5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  I am adding that they are a part of the game, and teams have successfully used them in surprise situations as a part of the game strategy, not just last ditch efforts.   And the surprise ones, IIRC were successful more than half the time.   The desperation ones were always unsuccessful, because it wasn't a surprise and teams would put a special unit on the field with guys used to handling the ball... and were LOOKING for an onside kick, so they would have 10 guys right around the line to get the ball in order for the kicking team to recover.  On the flip side, the regular kick off return had a lot of LBs and DBs and sometimes even some OL or DL in various locations on the field, and would usually only have 5 or so guys near the 45 yard line.  And that teams taking advantage of that used to gain an edge.   The new rules eliminate even that possibility.  

There were only 2 successful onside kicks last season

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There were only 2 successful onside kicks last season

  Yes.  And you missed the point completely.  But, thanks for engaging.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

  Yes.  And you missed the point completely.  But, thanks for engaging.

Yup. Your argument was lost on me with only 2 successful onside kicks

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I haven’t really heard anything about Huff at all, besides Fangio saying he can’t handle being a 3 down player yet. 

He really needs to be who we hope or our pass rush is in trouble

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Yup. Your argument was lost on me with only 2 successful onside kicks

That's because you focused on only a single year of data.  The rules have been changed and tweaked over the years and this is just the latest domino to fall for the elimination of onside kicks.  

The rule change forcing kicking teams to be stationary until the ball is kicked was a massive shift in the numbers.  Before that, success rates ran around 1/4 of the time for all onside kicks and were highly successful in surprise situations, as I mentioned before.  But, the rule in 2020 (or was it 2019) eliminating the running start was a massive change that dramatically changed success rates.  My lament is that the rules have changed again and made it even more unlikely to get a successful attempt.   It is good news for teams in the lead, it is horrible news for teams trying to come from behind.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's because you focused on only a single year of data.  The rules have been changed and tweaked over the years and this is just the latest domino to fall for the elimination of onside kicks.  

The rule change forcing kicking teams to be stationary until the ball is kicked was a massive shift in the numbers.  Before that, success rates ran around 1/4 of the time for all onside kicks and were highly successful in surprise situations, as I mentioned before.  But, the rule in 2020 (or was it 2019) eliminating the running start was a massive change that dramatically changed success rates.  My lament is that the rules have changed again and made it even more unlikely to get a successful attempt.   It is good news for teams in the lead, it is horrible news for teams trying to come from behind.

2022 had 3 successful onside kicks. I already said the previous rule change a few years ago effectively made them useless. You're arguing a point I've already mentioned while basically agreeing that they're useless now lol

Doesn't matter if Huff isn't a 3 down player, he's a proven pass rusher.

You play 50+% of snaps in nickel/dime formations.

36 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

He really needs to be who we hope or our pass rush is in trouble

Or Smith steps up, or we get improvement from the DTs.

Going to try and get ATNFL subforum more active this season. Made a thread for the hall of fame game with a poll

There were some posts about Huff having good reps against Lane earlier this off-season for those asking. Doesn't mean much at this stage but he hasn't been totally MIA at least. 

5 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

2022 had 3 successful onside kicks. I already said the previous rule change a few years ago effectively made them useless. You're arguing a point I've already mentioned while basically agreeing that they're useless now lol

The original point wasn't even a point, but rather it was the lament of the changes that the NFL is making to the game I love.  And, now teams have to announce their intentions for an onside kick.   Now they are only allowed to do it if they are losing and they can only do it during the 4th quarter.    Useless or not, these types of authoritarian rules are not about the game, but are couched in the name of safety.   And then I cited two instances of game changing surprise onside kicks... one to start the second half in a Super Bowl, and one to start a game in the first game of a team's breakout season.

Would those two events have happened if the teams had to announce their intention to do it?  Absolutely not.   The onside kick was a strategic option that could be done to help teams tilt the competitive advantage in their favor.   The NFL has taken whatever teeth that the onside kick may have had left and completely removed it.   My lament is the entire slide in this direction that has taken place over the years.   I was against the changes 5 or 6 years ago... saying it was bad for the sport.  This is just the obvious end game, and soon it will be completely removed.  

Howie did a nice job rebuiliding the secondary:

CJGJ - FA

Blankenship - UDFA

Mitchell, DeJean, Ringo, 1st, 2nd, 4th rd

Rodgers - SFA

Just shows how you need to use every avenue to add talent.

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

There were some posts about Huff having good reps against Lane earlier this off-season for those asking. Doesn't mean much at this stage but he hasn't been totally MIA at least. 

To expand:

He's not beating Lane from what little info we have. But it's Lane. 

 

15 minutes ago, TEW said:

Or Smith steps up, or we get improvement from the DTs.

Need improvements from the DTs either way on top of production from Huff

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  I am adding that they are a part of the game, and teams have successfully used them in surprise situations as a part of the game strategy, not just last ditch efforts.   And the surprise ones, IIRC were successful more than half the time.   The desperation ones were always unsuccessful, because it wasn't a surprise and teams would put a special unit on the field with guys used to handling the ball... and were LOOKING for an onside kick, so they would have 10 guys right around the line to get the ball in order for the kicking team to recover.  On the flip side, the regular kick off return had a lot of LBs and DBs and sometimes even some OL or DL in various locations on the field, and would usually only have 5 or so guys near the 45 yard line.  And that teams taking advantage of that used to gain an edge.   The new rules eliminate even that possibility.  

NFL has been trying to greatly discourage onside kicks for years.  Many of the rules designed against the use.  So basically outlaw it from the surprise kick perspective and make it just about impossible from a desperation perspective.  Yet for whatever reason they keep rejecting the fourth and long option proposed by the Eagles.  Frankly, I like the Eagles alternative.  Could make for some real fun plays in tight games.  Better than surprise on sides kicks. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

 

 

A RB Touchdown carry in the red zone 

 

Beats Twitter posts have changed this year, except ESP.  BLG trying to draw folks the the site with live updates posted there.  Main media plus the digital magazines drawing to their sites for practice summaries.  Less live tweets from practice.  Makes great sense because it draws folks to their sites where they sell the ads instead of to Twitter where Elon gets the ad revenue.  

watching Ilona Maher in rugby.  Runs better through contact than a lot of RBs.

Eagles rookie RB Will Shipley getting first-team reps in camp

Eagles rookie running back Will Shipley has seen first-team reps in training camp according to Brandon Lee Gowton of Bleeding Green.

It was reported Tuesday that Shipley was working with the first-team offense in the red zone. Eagles beat writers have said the rookie has shown explosiveness and pass-catching chops during training camp, and worked as the team’s lead back when Barkley was held out of practice on Monday.

Shipley, who had 1,182 rushing yards and 15 scores at Clemson in 2022, could start the season as Philly’s No. 2 backfield option, and might see lead back duties should the 27-year-old Barkley miss time in 2024.

4 minutes ago, pangbun said:

Eagles rookie RB Will Shipley getting first-team reps in camp

Eagles rookie running back Will Shipley has seen first-team reps in training camp according to Brandon Lee Gowton of Bleeding Green.

It was reported Tuesday that Shipley was working with the first-team offense in the red zone. Eagles beat writers have said the rookie has shown explosiveness and pass-catching chops during training camp, and worked as the team’s lead back when Barkley was held out of practice on Monday.

Shipley, who had 1,182 rushing yards and 15 scores at Clemson in 2022, could start the season as Philly’s No. 2 backfield option, and might see lead back duties should the 27-year-old Barkley miss time in 2024.

Read he had some good catches yesterday. A wheel route for a good gain, and then he high pointed a pass like a WR too. 

If it means less Gainwell, I'm all for Shipley getting more touches 

Apparently Uzomah hasn't looked great so far. TE2 is an area the Eagles kinda neglected. Calcaterra might be the favorite for the job which is underwhelming.

There is nothing wrong with Gainwell in a backup role, he does everything decently, he just lacks the talent to be a starter.

Hearing on the radio how New York fans rook over the Phillies ball park last night.