On 5/4/2024 at 1:28 AM, RememberTheKoy said:

Of the rumored Sixers targets to pair with Embiid and Maxey I rank them in the order of which I hope they end up getting as:

1. LeBron

2. Kevin Durant

3. Jimmy Butler

4. Paul George

5. Brandon Ingram 

 

Wild card option of Steph Curry would probably take the #1 spot.  But since Embiid left Curry's shoe company I'm not thinking it's too realistic anymore.  

Could have kept Butler or drafted Ingram instead of Simmons and not had all this nonsense. 

11 minutes ago, eggs said:

Could have kept Butler or drafted Ingram instead of Simmons and not had all this nonsense. 

Or not trading up for Fultz. Simmons as the right pick but they should have move him two years earlier. 

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Out of curiosity have you workshopped Colin Kaepernick in the same way?  Both used the media to get their views to a larger audience, both expressed views that challenged many other's "world view", both have been vilified in one way or another.  Very similar trajectory, though different hot button "sociopolitical" topics.

Slight difference. Kaepernick proved he lacked the football IQ to become a "real" QB (compare to say Vick), and when the league caught up, he became a backup - had he become a real starting QB, he'd still have a job.

Rodgers was a top starting QB for a while, though the last few years he's been clearly washed up, only the Jets would be desperate enough to anoint him as a savior.

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Prime example of RAS being an inconsistent indicator. If Davis doesn’t really step it up this year he will be a bust unfortunately.

Davis was top 1/4,  Milton Williams top 1/4,  Carter top 5%.   Top 1/4 is good. 

18 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Prime example of RAS being an inconsistent indicator. If Davis doesn’t really step it up this year he will be a bust unfortunately.

What kind of production are you expecting for him to not be considered a bust in your mind?

Fletcher Cox, for example, played 600 snaps in 2017 and made the Pro Bowl. He had 5.5 sacks, 26 tackles, 5 tackles for a loss and 17 qb hits. Would these numbers be okay for you? 

Just now, jsb235 said:

What kind of production are you expecting for him to not be considered a bust in your mind?

Fletcher Cox, for example, played 600 snaps in 2017 and made the Pro Bowl. He had 5.5 sacks, 26 tackles, 5 tackles for a loss and 17 qb hits. Would these numbers be okay for you? 

I'd be thrilled if Davis ever comes close these numbers, but he won't.  Different athletes.

31 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Prime example of RAS being an inconsistent indicator. If Davis doesn’t really step it up this year he will be a bust unfortunately.

Bust is way too harsh.  He hasn't consistently performed where we hope he'd be.  Has had some stretches but trailed off. If he stays the same he'd be a disappointing pick but not bust

38 minutes ago, RLC said:

Putting Rodgers' awful takes aside, this point is just wrong. Green Bay's front office, players and coaches were thrilled that he left. 

Rodgers is a fantastic player, but that doesn't make him a great teammate. It's fine when you're winning. Not as good when you're losing. 

Yeah I didn't care enough to research but my impression hasn't been that all his teammates love him.

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

What kind of production are you expecting for him to not be considered a bust in your mind?

Fletcher Cox, for example, played 600 snaps in 2017 and made the Pro Bowl. He had 5.5 sacks, 26 tackles, 5 tackles for a loss and 17 qb hits. Would these numbers be okay for you? 

Poe's two best seasons at 23-24

976 snaps, 51 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 7 QB hits

946 snaps, 45 tackles, 6.0 sacks, 8 hits

next 3 seasons, 787 snaps, 37 tackles, 1.7 sacks, 7 QB hits

Davis 519 snaps, 45 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 7 QB hits at 23.

Not sure Davis' limited snaps were so much stamina as packages, Eagles rotated Cox, Carter and Williams at DT (and sometimes Graham) in 4-2-5 formations.

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Or not trading up for Fultz. Simmons as the right pick but they should have move him two years earlier. 

Yeah, the trade up for Fultz was awful.  Tatum and Ball would have gone 1-2 no matter what.  Neither Boston nor LA were gonna take Fultz. 

45 minutes ago, RLC said:

Putting Rodgers' awful takes aside, this point is just wrong. Green Bay's front office, players and coaches were thrilled that he left. 

Rodgers is a fantastic player, but that doesn't make him a great teammate. It's fine when you're winning. Not as good when you're losing. 

Were players thrilled that he was gone? I've never seen one player bash him. At least not publicly. Even after he left GB, all I've ever seen was his teammates defend him and call him a great guy. But my point was mainly about him as a person and not a football player. Many people claim he's a "bad guy" or dislike him personally, and I'm arguing he's done nothing to earn that type of demonization. Not on a personal level.

36 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Out of curiosity have you workshopped Colin Kaepernick in the same way?  Both used the media to get their views to a larger audience, both expressed views that challenged many other's "world view", both have been vilified in one way or another.  Very similar trajectory, though different hot button "sociopolitical" topics.

I think Kaepernick is a nut, but yes, people who dislike him only dislike him because of his views. I can't say that he is a bad guy and I've never called him a bad person even if I think he has pretty bad views on many things. I really don't care about Kaepernick one way or the other.

24 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

What kind of production are you expecting for him to not be considered a bust in your mind?

Fletcher Cox, for example, played 600 snaps in 2017 and made the Pro Bowl. He had 5.5 sacks, 26 tackles, 5 tackles for a loss and 17 qb hits. Would these numbers be okay for you? 

Like others have said I’d be thrilled with that production. I didn’t say he’s a bust right now - I would consider him one after this year if all remains the same. Maybe bust is too harsh and to be fair I was never a big fan of the pick. I took others words and was expecting big things. I guess a huge disappointment would be a better characterization.

Davis needs to get in shape and stay that way because he’s going to need to play more than 25 snaps a game with Cox gone now to even come close to being worth a 1st rounder, especially one we traded up for. His production and impact can be found on day 3 in most drafts. I wonder how much he got fined for being overweight.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think Kaepernick is a nut, but yes, people who dislike him only dislike him because of his views. I can't say that he is a bad guy and I've never called him a bad person even if I think he has pretty bad views on many things. I really don't care about Kaepernick one way or the other.

Exactly.  Just substitute Rodgers for Kap in your statement above and you understand why Rodgers has taken some flak from people while being defended by others.

55 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Prime example of RAS being an inconsistent indicator. If Davis doesn’t really step it up this year he will be a bust unfortunately.

If he plays like last year for most of his career.  I think that would be a good player.  I'm guessing you meant you want more out of the 14th pick . Which I would agree. 

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

Like others have said I’d be thrilled with that production. I didn’t say he’s a bust right now - I would consider him one after this year if all remains the same. Maybe bust is too harsh and to be fair I was never a big fan of the pick. I took others words and was expecting big things. I guess a huge disappointment would be a better characterization.

It just seems a little strange that your view of a player swings from hugely disappointed to thrilled if he has two more sacks, three more TFLs and a handful more qb hits. There just doesn't seem to be much margin for error there. 

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Exactly.  Just substitute Rodgers for Kap in your statement above and you understand why Rodgers has taken some flak from people while being defended by others.

The difference is I don't hate Kaepernick, nor did I call him a bad guy. Many people flat out loathe Rodgers and call him a bad guy. And my argument is it is misguided. Just like it would be to call Kaepernick a bad guy or hate him.

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It just seems a little strange that your view of a player swings from hugely disappointed to thrilled if he has two more sacks, three more TFLs and a handful more qb hits. There just doesn't seem to be much margin for error there. 

Cox was fantastic in 2017. Stats aside I’d be thrilled with the level of impact that Cox had that year. Stats are somewhat misleading with DTs. The eye test showed Cox as a dominant force in 2017 and Davis as a ghost the 2nd half of last season. He self admittedly fell off a cliff. I think there was a stretch of games where Davis played well but then he completely wore down. Cox was consistent all year in 2017.

18 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

If he plays like last year for most of his career.  I think that would be a good player.  I'm guessing you meant you want more out of the 14th pick . Which I would agree. 

Yes to the last 2 sentences

I think Carter would thrive in many systems. I think Davis really needs to be used correctly and the right number of snaps. 

9 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Cox was fantastic in 2017. Stats aside I’d be thrilled with the level of impact that Cox had that year. Stats are somewhat misleading with DTs. The eye test showed Cox as a dominant force in 2017 and Davis as a ghost the 2nd half of last season. He self admittedly fell off a cliff. I think there was a stretch of games where Davis played well but then he completely wore down. Cox was consistent all year in 2017.

Cox was in his sixth season. Cox's numbers for his second season, in light of the number of snaps he played, are really bad compared to Davis'. And yes, Davis' numbers went down in terms of sacks and qb hits in the second half of the season, but his tackles per game number was consistent, so his "falling off a cliff" was only in one aspect of his game.

I also think it was good of Davis to admit his play wasn't up to his standards in the second half of last season. Now we know what he considers to be acceptable play - namely at a pro bowl level. But if he gets there, be prepared to get bummed out again when he signs a $120 million second contract.

  

DTs generally get going in year 3. So it's put up or shut up from Jordan Davis.

44 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The difference is I don't hate Kaepernick, nor did I call him a bad guy. Many people flat out loathe Rodgers and call him a bad guy. And my argument is it is misguided. Just like it would be to call Kaepernick a bad guy or hate him.

Yep, there are many people that can't tolerate opinions that don't align with their own.  In fact, it really pisses them off.  Seems like a narrow, crappy way to live a life.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Slight difference. Kaepernick proved he lacked the football IQ to become a "real" QB (compare to say Vick), and when the league caught up, he became a backup - had he become a real starting QB, he'd still have a job.

Rodgers was a top starting QB for a while, though the last few years he's been clearly washed up, only the Jets would be desperate enough to anoint him as a savior.

Speak the truth about Rodgers? How dare you!

59 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Carter would thrive in many systems. I think Davis really needs to be used correctly and the right number of snaps. 

I didn’t see a gap between him and linval Joseph