24 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It should also be noted, he "broke the record" on a walk through day. 

Does anyone other than irrational Hurts homers get excited about a starting QB being able to go through walk through without an Int?

 

Well it certainly doesn't reach the impressiveness of rookie OTA highlights that you got excited about with Carson Strong.

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

How dare they forget to reference his 158 practice throws without an INT 😡

Feel like I may have missed a post or two in here. What ESPN article are y’all referring to?

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Feel like I may have missed a post or two in here. What ESPN article are y’all referring to?

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40735599/philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-nick-sirianni-disconnect

 

28 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm gonna throw out a take, tell me if you disagree.

As good as some cuts of steak can be. Even if they are cooked perfect. Juicy, tender, melt in your mouth, etc. No cut of steak, no matter how high quality, tastes better than a top quality cheeseburger.

The grease, the melty gooey cheese, the way everything comes together, it's something that no steak can ever match, as good as some steaks are.

(I don't mean cheesesteak btw I mean a steak steak)

Disagree. With laughter at the suggestion.

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Lamar in the playoffs.

Lamar in the playoffs - the Ravens win until Lamar throws a pass in the end zone to the TE in the 4th Q when the TE is either triple covered or quadruple covered and the pass is intercepted.    Happened last year, and the last time before that where Lamar was in the playoffs.  Against the Bills,  the pass to Andrews was intercepted in the end zone and ran back 100 yards for a Bills TD. 

If the Ravens could just tell Lamar not to throw a pass to the TE in the end zone,  in the 4th Q,  when the TE is covered by many,  the Ravens would win.   Generally, the Ravens win when they run a lot and lose when they don't. 

36 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm gonna throw out a take, tell me if you disagree.

As good as some cuts of steak can be. Even if they are cooked perfect. Juicy, tender, melt in your mouth, etc. No cut of steak, no matter how high quality, tastes better than a top quality cheeseburger.

The grease, the melty gooey cheese, the way everything comes together, it's something that no steak can ever match, as good as some steaks are.

(I don't mean cheesesteak btw I mean a steak steak)

I disagree.

Can I go now?

My take on Becton/Steen...

I don't think the coaches are necessarily "down" on Steen.  They believe (as do I) that Becton should be the better player.  So they are giving him the opportunity to become a quality RG.

If Becton pans out we either a) sign him to a deal as a RG and possible RT of the future or b) he signs elsewhere and we get comp pick capital.  This would be a win for the franchise and shouldn't indict the drafting of Steen. 

You'd have to think this is pretty telling for roster status considering the amount of work it's taking to get the new KOR rules down and to be a well oiled machine. Safe to say this lineup is comprised of roster locks.

Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Mitchell, Maddox, DeJean. 5 roster lock CBs IMO.

They love Josh Jobe. He's their top CB ST player and might earn a roster spot in the way that Chris Maragos used to. He can provide decent backup, but he's here to be ST leader.

Tyler Hall was brought in to challenge Maddox but with Mitchell cross training and playing a lot of DB5 right now, I didn't have him on the roster. 

That's 7 CB, which is heavy but with the talent in the room, you go heavy. 

Eli Ricks could be trade bait. Zech McPhearson is probably cut with the hopes he clears waivers but he gets claimed. Shon Stephens is destined for PS.  Parry Nickerson (who?) see ya.

At safety you've got Blankenship and CJGJ as your roster locks. James Bradberry is safety 3 for the time being. Sidney Brown is still on PUP. 

They like Tristin McCollum, so this makes sense. Right now he's safety 4.

Andre' Sam and Mekhi Garner are battling for PS.

Patrick Johnson is going to make this team. There have been some reports of him looking really explosive and another talked about him dropping his body fat % while adding 7 lbs of muscle. Jalyx Hunt is going to have a role on ST and D. BVS is their top ST LB.

 

 

There were lots of rumblings that the Eagles' true target in RD1 during the draft was Troy Fautanu who absolutely had the body to be a RG. I like Steen, but it's possible that Stout just doesn't love him. Doesn't mean it's over. Stout didn't like Seumalo for 2 years, before it finally clicked for Issac in year 3 (2018).

22 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

My take on Becton/Steen...

I don't think the coaches are necessarily "down" on Steen.  They believe (as do I) that Becton should be the better player.  So they are giving him the opportunity to become a quality RG.

If Becton pans out we either a) sign him to a deal as a RG and possible RT of the future or b) he signs elsewhere and we get comp pick capital.  This would be a win for the franchise and shouldn't indict the drafting of Steen. 

They’re almost assuredly down on Steen and have been for sometime. 

Steen was a dumb pick. Not a great OT prospect, didn't project to a great OG prospect. It felt at the time they wanted a swing tackle as a backup for versatility. They could've moved up a couple spots for Torrence and had their RG of the future.

Regardless, they still should've did more at RG. What if Steen and Becton both suck and we're sitting there in October going "RG is a real problem"? Just go oh well, things don't work out sometimes. Which would be suitable if they actually adequately addressed it at some point, but their plan was Steen, who according to virtually everyone looked worse at OG than OT last year in both camp and during the season, and a career colossal bust in Becton.

Just incredibly short sighted. I wouldn't be stunned if Keegan is starting by week 8 or if they pick up a vet a la Suh like they did at DT at some point.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Steen was a dumb pick. Not a great OT prospect, didn't project to a great OG prospect. It felt at the time they wanted a swing tackle as a backup for versatility. They could've moved up a couple spots for Torrence and had their RG of the future.

Regardless, they still should've did more at RG. What if Steen and Becton both suck and we're sitting there in October going "RG is a real problem"? Just go oh well, things don't work out sometimes. Which would be suitable if they actually adequately addressed it at some point, but their plan was Steen, who according to virtually everyone looked worse at OG than OT last year in both camp and during the season, and a career colossal bust in Becton.

Just incredibly short sighted. I wouldn't be stunned if Keegan is starting by week 8 or if they pick up a vet a la Suh like they did at DT at some point.

I said since the draft that Keegan is the kind of guy who won't start right away but once he gets his feet wet and in to the lineup, he's there for good. I think he can be a very solid G in the NFL. 

13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

My take on Becton/Steen...

I don't think the coaches are necessarily "down" on Steen.  They believe (as do I) that Becton should be the better player.  So they are giving him the opportunity to become a quality RG.

If Becton pans out we either a) sign him to a deal as a RG and possible RT of the future or b) he signs elsewhere and we get comp pick capital.  This would be a win for the franchise and shouldn't indict the drafting of Steen. 

I prefer Steen as the RG starter.  It just seems easier that way.  Simpler.  This year and 2 more years of Steen as the RG starter on a cheap rookie deal. 

They say Becton would be or could be the primary backup at 4 positions on the OL.  That, too,  is easy and simple.   

If Steen is the starter and sucks,  then it's simple and easy to find the replacement.  Becton.  But I think Steen will be fine.  Becton would be fine, too, but Becton can also be the primary backup at 4 positions, which makes things easy.     I also think Becton can do things like 6th OL - TE/FB.  364 pound blocking TE who runs 5.10 40 sounds like a piece that could be used.  Rare.  Becton can also be "Lane's eventual replacement"  which is an imaginary position that a lot of Eagles fans definitely wanted to fill in the draft.  

I don't think you cannot be down on a player if you keep looking at multiple different ways to upgrade on them. It kind of goes hand in hand. 

 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well it certainly doesn't reach the impressiveness of rookie OTA highlights that you got excited about with Carson Strong.

You are right. 

When Hurts finds out it wasn't a real record.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think you cannot be down on a player if you keep looking at multiple different ways to upgrade on them. It kind of goes hand in hand. 

So if I have a gooey, tasty cheeseburger in front of me and suddenly a well-prepared steak is placed next to it, am I "down" on the cheeseburger if I choose to eat the steak?

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

With the qualifier that I am sure there is another side to the story (and Brian Johnson was definitely a source as he came out looking great), my takeaway from the ESPN article is rather straightforward. Nick trusted Shane from their years together to be the play caller and run the offense, and it got them to a Super Bowl. He didn't have that same relationship with Brian, who had no history with Nick but a long history with Jalen. So Nick decided that without Shane, he needed to get more hands on with the offense again, and this rubbed Brian and Jalen the wrong way. Add on that Jalen wanted to prove he was worth the contract and Brian wanted to live up to his hot head coach label, and you had 3 people trying to prove themselves as opposed to collaborating. While the team was winning, everyone was still miserable due to the SB hangover and the feeling that nothing was the same as 2022. 

Once they started losing, Nick overreacted by firing Desai and taking even more control. Jalen pushed back (see Seattle debacle) and Brian checked out, and it just spiraled as three strong willed people butted heads. By the end of the year, Nick likely thought Brian and Jalen sabotaged his offense, while Jalen and Brian thought Nick was too stubborn. Jalen isn't going anywhere, so Brian was canned and Moore was brought in to run the offense and evolve things with real autonomy. 

Basically - Nick never trusted Brian because he didn't know him. After the season, Lurie and Howie made clear he needed to bring in someone to run the offense and step back, or he was following Brian out the door (basically the ultimatum they gave Doug). Nick acquiesced, apologized to the team, and kept his job. So far, things seem much better in 2024.

 

Well done my friend. This is a very realistic and reasonable explanation.

I still think the biggest reason was Nick's lack of adjusting his scheme and approach. Wink's comments in the article note that the Eagles were predicable and made it easier on defenses and tougher on themselves. The average fan could see issues with lack of motion, handling the blitz and the lack of creativity in the play calling, the lack of intermediate throws and limited WR routes. The coaches didn't do anything to fix those things. 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm gonna throw out a take, tell me if you disagree.

As good as some cuts of steak can be. Even if they are cooked perfect. Juicy, tender, melt in your mouth, etc. No cut of steak, no matter how high quality, tastes better than a top quality cheeseburger.

The grease, the melty gooey cheese, the way everything comes together, it's something that no steak can ever match, as good as some steaks are.

(I don't mean cheesesteak btw I mean a steak steak)

A perfectly made bologna and mustard sandwich is better than any cheeseburger you'll ever have.  

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

So if I have a gooey, tasty cheeseburger in front of me and suddenly a well-prepared steak is placed next to it, am I "down" on the cheeseburger if I choose to eat the steak?

If you have the cheeseburger in front of you ready to go but instead go out of your way to the store or some restaurant to get a steak, yeah. 

If this was more similar to the John Hightower/Quez Watkins situation where they liked both players so just took both at basically the same time and ended up playing the better player, then it changes things. With Steen it's like you're wife packed you a salad for lunch but you keep looking at different options throughout the day to have something better. 

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So if I have a gooey, tasty cheeseburger in front of me and suddenly a well-prepared steak is placed next to it, am I "down" on the cheeseburger if I choose to eat the steak?

If you like the cheeseburger that’s in front of you you don’t leave the house to go eat a steak. 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

Well done my friend. This is a very realistic and reasonable explanation.

I still think the biggest reason was Nick's lack of adjusting his scheme and approach. Wink's comments in the article note that the Eagles were predicable and made it easier on defenses and tougher on themselves. The average fan could see issues with lack of motion, handling the blitz and the lack of creativity in the play calling, the lack of intermediate throws and limited WR routes. The coaches didn't do anything to fix those things. 

Yeah, Nick definitely doubled and tripled down and was too stubborn to change. It seems likely that Nick didn't trust Brian to make changes the way he trusted Shane. Nick and Shane's history definitely came into play there, whereas Nick had no history with Brian. Add on that Brian was closer to Jalen than Nick was, and it likely felt to Nick as 2 against one, making him more dug in. It's an error and immature response, but also human. Have to hope he has learned from it.

And why would we consider Becton a steak in this analogy?