3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

In this team, no. With a QB that likes to run, with a Franchise RB, 2 x Franchise WRs and 1 Franchise TE, I think they view the position as something along the lines of, we'd like a good WR3, but in terms of cost, etc, we'd rather spend resources elsewhere. If one we like falls to us, great, but we'll get by otherwise with what we can find.  Let's throw a lot of mud at the wall and hope some of it sticks.

WR3 is a misnomer.  Nick referred to it as WR3 by committee.   Now someone needs to be next up.  Watkins was the one when AJ wasn’t available.  I suspect Campbell is better.  I throw out the giants’ year for him.  He was a second rounder who has been a disappointment mainly due to injury.  Still has speed and suggestion is his route running is better.  

Also Howie invited Ross to tryout and word is he still has his speed.  Covey may be coming into his own as a WR. Wilson had some drops in college but also some phenomenal catches. Real quick for 6’6”. Great body control and unreal wingspan.  A. Smith is a couple months healed from a shin stress fracture.  Most people don’t immediately recover from a broken leg.   Now I am worried the shin came from the bad ankle injury he had in college and that he may be a bit slower and not as quick as pre injury (A&M moved him from RB to WR to cut down on the cutting a RB does.). He’s a gamble because of that but running a 6.86 3 cone in April while still injured is reassuring and he definitely was faster than 4.55 in the 40 at A&M.  

But Wilson and A. Smith are rookies.  Smith missed most of the OTAs and is a week into TC.  Not worried about #3 at this point. 

 Note when Nick mentioned WR3 by committee, he first mentioned Campbell, then Wilson, then Covey so those are the current leaders.  #4 mention was A Smith.  Don’t recall him mentioning Ross but Ross has been getting reps with the ones. 

Watkins competition last summer was Covey, Ngata, and Ward.   His speed won’t be missed if Campbell and/or Ross make the team as both are faster.  They plus A. Smith, Wilson and Covey with the benefit of motion, are better than what the Eagles had last year in camp plus Ngata has another year and there is competition there with Watkins and Harris. (Shaq Davis has wheels but not great hands.  Hebert’s problem is he is a WR in a FBs body but doesn’t really project as an HBack).   

Not concerned.  Beats can’t even spot a defense orientation in practice.  

32 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

WR3 is a misnomer.  Nick referred to it as WR3 by committee.   Now someone needs to be next up.  Watkins was the one when AJ wasn’t available.  I suspect Campbell is better.  I throw out the giants’ year for him.  He was a second rounder who has been a disappointment mainly due to injury.  Still has speed and suggestion is his route running is better.  

Also Howie invited Ross to tryout and word is he still has his speed.  Covey may be coming into his own as a WR. Wilson had some drops in college but also some phenomenal catches. Real quick for 6’6”. Great body control and unreal wingspan.  A. Smith is a couple months healed from a shin stress fracture.  Most people don’t immediately recover from a broken leg.   Now I am worried the shin came from the bad ankle injury he had in college and that he may be a bit slower and not as quick as pre injury (A&M moved him from RB to WR to cut down on the cutting a RB does.). He’s a gamble because of that but running a 6.86 3 cone in April while still injured is reassuring and he definitely was faster than 4.55 in the 40 at A&M.  

But Wilson and A. Smith are rookies.  Smith missed most of the OTAs and is a week into TC.  Not worried about #3 at this point. 

 Note when Nick mentioned WR3 by committee, he first mentioned Campbell, then Wilson, then Covey so those are the current leaders.  #4 mention was A Smith.  Don’t recall him mentioning Ross but Ross has been getting reps with the ones. 

Watkins competition last summer was Covey, Ngata, and Ward.   His speed won’t be missed if Campbell and/or Ross make the team as both are faster.  They plus A. Smith, Wilson and Covey with the benefit of motion, are better than what the Eagles had last year in camp plus Ngata has another year and there is competition there with Watkins and Harris. (Shaq Davis has wheels but not great hands.  Hebert’s problem is he is a WR in a FBs body but doesn’t really project as an HBack).   

Not concerned.  Beats can’t even spot a defense orientation in practice.  

My guess is that Smith goes to IR, Ross is the ps vet who gets called up in case of injury, and the team rolls with Smith, AJ, Campbell, Covey and Wilson. 

Each guy has a role. Campbell is the experienced guy who Hurts trusts who will likely play the majority of the snaps early in the season (along with Calcaterra.) Covey gets in the mix as a change up in the slot (apparently having a real nice camp and getting open consistently.) Wilson is the guy who can play inside and outside, which is a key part of Moore's offense as he likes to move his wrs around.

One interesting thing mentioned on a podcast is that the Eagles are consistently playing two deep safeties, and by deep, the phrase used was "in the parking lot." The result has been a lot of short passes and no interceptions, but also very few deep balls. Not sure this is great because opposing teams seem to play us the complete opposite, namely loading up the box, bringing pressure and making Hurts throw over the coverage. It also means our LBs are going to be put in tough spots, which isn't ideal, but Fangio is also really good at scheming unblocked pressures, which mitigates that somewhat.   

Best presser of TC so far for me was Maddox.  He was asked about transitioning to S and how it was easier for him because of how his feet are moving as a nickel and his reads are, especially for the run, more similar to a S than the OCBs.  I think the nickel is in flux and will be a nickel/3rd S position. 

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

My guess is that Smith goes to IR, Ross is the ps vet who gets called up in case of injury, and the team rolls with Smith, AJ, Campbell, Covey and Wilson. 

Each guy has a role. Campbell is the experienced guy who Hurts trusts who will likely play the majority of the snaps early in the season (along with Calcaterra.) Covey gets in the mix as a change up in the slot (apparently having a real nice camp and getting open consistently.) Wilson is the guy who can play inside and outside, which is a key part of Moore's offense as he likes to move his wrs around.

One interesting thing mentioned on a podcast is that the Eagles are consistently playing two deep safeties, and by deep, the phrase used was "in the parking lot." The result has been a lot of short passes and no interceptions, but also very few deep balls. Not sure this is great because opposing teams seem to play us the complete opposite, namely loading up the box, bringing pressure and making Hurts throw over the coverage. It also means our LBs are going to be put in tough spots, which isn't ideal, but Fangio is also really good at scheming unblocked pressures, which mitigates that somewhat.   

Interchangeable Ss playing "high” so as to best disguise coverages.  Gone are SS and WS designation.   The reads are similar to the modified Cover 1 that Saban and Belichek (read that as Saban, who is a coverage mastermind).  Now  Fangio’s D runs more of a Cover 6 approach where as in Saban’s initial approach was the outsides in man and the downhill S were more in man (although really the downhill was playing more of a man match and most frequently the run.  The read was based on what side the offense was flooding. Fangio in contrast floods the zones based on the read of the offense.  The Ss need cover the downhill zone but there is a tad bit of man match.  Keep the play in front of the defense.  

I don’t believe the D dictates the O or vis versa in practice.  Rather there is focus on each play.  They are showing vanilla these first three weeks when the Beats are there (and why Jeff you should open TC up to the fans not just the Thursday exhibition). But it’s on this play we want to do this.  It’s not the D trying to call against the O but rather Nick having Moore request a certain D for a particular play he calls or having Fangio ask for a certain type O for his D to practice against. It’s Monday’s practice where the focus was clearly the rush. 

Kellen Moore PC notes:

• Hurts doing great, has command of the offense, shows leadership, good pre-snap reads
• Cam doing a great job at Center, doing well in open space on designed QB runs and scrambles as well
• Cam and Hurts calling line changes and audibles is a team effort, even other linemen contribute as they see different things
• Nick has stepped back from offense, Moore said "when he's available, he's hoppin in there" to contribute
• Wants to utilize core plays that worked well in the past and they are comfortable with but hide them in different presentations
• High praise for Saquon, will be utilized all over the field

 

Yuck

 

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Best presser of TC so far for me was Maddox.  He was asked about transitioning to S and how it was easier for him because of how his feet are moving as a nickel and his reads are, especially for the run, more similar to a S than the OCBs.  I think the nickel is in flux and will be a nickel/3rd S position. 

You can mix and match personnel, against a power back you might want Bradberry/DeJean in there as a "3rd safety", against a faster RB without size you might want Maddox's quickness and reads if you don't have to worry about him getting trucked. Same logic depending on the 3rd WR, Maddox on small quick guys, the other matched against big WRs.

Thank god TC is here bc the Phillies are killing the buzz

Can’t the media focus on the Olympic athletes and not stupid Jason Kelce and his stupid d-bag outfits. That’s probably where his head was at while the interior OLine was getting trounced at the end of last year. 
 

Multiple people who cover the team have been saying that Pickett takes an incredibly long time to get rid of the ball in practice and has been noticeably outperformed by McKee so far.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Multiple people who cover the team have been saying that Pickett takes an incredibly long time to get rid of the ball in practice and has been noticeably outperformed by McKee so far.

I've only heard positive things about him so far but that's not surprising

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Multiple people who cover the team have been saying that Pickett takes an incredibly long time to get rid of the ball in practice and has been noticeably outperformed by McKee so far.

Of course it takes him forever to get rid of the ball because it takes him forever to get a grip on it…he’s got tiny hands 

Kind of 

Watching Jerome Powell press conference.  Congressionally mandated roll for the Fed is governed by price stability and maximizing employment.  That’s it. But the impact of the Fed’s tools extend beyond that.  Watching the reporters as they struggle to get more out of Powell because of the impact beyond the Fed’s charge means a very educated press pool.  Enjoy watching his pressers (on right now).

Now for the "kind of”.   Beyond McLane and maybe Lawlor and interestingly, Johny Page of BGN, I am convinced that the majority of the Beats couldn’t tell Cover 2 from Cover 6.  Don’t understand what to look for in practice etc.  I doubt half of them can really spot technique refinement, a huge part of the basis behind coaching and practice.  I want Fed presser level of reporting and instead we get Random Regular level of reporting, mostly driven by Podcast drivel.  Maybe it is because Powell isn’t available for pressers once a month (although he is available more than that), and the Beats need daily content but what I would love is Powell presser level of questions. Got about 5% of that in the questions for Clay on the new kickoff rules but that’s about it.  Whereas at Powell’s pressers I get about 80%.  Do better beats. 

I believe this has to be the highest an Eagles player has slotted on the list in two consecutive years (3, 15) in the history of this NFL Top 100 list.  Also unless I'm missing someone this has him ranked as the 3rd best QB in the league behind Mahomes and Lamar after being ranked 2nd best QB in the league last year behind Mahomes.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Kind of 

Watching Jerome Powell press conference.  Congressionally mandated roll for the Fed is governed by price stability and maximizing employment.  That’s it. But the impact of the Fed’s tools extend beyond that.  Watching the reporters as they struggle to get more out of Powell because of the impact beyond the Fed’s charge means a very educated press pool.  Enjoy watching his pressers (on right now).

Now for the "kind of”.   Beyond McLane and maybe Lawlor and interestingly, Johny Page of BGN, I am convinced that the majority of the Beats couldn’t tell Cover 2 from Cover 6.  Don’t understand what to look for in practice etc.  I doubt half of them can really spot technique refinement, a huge part of the basis behind coaching and practice.  I want Fed presser level of reporting and instead we get Random Regular level of reporting, mostly driven by Podcast drivel.  Maybe it is because Powell isn’t available for pressers once a month (although he is available more than that), and the Beats need daily content but what I would love is Powell presser level of questions. Got about 5% of that in the questions for Clay on the new kickoff rules but that’s about it.  Whereas at Powell’s pressers I get about 80%.  Do better beats. 

Question: With Cover 6 against trips, the Cover 4 side of the field will be where the trips line up, right? Teams us trips not only to flood a zone and confuse defenses and set up natural rubs but also to force1 on 1 coverage to the other side. Am I right about this? Since Cover 6 converts to Cover 2 to the side of the single receiver, the Cover 2 adjustment of the safety to get over and provide deep help is a natural fit, right. And one more thing: does trips almost force Cover 6?

Am I making any sense at all?

6 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

running QBs are best

true

6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I guess his huge workload last year really took it out of him

He got paid well for being halfway out the door for a couple years

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

You can mix and match personnel, against a power back you might want Bradberry/DeJean in there as a "3rd safety", against a faster RB without size you might want Maddox's quickness and reads if you don't have to worry about him getting trucked. Same logic depending on the 3rd WR, Maddox on small quick guys, the other matched against big WRs.

I think Maddox’s PC demonstrated how a 5’9” 184 lb CB has thrived at both NCB and S.  He is obviously plugged into the details.  Nick must love that. 

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

WR3 is a misnomer.  Nick referred to it as WR3 by committee.   Now someone needs to be next up.  Watkins was the one when AJ wasn’t available.  I suspect Campbell is better.  I throw out the giants’ year for him.  He was a second rounder who has been a disappointment mainly due to injury.  Still has speed and suggestion is his route running is better.  

Also Howie invited Ross to tryout and word is he still has his speed.  Covey may be coming into his own as a WR. Wilson had some drops in college but also some phenomenal catches. Real quick for 6’6”. Great body control and unreal wingspan.  A. Smith is a couple months healed from a shin stress fracture.  Most people don’t immediately recover from a broken leg.   Now I am worried the shin came from the bad ankle injury he had in college and that he may be a bit slower and not as quick as pre injury (A&M moved him from RB to WR to cut down on the cutting a RB does.). He’s a gamble because of that but running a 6.86 3 cone in April while still injured is reassuring and he definitely was faster than 4.55 in the 40 at A&M.  

But Wilson and A. Smith are rookies.  Smith missed most of the OTAs and is a week into TC.  Not worried about #3 at this point. 

 Note when Nick mentioned WR3 by committee, he first mentioned Campbell, then Wilson, then Covey so those are the current leaders.  #4 mention was A Smith.  Don’t recall him mentioning Ross but Ross has been getting reps with the ones. 

Watkins competition last summer was Covey, Ngata, and Ward.   His speed won’t be missed if Campbell and/or Ross make the team as both are faster.  They plus A. Smith, Wilson and Covey with the benefit of motion, are better than what the Eagles had last year in camp plus Ngata has another year and there is competition there with Watkins and Harris. (Shaq Davis has wheels but not great hands.  Hebert’s problem is he is a WR in a FBs body but doesn’t really project as an HBack).   

Not concerned.  Beats can’t even spot a defense orientation in practice.  

That's it.  Its not spare parts but pieces to play a role on the O and in STs with low cap impact, but the caveat is very much getting the right pieces. This is where the FO has struggled.

Pre-season is going to be fascinating to see how the rookies get in vs the Vets.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've heard of both sickle cell and diabetes.   

I'm not sure what your confusion is about. 

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'm not sure what your confusion is about. 

Twas a joke...   you said we don't hear about sickle cell or diabetes... but I've heard of both of them....

 

 

NVM.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Kind of 

Watching Jerome Powell press conference.  Congressionally mandated roll for the Fed is governed by price stability and maximizing employment.  That’s it. But the impact of the Fed’s tools extend beyond that.  Watching the reporters as they struggle to get more out of Powell because of the impact beyond the Fed’s charge means a very educated press pool.  Enjoy watching his pressers (on right now).

Now for the "kind of”.   Beyond McLane and maybe Lawlor and interestingly, Johny Page of BGN, I am convinced that the majority of the Beats couldn’t tell Cover 2 from Cover 6.  Don’t understand what to look for in practice etc.  I doubt half of them can really spot technique refinement, a huge part of the basis behind coaching and practice.  I want Fed presser level of reporting and instead we get Random Regular level of reporting, mostly driven by Podcast drivel.  Maybe it is because Powell isn’t available for pressers once a month (although he is available more than that), and the Beats need daily content but what I would love is Powell presser level of questions. Got about 5% of that in the questions for Clay on the new kickoff rules but that’s about it.  Whereas at Powell’s pressers I get about 80%.  Do better beats. 

Do any of the Eagle beat reporters understand the concept of "money supply" and "open market operations?" 🤣

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Question: With Cover 6 against trips, the Cover 4 side of the field will be where the trips line up, right? Teams us trips not only to flood a zone and confuse defenses and set up natural rubs but also to force1 on 1 coverage to the other side. Am I right about this? Since Cover 6 converts to Cover 2 to the side of the single receiver, the Cover 2 adjustment of the safety to get over and provide deep help is a natural fit, right. And one more thing: does trips almost force Cover 6?

Am I making any sense at all?

Cover three can roll to trips as well.