9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

McCollum is still an under the radar guy to most Eagles fans. I don't see him pushing our current starters, but I can see him making the final team. He played well last season in the finale vs the giants (one of our few bright spots in that game). He's one of the guys I'm trying to focus on in the preseason. N. Smith definitely made a few plays today and that's good to see. I thought Dean played better than both Baun and White. He had a nice blitz where he was blocked initially but didn't give up and got the hit forcing an errant throw, but it was wiped out by a hold by Smith. There are people claiming Dean can't cover at all. He can cover and just needs to be more consistent in that area. For him, it was important to just get him back out there so he can regain that confidence in his (healed) foot. I liked how they used Covey at WR. That was a big play by Johnson at the end. Hunt is kind of flashing a little, but I'd like to see a big play from him. Davis-Price stood out. I don't expect us to keep more than 3 RBs on the final roster, but he ran well. 

Been rooting for Covey to be our knockoff Wes Welker for a while. Guy has good hands and can make a tough catch and take a big hit. Forgot to mention TDP in my earlier comment. If we dropped Gainwell and went Barkley/Shipley/TDP I wouldn’t be upset. Guy fights for every inch. 

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I thought Davis-Price actually looked pretty good tonight. 

Ditto. 

7 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

From what saw ..

(1)  McKee is markedly better than Pickett.  Has more arm talent and mobility.  Ship off Pickett for whatever they can get.  As was stated Pickett can be a solid backup but McKee has starter potential 

(2)  Shipley is a player.   Ran strong, catches the ball well and did a good job in pass pro

(3)  Jalyx Hunt has what it takes

(4)  Trotters Jr. has the instincts to play the position

(5)  Think both Nolan Smith and Dean need more reps to get into the speed of the game.  Not worried about them but it's time.

(6)  No way they are trading Steen.  Played well

(7)  Covey has a spot locked up.  Feel like if Campbell can get healthy, he, Covey and possibly Ross make the team as well.  Smith needs to go to IR or PS.

 

 

 

1. Better arm, yes. Better in-pocket instincts, yes. Better overall mobility, no. 
2. Agreed. Shipley should be the #2 and get on the field more often than Gainwell. He picked up a few blitzes tonight really well too. 
3. Agreed. Liked what I saw from him. 
4. Agreed. Has a good nose for where the ball is going. Can’t lay the wood like his dad but it’s a much different game now. 
5. I’ll be worried about them by the bye. This is a make or break year for them both. 
6. Agreed. Steen isn’t going anywhere. Versatile and Stout seems to love him which is good enough for me. 
7. Covey absolutely makes this team. Based on the roster as it sits today, who is available health wise, and performances thus far he should be your slot. Wilson looked decent tonight. Want to see more. Still concerned about depth on the outside. 

Interesting "game”.  These are more like uncontrolled scrimmages.  I don’t think the Eagles "game plan” was to target Wiggins. I suspect that was a request from Harbaugh. I do think there is some of that in PS, where coaches ask favors like that.  Just like obviously targeting players. Wilson, for example.  Ringo more than Rodgers. Now without the All 22, coverage view is somewhat difficult but it looked like Rodgers mostly played Cover 4 type zone and a little off, if I can be honest whereas Ringo was playing tight almost like Cover 2.  (Suspect that was Coverage 6.). I hope they avoid a Slay (LCB) Cover 2 and RCB, whoever that is, Cover 4. Frankly, I liked Ringo’s play better.

i liked what I saw of all the Ss, which admittedly isn’t a lot.  I really understand the injury angst with Maddox, but JFC, that kid is a baller.  Hell, he gets injured because he is a baller.  Who in the hell can favor Hall over him at Nickel and he plays S well enough? Yes, he might get injured like last year  it is a risk  Besides there are more options at S,Bradberry, McCollum but especially DeJean  And Byrd takes over at S once he is healthy. At nickel, there may be Mitchell and I suspect Cooper will back up Maddox.  CJGJ is a bit of a wildcard at nickel but let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.  And he’s been injured and missed games too.

WTF is the fascination with Ricks and Jobe, especially as to trade value. Neither looked particularly good.  Both played too loose against camp bodies.  

 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

You can pretty much sort qb’s according to 10 yard split and it reflects perfectly how good they are too.

you think?

I think the 10 yard split measures how well a QB can run 10 yards.  And that's objective data.

Passer rating, too, objective data.  Pickett much higher passer rating than McKee.

The new kickoff is a little weird on the broadcast and they couldn't seem to figure out a good way to show it.

Was there very high humidity? Everyone looked drenched after the game like they just got out of the pool.

Q looks the part, and Ringo looked good. Not too concerned if Slay falls off a cliff this year.

One thing that stuck out to me with the Becton/Steen battle is that Steen can pull quite well, or at least showed he could last night. Steen might be able to give the OL a bit more flexibility with that skill where I don't think Becton is able to move like that. But damn is Becton so powerful in the interior.

Kinnard played the whole game at RT? I thought the OL played well throughout the entire game. There's tons of depth there and some very hard decisions to make.

Pickett looked about how I expected based on camp reports, nothing spectacular. When McKee came in he started off well but then turned into Pickett. Can't tell if that's just the talent he's working with or what. Would like to see him out there working with better guys.

Overall I'm just glad they made it out without any injuries, unlike last years preseason opener.

9 hours ago, RLC said:

Couldn't watch the game. How did Jalyx Hunt look?

I would say, way better than expected but still green. Hell, he set the edge better than Tarron Jackson, who still can’t.

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We need to trade for a WR3. Campbell can’t be trusted. Wilson is too slow. Smith is a disaster. Ross is a bum. Covey is maybe passable but can’t play outside. 

For as incredible AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith are, the Eagles have next to nothing in terms of young, developmental WR. The cupboard of young weapons in the pipeline across the board at WR and TE is alarming. Staying healthy is imperative to this team.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

WTF is the fascination with Ricks and Jobe, especially as to trade value.

ricks was a udfa last year who apparently doesn't play special teams and had a PFF in the 40s last year.  Also not impressive combine or pro day numbers.  I don't think he has "trade value"  I also don't think he makes the 53, but he should make the practice squad.  He doesn't have a high ceiling at all,  but he played defense before Kelee Ringo did, because he was more "pro ready", savvy and able to grab the jerseys of the faster wrs running by him.  Smart, because if he didn't, those would have been big plays.  "He's smart because he's good at grabbing jerseys" is not the kind of bedrock foundation that you're looking for.
 
Jobe is apparently good at special teams.  I don't think he has "trade value" but he could make the 53 due to special teams value.  If not, I would think he would be more suitable for PS than Ricks.  

Eli Ricks to the Packers or Dontayvion Wicks or Bo Melton would be a start.

The Eagles value the qb room/depth significantly more than other franchises.  I suppose that tends to happen after your backup wins you a SB and is SB mvp.  Still, IMO, they invest too much there.  

The money they have paid backup QBs post Foles (specifically Mariota), dropping a 3 for Pickett (yes they got later stuff back)…they place meaningful resources here.  Other teams just sign the best guy that shakes out of a tree.

31 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

1. Better arm, yes. Better in-pocket instincts, yes. Better overall mobility, no. 
2. Agreed. Shipley should be the #2 and get on the field more often than Gainwell. He picked up a few blitzes tonight really well too. 
3. Agreed. Liked what I saw from him. 
4. Agreed. Has a good nose for where the ball is going. Can’t lay the wood like his dad but it’s a much different game now. 
5. I’ll be worried about them by the bye. This is a make or break year for them both. 
6. Agreed. Steen isn’t going anywhere. Versatile and Stout seems to love him which is good enough for me. 
7. Covey absolutely makes this team. Based on the roster as it sits today, who is available health wise, and performances thus far he should be your slot. Wilson looked decent tonight. Want to see more. Still concerned about depth on the outside. 

That's what I meant by mobility, movement/footwork within the pocket.  Not that McKee is Mike Vick or anything lol.  Of course, I was about 10 beers in so I didn't quite make that point that well 😅

 

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

WTF is the fascination with Ricks and Jobe, especially as to trade value. Neither looked particularly good.  Both played too loose against camp bodies.  

 

DB is a premium position. Ricks isn't a world beater, but as an UDFA, he showed he can play in this league and has room to improve. I think he can be a very good reserve CB and spot starter. He's not the answer to CB problems but he is an NFL player and CB is the only position the Eagles have an excess of where you know they are cutting NFL quality players. No one is claiming the WR, RB, TE, LB, DL they cut but CB is s different story. 

QB:  Pickett was meh, but a lot of that was WRs who couldn't get separation. McKee was inconsistent, but made some nice throw to covered targets.

RB:  Shipley looked good, good blitz pickup against DBs, not sure he's strong enough to handle a LB. Gainwell was his usual self, solid, not exciting, but makes plays. Davis-Price has speed and power, question is hands and pass blocking, didn't get tested in this team.

WR:  Covey the only one who looked good, Harris had a great catched followed by a "look ma, no hands" drop. Wilson lacks quickness to separate at the NFL level. Ross looks like he lost a few steps, no explosion - a speed receiver who can't pull away from a CB . . .

TE:  Calcaterra has locked up TE2. Albert O had a chance to impress, but failed to make two tough catches, you get an opportunity, you'd better take advantage. Otherwise, like WR, look for Howie to be searching for upgrades.

OL:  Johnson was very good in the run game, but wasn't really tested in pass protection. Keegan has the team made, he's playing LG right now, but I'm sure they'll eventually teach him RG. Toth as the C2 was a surprise,  Kinnard playing the whole game was interesting. McMahon showed mobility, but I think he's PS bound for a red-shirt year, Hennessey and Scharping are the odd men out.

DL:  Ojomo and Tuipulotu are locks, and did nothing to change that opinion. Booker played a lot of snaps, like Ojomo, has size and athleticis for 3-4 DE.

LB:  Trotter showed plenty good at using his hands to shed blocks for a small LB. Dean also flashed, but neither was really tested in coverage. VanSumeran has size and speed, and seems to developing instincts, a little late to plays but given his ST prowess, they'll find a spot for him. Hunt was a revelation, looked smooth in space, not sure he'll play much this season, but could be a top SOLB down the road. Smith flashed his explosion, I think he has to master WOLB, like Hunt he's not a line up on the LOS pass rusher, but has the athleticism to do everything, the instincts? Patrick Johnson may be odd man out.

CB:  When you went from RIngo and Mitchell to Jobe and Ricks, well, there's a reason this defense struggled last year. Rodgers played soft, but I can see him as trade bait on a one year deal where you're not paying him given your young CBs.

S:  McCollum is a converted CB from a small college who has bulked up a bit to play safety, but still has CB athleticism. Showed he's willing to hit, one of the two barriers to a conversion, the second is vision, didn't make any egregious errors that I could see.

 

We need a new kicker. 🤣

Feels so good to finally win a Preseason game, lol.  What a finish last night.  I can't believe the Ravens have lost 3 straight Preseason games after winning 24 straight previously.  That's wild.  Also Jake is allowed to work through issues before the season.  I have zero concern because at the end of the day after the fumble when it was time to Win, he was Money once again.  

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I would say, way better than expected but still green. Hell, he set the edge better than Tarron Jackson, who still can’t.

The one play that really impressed me was he was covering his man, saw the pass go underneath and immediately rolled off to make the tackle in space. Tells me he was aware of what was going on around him and not simply focused on his man.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

For as incredible AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith are, the Eagles have next to nothing in terms of young, developmental WR. The cupboard of young weapons in the pipeline across the board at WR and TE is alarming. Staying healthy is imperative to this team.

I like Covey and Wilson.  I also like Campbell. And Ross.  How many players do you think should be in the developmental pipeline?  If they're in the developmental pipeline,  and they're good, they wouldn't be able to stick on a practice squad.  A Smith does not look like a player for the 53, and since he was drafted,  some team might want to poach him from the practice squad.  So,  many suggest he should be a phantom IR.  Maybe next year he'll be better.  Maybe there are lingering effects from an injury last year?  The use of phantom IR is one of the ways you can protect a player who you don't want to lose,  for the developmental pipeline. 

But Covey and Wilson are homegrown talent,  one was a udfa,  who I liked before the draft and talked about him here,  the other one was a 6th round pick, who I liked before the draft and talked about him here.

Wilson is taller and heavier than AJ Brown.  And slower.  But not that much slower. 

Remember,  the Eagles went to the Super Bowl with 2 good WRs and a WR3,  Quez Watkins,  who really sucked that year.   Covey looked good.  Wilson and Ross looked pretty good.  Campbell I guess we'll see later, but he also should be good.

here's some ras compare of johnny wilson and aj brown. 

 

Pickett and Mcgee are both still work in progress, wasn't that impressed but it was just the first game so we'll see.  They're still very raw right now.   

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Eli Ricks to the Packers or Dontayvion Wicks or Bo Melton would be a start.

Maybe Melton. I bet Wicks would cost at least a third round pick or comparable value. 

So Eagles are only doing 1 day of joint practice with the Patriots? Seems odd.

44 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Interesting "game”.  These are more like uncontrolled scrimmages.  I don’t think the Eagles "game plan” was to target Wiggins. I suspect that was a request from Harbaugh. I do think there is some of that in PS, where coaches ask favors like that.  Just like obviously targeting players. Wilson, for example.  Ringo more than Rodgers. Now without the All 22, coverage view is somewhat difficult but it looked like Rodgers mostly played Cover 4 type zone and a little off, if I can be honest whereas Ringo was playing tight almost like Cover 2.  (Suspect that was Coverage 6.). I hope they avoid a Slay (LCB) Cover 2 and RCB, whoever that is, Cover 4. Frankly, I liked Ringo’s play better.

i liked what I saw of all the Ss, which admittedly isn’t a lot.  I really understand the injury angst with Maddox, but JFC, that kid is a baller.  Hell, he gets injured because he is a baller.  Who in the hell can favor Hall over him at Nickel and he plays S well enough? Yes, he might get injured like last year  it is a risk  Besides there are more options at S,Bradberry, McCollum but especially DeJean  And Byrd takes over at S once he is healthy. At nickel, there may be Mitchell and I suspect Cooper will back up Maddox.  CJGJ is a bit of a wildcard at nickel but let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.  And he’s been injured and missed games too.

WTF is the fascination with Ricks and Jobe, especially as to trade value. Neither looked particularly good.  Both played too loose against camp bodies.  

 

 

Ricks played very well against Tyreek Hill last year.

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Wilson lacks quickness to separate at the NFL level.

He's not as fast as Nate Wiggins, who was one of the CBs under consideration.

The area where Wiggins was best was Coverage.  Wiggins was best at Coverage.  Which makes sense because he's 6'2 and 4.29 40.  Wilson had difficulty with the CB who was the best at coverage in the draft last year.  So did Ross.  So did everybody.  Wiggins is good.   Now,  comparing Wiggins to Quinyon,  Quinyon almost had a pick, and Wiggins was hit in the back with the ball.  Maybe Quinyon might be better at making interceptions?  Better ball skills?   Maybe Quinyon will be better at tackling or run defense.  Cooper DeJean is thought to be one who can play all 5 DB positions.  

Now,  if the Ravens are putting their best coverage guy on the best WR the Eagles have,  that might be Johnny Wilson.  In a preseason game.  In a regular season game,  that would probably be AJ Brown or D Smith.  Wilson doesn't have speed problems.  He's a big wr who has sufficient speed and great size and jumps that allows him to win contested catches.

23 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

He's not as fast as Nate Wiggins, who was one of the CBs under consideration.

The area where Wiggins was best was Coverage.  Wiggins was best at Coverage.  Which makes sense because he's 6'2 and 4.29 40.  Wilson had difficulty with the CB who was the best at coverage in the draft last year.  So did Ross.  So did everybody.  Wiggins is good.   Now,  comparing Wiggins to Quinyon,  Quinyon almost had a pick, and Wiggins was hit in the back with the ball.  Maybe Quinyon might be better at making interceptions?  Better ball skills?   Maybe Quinyon will be better at tackling or run defense.  Cooper DeJean is thought to be one who can play all 5 DB positions.  

Now,  if the Ravens are putting their best coverage guy on the best WR the Eagles have,  that might be Johnny Wilson.  In a preseason game.  In a regular season game,  that would probably be AJ Brown or D Smith.  Wilson doesn't have speed problems.  He's a big wr who has sufficient speed and great size and jumps that allows him to win contested catches.

Speed and quickness are two very different things. Big WRs tend to lack explosion and build up speed as they go along, making them easy to cover.

What gets you separation is exploding out of your cut, and not have a "tell" that informs the DB when you're going to make a move.

OK CB what they need to figure out. It's been and continues to be the best competition of the summer. If the loser of Ricks/Jobe brings back anything in a trade, that's fantastic. After seeing Quinyon Mitchell and Kelee Ringo last night, the biggest trade chip might be Isaiah Rodgers. Rodgers might be my favorite Eagles player to never play a snap for the team. The way he's embraced being an Eagle and the fans has been really cool. You can tell he loves being here and I'd hate to get rid of a guy who A. can help the team and B. wants to be here. However, he's still just 26 and has started 45 games in the NFL. He's also a top returner. 

There's just no room here for 4 starting CB. 

- Ringo battled all night and made disruptive plays on the ball. He's still so young and his growth potential is through the roof. I want him on the field. 

- Mitchell showed why he was a 1st round pick. He's sticky, he knows how to bait and can break. Catch the ball next time. It's one game but there's just no way they can keep him on the bench.

Ringo and Mitchell are your 2025 starting CB. I'm convinced of that right now.

Eli Ricks and Josh Jobe are both reserve outside CB. They add value to this or any team in the NFL. Both are not here though. Zech McPhearson is still here and even though he's in year 4, he's an unknown. They like him both outside and inside. Are they ready to move on from their 4th round pick?

Shon Stephens is extremely intriguing and just has a nose for the ball. Can he be the successor to Maddox or is that Tyler Hall, who has also looked good. 

They are just stacked with depth at CB. Good players are going to get cut.

OK, I've convinced myself, Isaiah Rodgers is the odd man out and he's traded for WR3.

 

 

Oh yea, Cooper DeJean hasn't even been in the discussion yet. 

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, aptosbird said:

typical preseason game ...not much too take away at this point...I liked the effort

The ending of that one was worth the price of admission.   If it was a regular season game... wooo... hearts across the region would have been going nuts and people on the EMB would have been breaking things.  Great ending.

11 hours ago, RLC said:

Couldn't watch the game. How did Jalyx Hunt look?

Athletic.