Just now, Cochis_Calhoun said:

For the kajillionth time if the offense plays to it's potential and we make a deep playoff run, criticism of Sirianni would be asinine because he'll have made the playoffs with over 10 wins 3 years in a row with 3 different sets of coordinators, at that point if you're still worried about losing coordinators you're kidding yourself.

 

Preaching to the void, you don't understand just how much people dislike Sirianni. Or maybe you do. Lol.

I think the article was fair to Hurts.  I am guessing that Kelce and Cox were both sources for the article but it sounds like some current players were also sources.  We all saw that Hurts played too much hero ball.  I think it says a lot about him that he called Wink Martindale.  It also sounds like his ego got in the way of making better decisions.  Sirianni comes across as both a poor play caller and a feeble offensive mind.  It really may be that he was too scared of losing to make the changes in his offense needed to win.  I think the bigger question is whether he will stop being a chicken-s in big games.  

Howie and Lurie deserve a lot of credit for stepping in and trying to fix the issue.  It sounds like Hurts is willing to listen to Moore.  The question remains about whether Sirianni will be able to keep his worst instincts in check.  

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Gross

They need to ditch Eskin.  I would rather they put ESP on the sidelines.  

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am getting annoyed by these reports now always including who the agents were.  I know, that's the price of the scoop for these reporters, but as a fan, it matters not at all who the agent is.

It's how the reporters get the information and it matters to the agents and some extent other players.  

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

Sirianni should've been shtcanned. This article is damning.

Good point

8 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

For the kajillionth time if the offense plays to it's potential and we make a deep playoff run, criticism of Sirianni would be asinine because he'll have made the playoffs with over 10 wins 3 years in a row with 3 different sets of coordinators, at that point if you're still worried about losing coordinators you're kidding yourself.

 

Good counter-point 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

They need to ditch Eskin.  I would rather they put ESP on the sidelines.  

Woah woah woah..... let's not say things we can't take back.

 

Sure, the article was bad. But Brown, Mailata, Smith and Dickerson all signed big extensions. Would they be doing that for a dysfunctional team? The team got perhaps the two best coordinators in football. So players want to play here and coaches want to coach here. As compared to San Fran and Dallas, where they can't get their best players on the field? Or, as we saw in Hard Knocks, the Giants, which was basically four episodes of "reasons why the GM is getting fired."

When our biggest problem seems to be that we might be so good that our offensive coordinator might leave, that's a pretty good problem to have.

 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the article was fair to Hurts.  I am guessing that Kelce and Cox were both sources for the article but it sounds like some current players were also sources.  We all saw that Hurts played too much hero ball.  I think it says a lot about him that he called Wink Martindale.  It also sounds like his ego got in the way of making better decisions.  Sirianni comes across as both a poor play caller and a feeble offensive mind.  It really may be that he was too scared of losing to make the changes in his offense needed to win.  I think the bigger question is whether he will stop being a chicken-s in big games.  

Howie and Lurie deserve a lot of credit for stepping in and trying to fix the issue.  It sounds like Hurts is willing to listen to Moore.  The question remains about whether Sirianni will be able to keep his worst instincts in check.  

With the qualifier that I am sure there is another side to the story (and Brian Johnson was definitely a source as he came out looking great), my takeaway from the ESPN article is rather straightforward. Nick trusted Shane from their years together to be the play caller and run the offense, and it got them to a Super Bowl. He didn't have that same relationship with Brian, who had no history with Nick but a long history with Jalen. So Nick decided that without Shane, he needed to get more hands on with the offense again, and this rubbed Brian and Jalen the wrong way. Add on that Jalen wanted to prove he was worth the contract and Brian wanted to live up to his hot head coach label, and you had 3 people trying to prove themselves as opposed to collaborating. While the team was winning, everyone was still miserable due to the SB hangover and the feeling that nothing was the same as 2022. 

Once they started losing, Nick overreacted by firing Desai and taking even more control. Jalen pushed back (see Seattle debacle) and Brian checked out, and it just spiraled as three strong willed people butted heads. By the end of the year, Nick likely thought Brian and Jalen sabotaged his offense, while Jalen and Brian thought Nick was too stubborn. Jalen isn't going anywhere, so Brian was canned and Moore was brought in to run the offense and evolve things with real autonomy. 

Basically - Nick never trusted Brian because he didn't know him. After the season, Lurie and Howie made clear he needed to bring in someone to run the offense and step back, or he was following Brian out the door (basically the ultimatum they gave Doug). Nick acquiesced, apologized to the team, and kept his job. So far, things seem much better in 2024.

16 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Would have been funny to have our highest win percentage guy in team history and probably that for the foreseeable future canned.

But yikes, forgot just how much people hate Sirianni here for like no reason. I'll step away until this article blows over. Lol.

Especially when you look at the 2021 hiring cycle in totality:

 

Arthur Smith -- fired

Brandon Staley -- fired

Urban Meyer -- fired

Robert Saleh -- about to be fired

 

That leaves Sirianni and Dan Campbell as the best hires of that cycle, with Sirianni's detractors constantly whining he isn't an offensive architect -- and neither is Dan Campbell. 

20 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Would have been funny to have our highest win percentage guy in team history and probably that for the foreseeable future canned.

But yikes, forgot just how much people hate Sirianni here for like no reason. I'll step away until this article blows over. Lol.

This type of behavior is my reason but I can't speak for everyone else. Also, his offense STUNK.

Excellent

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Especially when you look at the 2021 hiring cycle in totality:

 

Arthur Smith -- fired

Brandon Staley -- fired

Urban Meyer -- fired

Robert Saleh -- about to be fired

 

That leaves Sirianni and Dan Campbell as the best hires of that cycle, with Sirianni's detractors constantly whining he isn't an offensive architect -- and neither is Dan Campbell. 

...Yeah that's a good point, especially when you consider one of the things said people wanted most was to pluck a coach (Ben Johnson iirc) from the other regime in question.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

Excellent

 

 

 

I wonder if they include George Pickens? Unload a supreme talent but a guy that's shown he's headed down Antonio Brown BLVD. 

Luries meddling knows no limits

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Luries meddling knows no limits

Did Lurie's first wife drive a beer cart?

55 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Keep the hate flowing.  You really have fallen down on the job. 

It should also be noted, he "broke the record" on a walk through day. 

Does anyone other than irrational Hurts homers get excited about a starting QB being able to go through walk through without an Int?

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It should also be noted, he "broke the record" on a walk through day. 

Does anyone other than irrational Hurts homers her excited about a starting QB being able to go through walk through without an Int?

I don't think the whole practice was a walkthrough. Just the opening session. It wasn't a padded practice, but they were going full speed in the regular portion.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

With the qualifier that I am sure there is another side to the story (and Brian Johnson was definitely a source as he came out looking great), my takeaway from the ESPN article is rather straightforward. Nick trusted Shane from their years together to be the play caller and run the offense, and it got them to a Super Bowl. He didn't have that same relationship with Brian, who had no history with Nick but a long history with Jalen. So Nick decided that without Shane, he needed to get more hands on with the offense again, and this rubbed Brian and Jalen the wrong way. Add on that Jalen wanted to prove he was worth the contract and Brian wanted to live up to his hot head coach label, and you had 3 people trying to prove themselves as opposed to collaborating. While the team was winning, everyone was still miserable due to the SB hangover and the feeling that nothing was the same as 2022. 

Once they started losing, Nick overreacted by firing Desai and taking even more control. Jalen pushed back (see Seattle debacle) and Brian checked out, and it just spiraled as three strong willed people butted heads. By the end of the year, Nick likely thought Brian and Jalen sabotaged his offense, while Jalen and Brian thought Nick was too stubborn. Jalen isn't going anywhere, so Brian was canned and Moore was brought in to run the offense and evolve things with real autonomy. 

Basically - Nick never trusted Brian because he didn't know him. After the season, Lurie and Howie made clear he needed to bring in someone to run the offense and step back, or he was following Brian out the door (basically the ultimatum they gave Doug). Nick acquiesced, apologized to the team, and kept his job. So far, things seem much better in 2024.

#vikasnotes , thank you.....It's like Cliff's Notes for ESPN!

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It should also be noted, he "broke the record" on a walk through day. 

Does anyone other than irrational Hurts homers get excited about a starting QB being able to go through walk through without an Int?

I think it says a lot that his teammates didn't stop practice to celebrate his achievement. 

Reminds me of the QB in Draft Day.

I'm gonna throw out a take, tell me if you disagree.

As good as some cuts of steak can be. Even if they are cooked perfect. Juicy, tender, melt in your mouth, etc. No cut of steak, no matter how high quality, tastes better than a top quality cheeseburger.

The grease, the melty gooey cheese, the way everything comes together, it's something that no steak can ever match, as good as some steaks are.

(I don't mean cheesesteak btw I mean a steak steak)

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Luries meddling knows no limits

Obviously because of this.

Trevor Lawrence lost golf clubs after refusing private jet despite $275M contract, Jaguars coach says (msn.com)

25 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

With the qualifier that I am sure there is another side to the story (and Brian Johnson was definitely a source as he came out looking great), my takeaway from the ESPN article is rather straightforward. Nick trusted Shane from their years together to be the play caller and run the offense, and it got them to a Super Bowl. He didn't have that same relationship with Brian, who had no history with Nick but a long history with Jalen. So Nick decided that without Shane, he needed to get more hands on with the offense again, and this rubbed Brian and Jalen the wrong way. Add on that Jalen wanted to prove he was worth the contract and Brian wanted to live up to his hot head coach label, and you had 3 people trying to prove themselves as opposed to collaborating. While the team was winning, everyone was still miserable due to the SB hangover and the feeling that nothing was the same as 2022. 

Once they started losing, Nick overreacted by firing Desai and taking even more control. Jalen pushed back (see Seattle debacle) and Brian checked out, and it just spiraled as three strong willed people butted heads. By the end of the year, Nick likely thought Brian and Jalen sabotaged his offense, while Jalen and Brian thought Nick was too stubborn. Jalen isn't going anywhere, so Brian was canned and Moore was brought in to run the offense and evolve things with real autonomy. 

Basically - Nick never trusted Brian because he didn't know him. After the season, Lurie and Howie made clear he needed to bring in someone to run the offense and step back, or he was following Brian out the door (basically the ultimatum they gave Doug). Nick acquiesced, apologized to the team, and kept his job. So far, things seem much better in 2024.

That sounds like a more reasonable take.

The fact that Johnson couldn't persuade Sirianni suggests he's either a poor communicator or simply didn't have a good argument to make.

Sirianni is obviously going to stick with what got them to the SB unless Johnson can make a good case for change.

And there was a personnel issue, the offense was built for Steichen's scheme, but Sanders wasn't a good pass blocker, they didn't have a 2nd TE or a 3rd WR who could catch, so the options were limited. This also reflects a SB hangover issue - it's hard for Howie to reshape the roster for the next set of coordinators when they get hired late.

29 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

With the qualifier that I am sure there is another side to the story (and Brian Johnson was definitely a source as he came out looking great), my takeaway from the ESPN article is rather straightforward. Nick trusted Shane from their years together to be the play caller and run the offense, and it got them to a Super Bowl. He didn't have that same relationship with Brian, who had no history with Nick but a long history with Jalen. So Nick decided that without Shane, he needed to get more hands on with the offense again, and this rubbed Brian and Jalen the wrong way. Add on that Jalen wanted to prove he was worth the contract and Brian wanted to live up to his hot head coach label, and you had 3 people trying to prove themselves as opposed to collaborating. While the team was winning, everyone was still miserable due to the SB hangover and the feeling that nothing was the same as 2022. 

Once they started losing, Nick overreacted by firing Desai and taking even more control. Jalen pushed back (see Seattle debacle) and Brian checked out, and it just spiraled as three strong willed people butted heads. By the end of the year, Nick likely thought Brian and Jalen sabotaged his offense, while Jalen and Brian thought Nick was too stubborn. Jalen isn't going anywhere, so Brian was canned and Moore was brought in to run the offense and evolve things with real autonomy. 

Basically - Nick never trusted Brian because he didn't know him. After the season, Lurie and Howie made clear he needed to bring in someone to run the offense and step back, or he was following Brian out the door (basically the ultimatum they gave Doug). Nick acquiesced, apologized to the team, and kept his job. So far, things seem much better in 2024.

Good summary…pretty much how I see it