6 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Getting a 1st round pick for Sam Bradford is insane to look back at.

Not even in Howie’s top 5 swindles

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Not even in Howie’s top 5 swindles

That’s a bold take. What would you have ahead? 

23 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Not even in Howie’s top 5 swindles

I'm curious what they are as well. Wentz is up there as well, but a first for Sam not top 5?

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s a bold take. What would you have ahead? 

Part of it is that at the time, I don’t think it was a huge overpay. We had only just traded for him from STL for Foles, a 2, and a 4. Sam was a starting QB who could have had some franchise QB in him. He would have been our starter had we not traded him. He played alright with us and had a full season without falling apart. What was his actual value? A 2nd? Fringe first? It was great we got a 1 for him, but there have been other moves I found impressive.

Future draft picks worth pennies on the dollar will always be nuts to me. So Even if the points chart says it was right, getting a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for our 2022 1st from NO is a gigantic steal.  And that’s before we factor in hindsight of it becoming Jalen Carter, Cooper Dejean, and Nakobe Dean. I hope teams offer us that deal every year, it’s so stupid.

Slay for a 3 and a 5 has been an absolutely phenomenal trade. he wanted a new deal, but it’s really surprising no one offered more. Maybe they thought he was done. This is probably my #1

Getting more for Carson was bigger than Sam. Sam could play; Carson was spoiled milk. A 1 and a 3 for him was bonkers

This one is actually my #1:  trading away Chip Kelly’s FA trash from 2015 to move up in the 2016 draft was one of the greatest things Howie ever did. Kiko, Byron Maxwell, Demarco Murray… no idea how you convince teams to take those contracts AND get draft capital.

Hmm, will take me a minute to find a fifth but I think it’s there. Maybe getting Sproles for a 5. Everyone knew NO Fed up when they did that. Thats one of those trades where you wonder if Howie cornered Loomis and didn’t let other teams know Sproles was available

5 hours ago, NCiggles said:

If Trey looks good to him in the pre-season, I think the chances are better than even.  

He looked horrid in preseason game 1…one read and take off running…he’s got wheels but cannot read a defense pre-snap. Would be nice if the lights came on upstairs for him but I suspect he’ll be out of the league within 2-3 years. But yeh, Jerry is an idiot and will likely sign him for 50m this next offseason.

5 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Buy or sell? James Bradberry is actually doing well at safety right now.

Hard sell. Easy to talk yourself into it (great size and football IQ, way above average length), but he's not physical and can't deal with suddenness. Might be a bold statement, but I think even a guy like Calcaterra would destroy him.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Part of it is that at the time, I don’t think it was a huge overpay. We had only just traded for him from STL for Foles, a 2, and a 4. Sam was a starting QB who could have had some franchise QB in him. He would have been our starter had we not traded him. He played alright with us and had a full season without falling apart. What was his actual value? A 2nd? Fringe first? It was great we got a 1 for him, but there have been other moves I found impressive.

Future draft picks worth pennies on the dollar will always be nuts to me. So Even if the points chart says it was right, getting a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for our 2022 1st from NO is a gigantic steal.  And that’s before we factor in hindsight of it becoming Jalen Carter, Cooper Dejean, and Nakobe Dean. I hope teams offer us that deal every year, it’s so stupid.

Slay for a 3 and a 5 has been an absolutely phenomenal trade. he wanted a new deal, but it’s really surprising no one offered more. Maybe they thought he was done. This is probably my #1

Getting more for Carson was bigger than Sam. Sam could play; Carson was spoiled milk. A 1 and a 3 for him was bonkers

This one is actually my #1:  trading away Chip Kelly’s FA trash from 2015 to move up in the 2016 draft was one of the greatest things Howie ever did. Kiko, Byron Maxwell, Demarco Murray… no idea how you convince teams to take those contracts AND get draft capital.

Hmm, will take me a minute to find a fifth but I think it’s there. Maybe getting Sproles for a 5. Everyone knew NO Fed up when they did that. Thats one of those trades where you wonder if Howie cornered Loomis and didn’t let other teams know Sproles was available

I think the one thing that needs to be heavily favored into the Bradford trade is just the timing. Howie pulled that one off after all the preseason games, barely a week before the regular season started while being a few months removed from selecting the #2 overall pick in the draft. The trade would make more sense if Minnesota did it at the beginning of the offseason but to get it when he did and barely have leverage makes It impressive. Granted, Minnesota was in a tough position without much leverage themselves but it was still impressive to get that haul for a failure of a QB prospect on his third team in 6 years. 

Y'know, I think one of the reasons that Howie traded down multiple times in the draft to pick up three extra picks next year (3rd from Miami; 4th from Detroit which was originally ours; 5th from Houston) was because of the possibility that the Eagles might get penalized for the signing of Saquon Barkley. But that didn't happen, and the Eagles actually have a surplus of sorts of picks next year.

I have every reason to believe that this "extra" bit of draft ammo is going to be used either prior to the season or at the trade deadline. Perhaps even both. I suspect another wide receiver or defensive lineman is going to be heading our way at some point.

4 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Y'know, I think one of the reasons that Howie traded down multiple times in the draft to pick up three extra picks next year (3rd from Miami; 4th from Detroit which was originally ours; 5th from Houston) was because of the possibility that the Eagles might get penalized for the signing of Saquon Barkley. But that didn't happen, and the Eagles actually have a surplus of sorts of picks next year.

I have every reason to believe that this "extra" bit of draft ammo is going to be used either prior to the season or at the trade deadline. Perhaps even both. I suspect another wide receiver or defensive lineman is going to be heading our way at some point.

I think the bigger reason is it was clear that we wouldn't be getting any comp picks in 2025.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm curious what they are as well. Wentz is up there as well, but a first for Sam not top 5?

Kenny Pickett 🤣

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Y'know, I think one of the reasons that Howie traded down multiple times in the draft to pick up three extra picks next year (3rd from Miami; 4th from Detroit which was originally ours; 5th from Houston) was because of the possibility that the Eagles might get penalized for the signing of Saquon Barkley. But that didn't happen, and the Eagles actually have a surplus of sorts of picks next year.

I have every reason to believe that this "extra" bit of draft ammo is going to be used either prior to the season or at the trade deadline. Perhaps even both. I suspect another wide receiver or defensive lineman is going to be heading our way at some point.

I see it differently.  Next year the Eagles have the big cap hits from Kelce and Cox, the first part of the Graham hit.Likely the first or second (larger) of the Bradberry hit, dependent on if he makes the team this year on which of those hit.  Possibly Sweat and Slay cap hits.  That’s serious dead money against the cap with some extensions due (Jurgens, for example) too.  I doubt the Eagles are players in free agency much so I see that draft capital being used for players this coming draft. 

8 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Kenny Pickett is basically an athletic freakbeast of a QB.  He's what I call a tooolsy player.  I mean wha't more important for a QB than his broad jump and his 20 yard split? That's eilte level.  

you attach the passing with the athleticism.  It's something that can be measured.  Others can bring in the detailed analysis of the passer ratings.  I would put Pickett in the mobile category,  with solid athleticism   a 4.73 40 isn't going to mean many big gains, but a 1.56 10 split should be able to pick up some first downs.  above average, sufficient runner, not top tier like Jalen.   Add the running to the passing.  a better runner doesn't have to be as good a passer. 

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

From the sounds of it, he is. From a practical standpoint, can they afford to keep a safety on the roster who offers nothing on ST or future value? Is Tristin McCollum a better option? He's a core ST player and has improved steadily during his time here. He's not starting material, but he's quality depth and ST starter that winning teams need.

My biggest question is whether or not Jordan Davis is living up to any hype and if he should be moved. You hear about Carter, Williams, Ojomo, Tuipulotu...even Booker and Mustipher are getting some mentions lately. I know he's the NT and Tuipulotu is the backup, but could they have enough of a rotation where Davis could be expendable? I just don't hear enough good things about him. He's serviceable but nothing special considering his size and athleticism. Would you swap Jordan Davis for a WR3 and a draft pick? Is there anyone worth trading him for? 

Bradberry and McCollum before Ricks, Jobe.

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Would you swap Jordan Davis for a WR3 and a draft pick? Is there anyone worth trading him for? 

NO

I think its a big year for Davis. He's not really done anything to warrant his first round trade up pick.

I think we could have the same output from any other DT really. 

Wouldn't be surprised if he's traded if he has a bad year.

 

 

7 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Part of it is that at the time, I don’t think it was a huge overpay. We had only just traded for him from STL for Foles, a 2, and a 4. Sam was a starting QB who could have had some franchise QB in him. He would have been our starter had we not traded him. He played alright with us and had a full season without falling apart. What was his actual value? A 2nd? Fringe first? It was great we got a 1 for him, but there have been other moves I found impressive.

Future draft picks worth pennies on the dollar will always be nuts to me. So Even if the points chart says it was right, getting a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for our 2022 1st from NO is a gigantic steal.  And that’s before we factor in hindsight of it becoming Jalen Carter, Cooper Dejean, and Nakobe Dean. I hope teams offer us that deal every year, it’s so stupid.

Slay for a 3 and a 5 has been an absolutely phenomenal trade. he wanted a new deal, but it’s really surprising no one offered more. Maybe they thought he was done. This is probably my #1

Getting more for Carson was bigger than Sam. Sam could play; Carson was spoiled milk. A 1 and a 3 for him was bonkers

This one is actually my #1:  trading away Chip Kelly’s FA trash from 2015 to move up in the 2016 draft was one of the greatest things Howie ever did. Kiko, Byron Maxwell, Demarco Murray… no idea how you convince teams to take those contracts AND get draft capital.

Hmm, will take me a minute to find a fifth but I think it’s there. Maybe getting Sproles for a 5. Everyone knew NO Fed up when they did that. Thats one of those trades where you wonder if Howie cornered Loomis and didn’t let other teams know Sproles was available

People talk about those trades as miraculous but the contracts weren't anywhere near Haynesworth bad, and the players weren't that bad either. Maxwell got royally toasted by Julio Jones his first game, but Jones two TD receptions were the only ones Maxwell gave up all season after that he was solid but unspectacular, he wasn't ultimately worth the contract, but he wasn't a complete bum, Byron Maxwell's contract number of $63million was big and ugly, but his guaranteed was only $25million over 6 years, Miami started him at corner for a year and then released him as he started getting injured for zero dead cap. . I'll never understand why after watching him genuinely excel against us at slot corner when we played Seattle, we insisted on playing him outside almost exclusively.

Kiko Alonso was on his rookie contract and went on to be starting middle linebacker for the Dolphins for 3 years, they placed a first round tender on him as a restricted free agent the year after he arrived and signed him to a 3 year extension, We got a 5 pick move up in the 1st Round they got 2 starting defensive players. 

The Titans got Murray for a swap of 4th rounders and $6million a year and he put up 1650 all purpose yards and 10 TD's the first year, then split carries with Derrick Henry for a year and retired with no dead money.

None of the players were as bad as made out, and honestly their trade's really do call in to question just why Howie wasn't able to find a single trade partner for DJAX coming off a career year a couple of years prior.

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

From the sounds of it, he is. From a practical standpoint, can they afford to keep a safety on the roster who offers nothing on ST or future value? Is Tristin McCollum a better option? He's a core ST player and has improved steadily during his time here. He's not starting material, but he's quality depth and ST starter that winning teams need.

My biggest question is whether or not Jordan Davis is living up to any hype and if he should be moved. You hear about Carter, Williams, Ojomo, Tuipulotu...even Booker and Mustipher are getting some mentions lately. I know he's the NT and Tuipulotu is the backup, but could they have enough of a rotation where Davis could be expendable? I just don't hear enough good things about him. He's serviceable but nothing special considering his size and athleticism. Would you swap Jordan Davis for a WR3 and a draft pick? Is there anyone worth trading him for? 

Davis ended last season on bust watch.  Brain Baldinger went off on how awful he was and felt he shouldn't have been dressing he was that bad.  He only went over 300 snaps his senior year at Georgia so he's never played much.  At 350 plus he probably won't be able to play more than 400 snaps, which is your 4th DT.  Howie spend a 1, 4 and two 5s for him so he'll ride him thru his 5 year deal for better or worse.  Critical year for Davis.  I expect the first 6 games he'll be decent.  Then we have a bye so games 7 and 8 he should have some energy but I think he runs out of gas around the halfway mark of the season.  

3 hours ago, rrfierce said:

I think its a big year for Davis. He's not really done anything to warrant his first round trade up pick.

I think we could have the same output from any other DT really. 

Wouldn't be surprised if he's traded if he has a bad year.

That's my thinking. Can you get the same production out of Tuipuloto and Mustipher or a veteran who doesn't make it past cut down day? I think they probably could. They might not make a flash play here or there that Davis is capable of, but I think a rotation is 100% capable of giving you what he does. At this rate, there's no way they pick up his 5th year option so he's going to walk after 4 years. Get value while you can. 

1 hour ago, weko said:

Davis ended last season on bust watch.  Brain Baldinger went off on how awful he was and felt he shouldn't have been dressing he was that bad.  He only went over 300 snaps his senior year at Georgia so he's never played much.  At 350 plus he probably won't be able to play more than 400 snaps, which is your 4th DT.  Howie spend a 1, 4 and two 5s for him so he'll ride him thru his 5 year deal for better or worse.  Critical year for Davis.  I expect the first 6 games he'll be decent.  Then we have a bye so games 7 and 8 he should have some energy but I think he runs out of gas around the halfway mark of the season.  

Our bye week is in week 5 after just 4 games…not 6

I am going to give some of the guys the benefit of the doubt due to a horrific coaching mess last season.  It was the very definition of dysfunction.  I would not be surprised to see Kevin Byard look a lot better this year in Chicago than he did in Philly last year.  Nobody looked good in that mess.

All that said, I could not agree more that this is a very big year for Davis.  I expect him to last a lot longer than halfway through the season… If he doesn’t, shame on him. 

8 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think the bigger reason is it was clear that we wouldn't be getting any comp picks in 2025.

Yup

and now i gave to wonder if the vikings will have a fire sale to load up for next yr

15 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Our bye week is in week 5 after just 4 games…not 6

I am going to give some of the guys the benefit of the doubt due to a horrific coaching mess last season.  It was the very definition of dysfunction.  I would not be surprised to see Kevin Byard look a lot better this year in Chicago than he did in Philly last year.  Nobody looked good in that mess.

All that said, I could not agree more that this is a very big year for Davis.  I expect him to last a lot longer than halfway through the season… If he doesn’t, shame on him. 

I think Davis will excel in Fangios scheme and with some continued maturity and development. Especially with Carter next to him

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think Davis will excel in Fangios scheme and with some continued maturity and development. Especially with Carter next to him

I'd be interested to see if the new DL coach, Clint Hurtt, makes a difference.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'd be interested to see if the new DL coach, Clint Hurtt, makes a difference.

Williams is my sleeper for impact DL. Inthink he fits the 5T perfectly