5 hours ago, austinfan said:

Looking at the roster what stands out is how quickly Howie rebuilt this team.

Oldest players at QB, RB, WR, TE = Goedert (29), Barkley (27), Brown (27).

OL:  Lane (34), then next oldest Mailata (27)

DL:  Graham (36), then Sweat (27)

LB:  Baun (27), White (26)

DB:  Slay (33), Bradberry (31), Maddox (28), CJGJ (27)

A legitimate SB contender with (2) starters over 30, (1) 29 and the rest are 27 or younger. With most key players under contract the next few years.

Interesting. Plus an extra couple future draft picks. 

15 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I like the Huff signing and wanted Howie to do it.  But...there is a difference between Huff and Reddick.  Reddick was the #13 overall pick.  I realize draft status doesn't matter once you are years into the NFL, but it shows that everyone saw blue chip talent there.  He also had 23.5 sacks in his 2 years before coming to Philly.  That's far more of a thoroughbred, proven resume than a UDFA who popped off 10 sacks as a part time player only last year.  Again, I like Huff a lot.  But I think Reddick was far more marketable than Huff at their respective Eagles signings.

I would not begin to argue with you on that.  I think everybody would pretty much agree that Reddick is a better player than Huff.  I never argued otherwise.  I just said Reddick’s market value is what it is based on his history… and that I understand why Howie did what he did.

It just seems to me that Reddick is trying to make up for not getting that huge deal on his second contract, like he would’ve got if he was like a Nick Bosa or Myles Garrett.  He probably would’ve if he had performed like they did in his first three years. But he didn’t 

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Keegan could learn center, but I think McMahon is a closer fit to the Kelce/Jergens model of smaller, highly athletic center who can peel off and hit targets on the second level. Probably want to red shirt him and have him add strength. Keegan is closer to Dickerson, who played center in college but moved to guard in the NFL. They'd probably have to redesign some blocking schemes with a bigger, less mobile power center.

Oh, don’t get me wrong.  I want Jurgens and Kelce (can’t stay away so ask him to not coach so much as share knowledge) to teach McMahon.  He may be more athletic than Jason.  I meant if Keegan is a back up IOL, he has maximum value learning all three IOL positions. 

21 minutes ago, eggs said:

Do we know that?  He still needs to play during the season for somebody and do well enough to get the contract that he wants so he needs to get the 10 sacks. We don’t know what the contract says if he is traded. 

He needs to show up to play snaps. Publicly requesting a trade half way through camp means there’s probably no resolution anytime soon. 

Even if she shows up for Week 1 the Jets probably have to start him on a pitch count if he’s holding out all camp. They already rotate most of their guys as is so that doesn’t bode well for hitting the first benchmark. 

I would be shocked if the Jets traded him. That would be Joe Douglas basically firing himself. He has to hold onto him at this point and pray it works somehow. 

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Oh, don’t get me wrong.  I want Jurgens and Kelce (can’t stay away so ask him to not coach so much as share knowledge) to teach McMahon.  He may be more athletic than Jason.  I meant if Keegan is a back up IOL, he has maximum value learning all three IOL positions. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He needs to show up to play snaps. Publicly requesting a trade half way through camp means there’s probably no resolution anytime soon. 

Even if she shows up for Week 1 the Jets probably have to start him on a pitch count if he’s holding out all camp. They already rotate most of their guys as is so that doesn’t bode well for hitting the first benchmark. 

I would be shocked if the Jets traded him. That would be Joe Douglas basically firing himself. He has to hold onto him at this point and pray it works somehow. 

unless he gets more in a trade than he gave up,  in which case he might look smart.  Howie would look smart if he got more from trading Pickett than it cost to get him.   I'd think the Raiders might want to give up a 2nd for Pickett.  Baker was down immediately after leaving the Browns,  but rebounded pretty quickly.  I think Pickett is better than Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell.  That's who the Raiders are going with, there isn't some better QB who is injured.    Pickett took the Steelers to the playoffs, a level of not suck that the Raiders rarely achieve.   And the Raiders draft so badly,  the Raiders might have to think of their 2nd round pick, in their hands,  as worth a jag level, or bad, player, so it's clear that Pickett is worth more than a bad player, so they can move the 2nd round pick into the hands of a team that will turn that 2nd rounder into a good solid starter, or a star.   It's not unreasonable for a team with a QB room like the Raiders to like getting 2 or 3 years of a qb who is on his cheap rookie deal who was a first round draft pick who took his team to the playoffs one of the 2 years he was there.   He was upgraded with 2 running QBs,  both better than what the Raiders have.  Pickett to the Raiders for a 2nd,  throw in Ricks and Jobe. 

7 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't get why no team wants to pay him. He's a great player. He's worth 25+ million. He's been a top 3 pass rusher in the NFL the last two seasons. He single handedly dominated the Niners in the playoffs. He's at his best in crunch time.

He's worth that if he can give you 2022 x3 years.  But he can't.  Or, at least, the entire NFL believes he can't.  They think he peaked in 2022, was still great and cresting down in 2023, and will be further on the decline in 2024 and so on.  

58 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

unless he gets more in a trade than he gave up,  in which case he might look smart.  Howie would look smart if he got more from trading Pickett than it cost to get him.   I'd think the Raiders might want to give up a 2nd for Pickett.  Baker was down immediately after leaving the Browns,  but rebounded pretty quickly.  I think Pickett is better than Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell.  That's who the Raiders are going with, there isn't some better QB who is injured.    Pickett took the Steelers to the playoffs, a level of not suck that the Raiders rarely achieve.   And the Raiders draft so badly,  the Raiders might have to think of their 2nd round pick, in their hands,  as worth a jag level, or bad, player, so it's clear that Pickett is worth more than a bad player, so they can move the 2nd round pick into the hands of a team that will turn that 2nd rounder into a good solid starter, or a star.   It's not unreasonable for a team with a QB room like the Raiders to like getting 2 or 3 years of a qb who is on his cheap rookie deal who was a first round draft pick who took his team to the playoffs one of the 2 years he was there.   He was upgraded with 2 running QBs,  both better than what the Raiders have.  Pickett to the Raiders for a 2nd,  throw in Ricks and Jobe. 

Yes I’m sure the Jets will get more than they traded for him.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes I’m sure the Jets will get more than they traded for him.

it's unlikely.  if someone gets their top edge rusher hurt? but it's unlikely.

 

Bring back Julio

So the Jets offered Reddick a contract, he turned it down, and they traded for him anyway? Lol, it must really suck being a Jets fan.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

He's worth that if he can give you 2022 x3 years.  But he can't.  Or, at least, the entire NFL believes he can't.  They think he peaked in 2022, was still great and cresting down in 2023, and will be further on the decline in 2024 and so on.  

Say the Eagles paid him 25 million per season and he averaged 11 sacks per season over the contract. If he's by far the Eagles best pass rusher and he's making key sacks at critical times, that's more than worth the money. You can't evaluate whether a player is worth the contract purely based on the numbers or respective to the rest of the NFL, it doesn't work that way. It's how valuable they are to your team.

Teams and fans really only care what a player is being paid if they perform poorly. For example, if Devonta Smith only gets 65 catches for 1,000 yards this season, no one will be going "Damn, wasn't worth that 25 million!" They'll only talk about his contract if he has like 40 catches for 700 yards. As long as players are relatively productive and impactful, even if it's not aligned with how players making the same amount of money around the league are performing, teams are usually cool with the contract. And fans aren't complaining.

4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

3rd doesn't look bad, if no one else wanted him

Give the Jets a 5th for him 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Say the Eagles paid him 25 million per season and he averaged 11 sacks per season over the contract. If he's by far the Eagles best pass rusher and he's making key sacks at critical times, that's more than worth the money. You can't evaluate whether a player is worth the contract purely based on the numbers or respective to the rest of the NFL, it doesn't work that way. It's how valuable they are to your team.

Teams and fans really only care what a player is being paid if they perform poorly. For example, if Devonta Smith only gets 65 catches for 1,000 yards this season, no one will be going "Damn, wasn't worth that 25 million!" They'll only talk about his contract if he has like 40 catches for 700 yards. As long as players are relatively productive and impactful, even if it's not aligned with how players making the same amount of money around the league are performing, teams are usually cool with the contract. And fans aren't complaining.

And I don’t think he’ll do that.  It seems the rest of the league doesn’t either. 

7 hours ago, T-1000 said:

So the Jets offered Reddick a contract, he turned it down, and they traded for him anyway? Lol, it must really suck being a Jets fan.

I know people love to rag on the Jets (and don’t let me stop you), but I just think the only way Joe Douglas trades for him is because Reddick, at one point before the deal was finalized, made him feel comfortable that he’d be ok playing out his deal and then they’d sign him for more than what the Eagles were offering.  
 

It’s still a stupid way to do the deal.  But there had to have been some feeling of good faith.  Or maybe I’m just giving Douglas too much credit here.  It’s just a really strange situation.  I think one party went back on their word…not sure which side.

13 hours ago, McMVP said:

I disagree.  Howie took a gamble a signed him after his breakout year (his 4th season), and then a prove-it year (on another team).  Reddick had not done enough (in fact very little) in the 3 previous seasons to warrant anything more…which was why he was available.  Howie’s gamble paid off and he continued his production here.

Howie is trying to repeat that formula with Huff.  I don’t think that Reddick did anything for the entirety of his career (including his first 3 years) to make one think that he deserved top dollar all along.  He was a first round pick that did not live up to his bill until his 4th year.  He missed 33 games in his first 4 seasons.  That’s a half a season a year.  He played his first full season on his prove it deal with Carolina.  Good for him, but no, he did not deserve more than what he received.  His situation ‘is what it is’

 

Those first 3 years he was being misused in Arizona.  They had him playing off the ball LB.  They screwed up.

17 hours ago, Utebird said:

Nasty Nate 2024.🏆

When this dude was drafted so many were saying hed be the number 3 WR and replace Covey as the returner  now hes pumphrey 😮

Sadly even pumphrey made the roster🤷‍♂️

Reddick isn't a UFA. He's 29. It's one thing to pay him 25M/Y, it's another to pay him that AND give up draft picks. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Reddick isn't a UFA. He's 29. It's one thing to pay him 25M/Y, it's another to pay him that AND give up draft picks. 

 

He's pretty much 30.  He will be 30 by the 2nd week of the season. 

Joint practice today at 10:30.  Probably more film by the Beats than regular practice. 

It's just hindsight at this point but check the notes from Ben Sola, now at Lions camp. The players on the board, that also fit needs (S, TE2 etc.) when the Eagles selected Nolan Smith are notable.

Joey Porter Jr., Sam LaPorta, Michael Mayer, Brian Branch all went within the next 15 picks. I know there was excitement watching Nolan Smith drop and everyone thought the Eagles should sprint to the podium, but maybe there's a reason he continued to drop when teams with DL/OLB needs passed on him. 

Two days at Lions camp in the books. Some thoughts: Branch: There isn't a player here that consistently gets open against Brian Branch. Only one who can actually get catches on him is Amon-Ra, and even then, they're usually contested. Wouldn't be surprised if we're calling him the best slot in football by December.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's just hindsight at this point but check the notes from Ben Sola, now at Lions camp. The players on the board, that also fit needs (S, TE2 etc.) when the Eagles selected Nolan Smith are notable.

Joey Porter Jr., Sam LaPorta, Michael Mayer, Brian Branch all went within the next 15 picks. I know there was excitement watching Nolan Smith drop and everyone thought the Eagles should sprint to the podium, but maybe there's a reason he continued to drop when teams with DL/OLB needs passed on him. 

Two days at Lions camp in the books. Some thoughts: Branch: There isn't a player here that consistently gets open against Brian Branch. Only one who can actually get catches on him is Amon-Ra, and even then, they're usually contested. Wouldn't be surprised if we're calling him the best slot in football by December.

I never liked the Nolan Smith Pick, hes a tweener drafted to be an edge who didnt have much production as an edge coming off an injury.

His body type is best suited at off ball LB but he doesnt have the instincts there 

I mean he seems like. Solid dude hard worker high effort high motor guy but as far as a pass rusher hes pretty meh just like he was in college.

I mean against scrubs in pre season his only real pressure/sack came when he lined up in the slot...

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Those first 3 years he was being misused in Arizona.  They had him playing off the ball LB.  They screwed up.

I know… But Reddick expecting some other team to pay the price for that misuse is not realistic.

I realize he’s not walking into a GM‘s office and saying that… It just feels like it

I was disappointed that the Eagles ran out of the gun on all Becton's snaps. He never got down in a three-point stance. I want to see him fire out.

 

Red are candidates to trade or upgrade during cut downs, I think the rest are basically locks.

I feel they will put the 3 best corners out there and Q showed he belongs. He needs to be out on the field even if its at nickle.  The Eagles can go lighter at DB since they have several hybrid type players like CJGJ, Bradberry, Maddox, Q, DeJean, plus Sydney Brown. Howie has turned this position group around and is almost a log jam now.