: I think that he, like pretty much every player on the team, lost faith in the coaches and started freelancing. It was clear to everyone in here that the coaches had no answers. If it was clear to us, how much clearer still would it be to the players?

Sounds like Jordan Love is about to get 56m$ a year. 
 

and Dak’s price goes up a little bit more. Keep sitting on your hands, Jerry

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Sounds like Jordan Love is about to get 56m$ a year. 
 

and Dak’s price goes up a little bit more. Keep sitting on your hands, Jerry

That’s a huge gamble if true 

10 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're just trying to justify your own hate for Hurts.

 

I know what he can do and will do.  He is at the absolute worst the 3rd best QB in the NFL.  He will likely win the MVP this upcoming season.  Hopefully the Super Bowl as well but that will also be beyond him as we saw in the last Super Bowl where he played lights out.  

Ok let him keep running and see how long he lasts.  

Most QB rankings going into this year have Hurts bottom of the top 10 or not in it.  So clearly many in the NFL view Hurts just as some on here do.

 

Dak is Mcnabb.  He’s a better pure passer and better in regular season, even worse in the playoffs.  Too good to dump him, not good enough to take you to a title.  
 

You are never further from a championship than when you are close but definitely not good enough.  

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-jeffrey-lurie-nick-sirianni-fired-20240720.html

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Camp starts Tuesday. Nick’s still here. Why? Because Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie believes Sirianni can be the next Andy Reid. Or Bill Belichick. Maybe even Bill Walsh, or Don Shula. Lurie hired Sirianni after firing overmatched Doug Pederson in 2021 after five roller-coaster seasons. Lurie wasn’t looking to hire a coach for the next five years. He was looking to hire one for the next 20. Lurie still believes Sirianni is that guy. "Jeffrey thinks Nick is the real deal,” said a former Eagles executive in a recent conversation. You could feel the guy’s eyes roll over the phone. He was not alone in his incredulity. The general feeling among the NFL cognoscenti is that Lurie thinks Sirianni still has superb potential — as long as Sirianni can spend some time removed from the demands of developing an offense. [...] This is Lurie’s plan. He wants Sirianni and Hurts to be his Belichick and Brady, his Reid and Mahomes, his Walsh and Montana. Lurie realizes that Sirianni stank at times last season, and he blames Nick as much as anyone for the humiliation, but he also believes that Sirianni is more than just salvageable, league sources said. He thinks Sirianni is special.

 

23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-jeffrey-lurie-nick-sirianni-fired-20240720.html

 

Lurie is an absolute idiot if he thinks sirianni can become an elite HC. He doesn't know strategy! The fact it mentions him having to spend time removed from the demands of developing an offense says it all. Sirianni should've been gone last year, but will be gone by next year when Kellen Moore leaves to be a HC (or hopefully becomes the HC here if the offense works out)

If people don't believe Hurts is a top QB then they just never liked him IMO

17 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not sure a dink and dunk offense fits Hurts' skillset. He doesn't have a quick release, and I'm not sure he's shown the ability to know where to go with the ball pre-snap at an elite level to make that kind of precise passing game work. Should be fun to see how this plays out.

This.

Smith and Brown would actually be excellent in a high completion, short passing setup. Brown is a monster after the catch and Smith is arguably the best route runner in the NFL with great hands.

But playing that type of offense requires a QB who can read the defense pre snap, throw with a quick release and deliver hyper accurate passes into tight windows. Thats not Hurts. At least, not yet. I do think some of that can be developed over the long term.

51 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Dak is Mcnabb.  He’s a better pure passer and better in regular season, even worse in the playoffs.  Too good to dump him, not good enough to take you to a title.  
 

You are never further from a championship than when you are close but definitely not good enough.  

Agreed.

It takes stones to trade a QB at that level. Especially as a GM. Not only do you get the fan backlash, but then you are putting your job on the line because actually replacing him with someone better is so difficult.

It’s one reason I am such a big fan of drafting QBs or bringing in talented reclamation projects even when you have a good starter. We went from Wentz to Hurts. We went from McNabb to Kolb to Vick. Keep that pipeline full of pressure and you might get lucky.