Fangio uses a 3-4 as his base defense, but also rolls out 4-2-5 and 2-4-5 looks.

I'm happy with Davis playing 500-600 snaps as a NT if he can dominate the middle of the LOS and keep the ILBs clean. That allows them to go "light" at times and make it harder to pass out of 3 WR formations. To me, stopping the run by occupying two blockers and not letting one slide off to the second level has great value.

34 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Has it been confirmed that they’re switching to a 34? I’ve only heard they will use multiple fronts including but not limited to 34

I have no idea why so many people keep matter of factly stating we are playing a 3-4.... It will be multiple just like its been under the last two DCs.

Unlikley to see much if any base 3-4. Thats mostly out of the NFL at this point.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Fangio uses a 3-4 as his base defense, but also rolls out 4-2-5 and 2-4-5 looks.

I'm happy with Davis playing 500-600 snaps as a NT if he can dominate the middle of the LOS and keep the ILBs clean. That allows them to go "light" at times and make it harder to pass out of 3 WR formations. To me, stopping the run by occupying two blockers and not letting one slide off to the second level has great value.

Yup, if one can stop the run with 4 in the box that allows a lot more freedom on the backend.

Im not too worried about the D line or even the secondary now, its the second level that could still be a problem, mainly off ball LB

I like the idea of White but not too sure.

Ive never liked Dean and all hes shown so far is hes made of glass.

VanSumeran good size good athlete limited experience, burks is JAG, Trotter just a rook and an undersized one at that. Theres just not 1 ILB on the roster that im confident will be any good🤷‍♂️

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I have no idea why so many people keep matter of factly stating we are playing a 3-4.... It will be multiple just like its been under the last two DCs.

Unlikley to see much if any base 3-4. Thats mostly out of the NFL at this point.

3-4 fronts would include 3-3-5, 2-4-5 and base 3-4 rather than lining up with 4 man fronts like 4-2-5, 4-1-6 etc...

I think it basically comes down to roster construction and how many DL vs LBs they keep which can be inauspicious as well as they will be simply listed as edge defenders .

No one would suggest the steelers are no longer a 34 team because they dont often run base 34 fronts, they are still a 34 team.

We'll see how it shakes out but Vic is known as a 34 coach 

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

3-4 fronts would include 3-3-5, 2-4-5 and base 3-4 rather than lining up with 4 man fronts like 4-2-5, 4-1-6 etc...

I think it basically comes down to roster construction and how many DL vs LBs they keep which can be inauspicious as well as they will be simply listed as edge defenders .

No one would suggest the steelers are no longer a 34 team because they dont often run base 34 fronts, they are still a 34 team.

We'll see how it shakes out but Vic is known as a 34 coach 

3-5 fronts are just that. Eveyrthing else is something else.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

3-5 fronts are just that. Eveyrthing else is something else.

3-5 fronts are just what?

26 minutes ago, Utebird said:

3-5 fronts are just what?

I meant to say 3-4 fronts... are 3-4 fronts. Every other front is a different front.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

And since then eagles have switched to a 34, being a pass rusher at NT in a 34 isnt really conducive to pass rushing.

But if he can consistently collapse the pocket and allow others to get to the qb that has tremendous value.

The GM set the standard. It might be unfair to Davis but if they had a plan for him and then shifted his role to something else 2 years in, it was a bad process. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The GM set the standard. It might be unfair to Davis but if they had a plan for him and then shifted his role to something else 2 years in, it was a bad process. 

He’s on his 3rd DC so there’s that.

in any case I personally don’t harp on trades and who else was there 2 years later. He was a pick in the 10-20 range so my expectations are based on that. Hope he steps it up this season

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I meant to say 3-4 fronts... are 3-4 fronts. Every other front is a different front.

It’s a 3-4 front but with an extra guy on the line and one less LB

Davis was drafted to be an elite run defender who could eventually develop as a pass rusher. He’s been merely a pretty good run defender who does little to nothing in the pass game. 

It’s fair to call him a disappointment to this this point. That doesn’t make him a bust.

I don’t think the changes in DCs should factor in at all. Davis’ role has and will remain the same. Gannon, Desai, Fangio aren’t all that different in how they will deploy him. 

Davis was a very good run defender at the beginning of each of his first two seasons, before he wore down.

But as a pass-rusher, my issue is that he's not even a pocket pusher. He's strong enough to do that! If he figures that out, he's a valuable asset.

Davis did have one of my favorite plays of 2023

A 350lb DT did that in overtime after playing 62 snaps! That's absurd.

Harper!

Bryce Harper is a GOD! 

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I meant to say 3-4 fronts... are 3-4 fronts. Every other front is a different front.

Not exactly.

A 3-3-5 has 3 lineman, which would be in the 34 family, where as a 4-2-5 has 4 lineman so would be in the 43 family.

Like i said it really comes down to how ones roster is constructed 

If one goes heavy in DL then one is going to probably play more 4 man fronts, if one goes heavy on LBs then is going to play more 3 man fronts.

Traditionally vic has been a 3 man front guy.

Which will also dictate the type of DL  on the roster, 2 gappers or 1 gappers? same with OLBs are they pass rushers or cover guys?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not exactly.

A 3-3-5 has 3 lineman, which would be in the 34 family, where as a 4-2-5 has 4 lineman so would be in the 43 family.

Like i said it really comes down to how ones roster is constructed 

If one goes heavy in DL then one is going to probably play more 4 man fronts, if one goes heavy on LBs then is going to play more 3 man fronts.

Traditionally vic has been a 3 man front guy.

Which will also dictate the type of DL  on the roster, 2 gappers or 1 gappers? same with OLBs are they pass rushers or cover guys?

 

 

What happens when one of the LBs in the 3-3-5 is actually a DE like Sweat? Then its more of a 4-3. You cant just pretend we are playing a 3-4 when its really various hybrid fronts. Its not a 3-4. The numbers 3-4, or 3-3-5 tell you they are different. 3-4 is 3-4. 3-3-5 is different. 2-4-5 is different. etc. They are all their own thing, and we will see very little, if any traditional, base 3-4 looks.

Stott!

Phillies have been playing great. Excited for the inevitable disappointment.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Phillies have been playing great. Excited for the inevitable disappointment.

yeah. seems like fools gold. They pretty much kept the same team so hard to believe they are suddenly the best team in baseball and the same weaknesses wont creep up and bite them again.

Maybe record-wise they should have been here last year too. No reason they should have had such a slow start last year. 

But itll be the same end in the post-season most likely regardless of record. Very 6ers-like.

Let's take a look at LB. After listening to a lot of post-draft podcasts, there seems to be a common thought that Trotter too small to be an every down LB, but he still has a chance. In the same breath, they say Devin White brings size so he has to be locked in at LB1. Trotter is 6' 228. Devin White is 6' 235. I think the Trotter is too small argument is invalid anymore. 

I know being a leading tackler isn't always a metric to measure success (Alex Singleton, but let's look at the top tacklers last year. 

16 out of the top 20 solo tacklers last year were LB. 11 of them are in the same range as Trotter. Then you look at TJ Edwards. When he came in to the league, he was 230 LBs. There's no reason Trotter can't come in here and win one of the starting jobs. 

Zaire Franklin- 6' 235, Bobby Wagner- 6' 242, Quincy Williams- 5'11" 225, Bobby Okereke- 6'1" 235, TJ Edwards- 6'1" 242, Lavonte David- 6'1" 235, Azeez Al-Shaair- 6'2" 228, Terrel Bernard- 6'1" 224, Patrick Queen- 6' 230, Roquan Smith- 6'1" 235, Robert Spillane- 6'1" 229

 

1	Foyesade Oluokun	JAX	28	LB	17	17	1	24	1	24	6	1	0	3	0	0	2.5	173	111	62	8	10
2	Zaire Franklin	IND	27	LB	16	16	0	0	0	0	6	2	0	0	0	0	1.5	179	107	72	3	3
3	Alex Singleton	DEN	30	LB	17	16	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	2	0	0	2.0	177	106	71	6	6
4	Bobby Wagner*	SEA	33	LB	17	16	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	0	0	3.5	183	96	87	11	6
5	Quincy Williams+	NYJ	27	LB	17	16	1	11	0	11	10	2	0	1	0	0	2.0	139	95	44	15	4
6	Camryn Bynum	MIN	25	S	17	17	2	0	0	0	9	3	0	0	0	0	0.5	137	94	43	2	1
7	Bobby Okereke	NYG	27	LB	17	17	2	62	0	55	10	4	0	0	0	0	2.5	149	92	57	11	6
8	T.J. Edwards	CHI	27	LB	17	17	3	4	0	2	7	1	0	2	0	0	2.5	155	91	64	8	8
9	Jessie Bates III*	ATL	26	S	17	17	6	95	1	92	11	3	0	0	0	0	0.0	132	89	43	3	1
10	Lavonte David	TAM	33	LB	15	15	0	0	0	0	5	1	0	0	0	0	4.5	134	86	48	17	5
11	Derwin James	LAC	27	S	16	16	1	6	0	6	7	0	0	2	0	0	2.0	125	86	39	5	4
12	Alex Anzalone	DET	29	LB	16	16	0	0	0	0	6	0	0	1	0	0	3.0	129	85	44	7	12
13	Julian Love*	SEA	25	S	17	12	4	7	0	7	10	2	0	1	3	0	0.0	123	85	38	1	0
14	Azeez Al-Shaair	TEN	26	LILB	17	17	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	1	0	0	2.0	163	84	79	9	6
15	Terrel Bernard	BUF	24	LB	17	17	3	2	0	2	5	0	0	3	-1	0	6.5	143	84	59	10	9
16	Patrick Queen*	BAL	24	LB	17	17	1	21	0	21	6	1	0	1	0	0	3.5	133	84	49	9	6
17	Roquan Smith*+	BAL	26	LB	16	16	1	30	0	30	8	1	0	0	0	0	1.5	158	84	74	5	5
18	Kaden Elliss	ATL	28	LB	17	17	0	0	0	0	3					0	4.0	122	82	40	11	6
19	Robert Spillane	LVR	28	LB	17	17	3	53	0	25	4	1	0	1	0	0	3.5	148	82	66	7	4
20	Fred Warner*+	SFO	27	LB	17	17	4

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Phillies have been playing great. Excited for the inevitable disappointment.

A new meme is born. I hope this is real

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. seems like fools gold. They pretty much kept the same team so hard to believe they are suddenly the best team in baseball and the same weaknesses wont creep up and bite them again.

Maybe record-wise they should have been here last year too. No reason they should have had such a slow start last year. 

But itll be the same end in the post-season most likely regardless of record. Very 6ers-like.

Most are probably way smarter about baseball than me. The Phillies are a fun team to root for and when they are playing good, it’s fun to watch. But the bats have been just so inexplicably hot and cold I’m not even sure what you do to fix that. Just gotta hope they get hot at the right time and somehow sustain that throughout October. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A new meme is born. I hope this is real

 

It’s real. And also a few years old.