1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Completely disagree… Quarterbacks always have trade value when there is not a ridiculous contract attached to them.  That is not the case for either of them.  They may not have high draft pick value, or even mid pick value… But they do have value.  I think you’re being a little bit hyperbolic with that take
 

 

 

If teams aren’t slapping hope of being their starter on a qb, they don’t put much value on them and tend to prefer the scrap heap.  The eagles are an exception to that, valuing backup qb higher than starting LB, etc.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Like it. Funny how JTO thinks he is surging up the depth chart. Maybe anywhere but here with the weird, frustrating loyalty to certain players. 

McKee is on a four-year deal, signed through 2026.  He’s 24 years-old, and I don’t see a big rush to get him into regular season games this year.  Hurts will either have a bounce-back season this year or the team will have some decisions to make at QB for the long term.  Pickett, OTOH, is only under contract through 2025 and has already flamed out at starting QB in one stop.

I agree with your assessment that the Eagles likely see Pickett as a one-year stop gap #2 in case Hurts has more injury issues.  They don’t evaluate McKee being as ready to start NFL games at this point, but he is showing that he can be a longer term prospect.  All 3 will be on the roster this season and the Eagles may want McKee to usurp Pickett’s spot at some point during this year.

50 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Backup QB is more important than 3rd WR.  3rd WR is the most overblown thing on this board. 

At least we have a seemingly competent backup behind our starting QB.  Who do we have behind AJ and Devonta that we can count on?

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Ojomo, Booker, Mustipher and Tuipulotu all looked good last night. I'd be more than comfortable with a rotation of those 4 instead of waiting for Jordan Davis to find it.

I too would like to keep all 4 of those guys.  Maybe trade Tuipuloto as you cant keep 7 DTs.  Davis may be a bust so we need to keep Mustipher as a back up nose and Booker looked great last nite.  

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I didn't realize the NFL finally changed the IR rules and you can now put someone on IR concurrently with cutting the roster down to 53. It's about time, I always thought that rule made absolutely no sense. 

They have always been able to IR at the time of cut downs.  But they have added "designated to return” that can be up to two players. The NFL released the following regarding the designated to return rules:

The parties have negotiated in good faith and agree to the following. Clubs are permitted to "designate for return" up to eight (8) players for return from the
Reserve/Injured List and/or the Reserve/Non-Football Injury/Illness List to the Club's 53-player Active/Inactive List or from the Practice Squad/Injured List to the Practice Squad. Clubs are permitted to "designate for return" an additional two (2) players during the postseason (for the sake of clarity, if a Club participating in the postseason has not used any "designations" during the regular season, that Club is permitted to "designate for return" up to ten (10) players). A player may be designated for return a maximum of two (2) times in one (1) season, but each designation will count against the Club's eight (8) permissible designations (or ten (10) including the postseason). A player designated for return from the Reserve/Injured List or the Reserve/Non-Football Injury/Illness List is eligible to return to practice or the Active/Inactive List after four (4) games have elapsed since the date he was placed on the applicable Reserve List. A player designated for return from the Practice Squad/Injured List is eligible to return to the Practice Squad after four (4) games have elapsed since the date he was placed on the Practice Squad/Injured List.

June 12, 2024 Clubs are permitted to designate for return a maximum of two (2) players who are placed on an applicable Reserve List during the business day of the final roster reduction. Such designation must be reported at the time of the Reserve List placement and will count against the Club's maximum number of designations. Such a player must be reported as "Returned to Practice" on the first day that the player returns to practice. Clubs are permitted to designate for return players who are placed on an applicable Reserve List after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the day following the final roster reduction, or any business day thereafter. A player who is eligible to return must be reported as "Designated for Return" and "Returned to Practice" on the first day that the player returns to practice.
This agreement shall take effect immediately. For the sake of clarity, if the parties do not agree to extend this letter agreement to apply beyond the 2024 season, the May 17, 2022 letter agreement will continue

2 hours ago, hukdonfoniks said:

At least we have a seemingly competent backup behind our starting QB.  Who do we have behind AJ and Devonta that we can count on?

 

We are loaded with skill positions.  AJ, DeVonta, Goedert, Barkley.  We have top level talent all around the skill positions.  

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

We are loaded with skill positions.  AJ, DeVonta, Goedert, Barkley.  We have top level talent all around the skill positions.  

I'm not talking about all skill positions.  I'm talking about our wide receivers, specifically.  If our 3rd WR is the most overblown thing on this board, who are the players behind AJ and Devonta you feel so good about?  Because Campbell and Ross haven't done a thing, and we've got our return specialist and a late-round rookie behind them. 

11 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

I'm not talking about all skill positions.  I'm talking about our wide receivers, specifically.  If our 3rd WR is the most overblown thing on this board, who are the players behind AJ and Devonta you feel so good about?  Because Campbell and Ross haven't done a thing, and we've got our return specialist and a late-round rookie behind them. 

I feel far more comfortable given the level of talent across the offense being able to continue on without one of them then I wpuld Kenny Pickett at QB.

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Not to rub it in, but the pick the Eagles gave the Steelers for Pickett, they took Payton Wilson. His knees are worrisome, but he's a terrific talent at LB. Next pick was Kam Kinchens, Luke McCaffery, Ja'Tavion Sanders, Troy Franklin, Cedric Gray, Theo Johnson, Javon Baker all within the next 15 picks. 

They had a QB2 on the roster in Tanner McKee. With the pick they gave Pittsburgh, they could have brought in WR3, TE2, LB. Javon Baker has WR1/2 potential. Troy Franklin is a weapon. Would much rather any of those players on the team instead of Kenny Pickett.

That 2024 pick was parlayed into the Dolphins 2025 third round choice.  So a 2024 third round comp pick and two 2025 seventh rounders for a proven NFL starter with a winning record for two years on a rookie salary plus a 2025 third that will be better than a comp pick.  Think the Eagles came out ahead on this.  

Folks are overreacting to his PS performance where he is targeting specific players to help with evaluation. Go look at the gamebook on PE.com and see who he targeted. These are players Pickett has been throwing to only from third phase OTAs and TC.  Then look at who McKee was targeting in the third quarter.  Pretty much the players he worked with all last year off the PS (Ngata, Jenkins and Nichols) and against much lower level defenders.  

There were some on here that wanted to draft Pickett and replace Hurts with him.  I wasn’t one of those. But would I have spent a comp third on him in his draft for a back up?  Yep.  

Frankly, I think we got better value than the cowpads did for Trey Lance. Frankly, I hope I never see Pickett or McKee taking anything more than garbage time snaps for the Eagles and in PS.  But I would rather see Pickett than Lance (bigger contract), Mariota (bigger contract) or Lock (bigger contract). Further we have Pickett for two years and each of our NFCE competitors only have their backups signed for one year and each of those other NFCE teams is paying more than the Eagles are for Pickett and a year of McKee’s salary. 

BTW I am not sure I wouldn’t say I would rather have McKee than Lance, Mariota or Lock. Hell, I remember when Grier was blowing it up in preseason for the cowpads.  He was pick 100 in 2019 so that’s what a third round QB looks like folks.  I am not sure I wouldn’t take him over Lock, Mariota or Lance and he’s not good enough to make the Eagles. (I’d be tempted to PS him but I would also shop him if I were Howie because he might draw a third day draft choice offer.) BTW, Grier’s contract is higher than McKee’s.  Want a good belly laugh?  Pickett + McKee + Grier salaries for 2024 combined are less than any of the NFCE competitors salary for any of their second string back ups. 

9 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Kenny Pickett looks like Morgan Wallen

Damn near spit out my wine because that’s pretty spot on. 

8 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Non Football related, but I'm gonna post this here anyway (along with having posted it in WU).

With regard to my mother's stage 4 lung cancer:

A week or so ago, we went in for another CT scan to check on the cancer and today we had the appointment with the oncologist. The CT scan came back clean. After 5 years and 2 months of chemo (and her first oncologist refusing further treatment 3 years ago so that she could live out her days), the cancer is gone. 

She has to keep taking the oral chemo pills, to keep it gone. But the cancer no longer shows up in the CT scan.

Awesome.  I am so happy for you and her.  Folks, that is one tough mother.  From all of us, please let her know we admire her perseverance.  Phenomenal lady.  I am humbled by her accomplishment.  

I can see the future and it is only a matter of time before some player is branded for not being as tough as VA’s mom (most aren’t.) (There’s the football related.) 

9 hours ago, just relax said:

Almost certainly. i have a post up that addresses some of these issues.

Yup, I agree.  Kelce did and now Cam and Dylan (should he have to play) do the majority of pulling.  Suspect Becton like Dickerson might occasionally and we will be fine.  I have the same concern you do about him playing a tad high. 

5 hours ago, hukdonfoniks said:

I'm not talking about all skill positions.  I'm talking about our wide receivers, specifically.  If our 3rd WR is the most overblown thing on this board, who are the players behind AJ and Devonta you feel so good about?  Because Campbell and Ross haven't done a thing, and we've got our return specialist and a late-round rookie behind them. 

Not sure Moore wants to be so Wr centric. I think we are fine so long as one of the two is on the field. But agree they did a lousy job looking for depth this past offseason

McKee plays like hes trying to win the job, Pickett plays like hes trying not to lose the job.

Bechton was an 11 overall pick as a LT prospect who worked out very well and had the longest arms in the draft.  If he has problems with agility and pass pro as a right guard, then I’d say it’s purely a conditioning and technique issue.

There is a lot of baggage associated with turning a near top 10 pick who was supposed to be your LT of the future into a RG.  So there is a reason that couldn’t really happen with the Jets.  The wakeup call of a new team and Stoutland should be enough to rectify conditioning and technique problems, barring any major personality/apathy issues.

So it’s not surprising and certainly not disappointing that he’s projecting as the starting RG.  

My question is if he can stabilize his NFL career at RG, then really chisel himself into better shape…is if he can get a look at RT once Lane retires.  He obviously has the raw ability for it.  And it’s a heck of a lot easier to turn around in a year or 2 and find a high end RG than a high end RT.

Some teams view a backup QB like bringing a parachute on a commercial airliner.  It’s not going to save your life.  

The caveat to that is that it did just that for the greatest moment in Philly sports history.  But that’s not exactly something anyone is willing to actually invest in.  

Preseason is pretty useless these days for projecting anything about the team.  The only thing I’d say we learned this entire offseason is that the stock is down on some key recent draft picks…Steen, Dean, Smith.  Steen doesn’t sting so much because Bechton is somewhat exciting.  But pass rushers are expensive.  Howie does it all the time, but it stings to potentially whiff on one in the first round.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Bechton was an 11 overall pick as a LT prospect who worked out very well and had the longest arms in the draft.  If he has problems with agility and pass pro as a right guard, then I’d say it’s purely a conditioning and technique issue.

There is a lot of baggage associated with turning a near top 10 pick who was supposed to be your LT of the future into a RG.  So there is a reason that couldn’t really happen with the Jets.  The wakeup call of a new team and Stoutland should be enough to rectify conditioning and technique problems, barring any major personality/apathy issues.

So it’s not surprising and certainly not disappointing that he’s projecting as the starting RG.  

My question is if he can stabilize his NFL career at RG, then really chisel himself into better shape…is if he can get a look at RT once Lane retires.  He obviously has the raw ability for it.  And it’s a heck of a lot easier to turn around in a year or 2 and find a high end RG than a high end RT.

Interesting thought especially since Keegan looks so promising.

I know this is probably a stupid question.  Would it be worth kicking the tires on Desean Jackson and coaxing him out of retirement?  He might be able to contribute more than the dreck we have at WR3 right now.  He certainly knows the position.  Question would be durability and remaining speed.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Preseason is pretty useless these days for projecting anything about the team.  The only thing I’d say we learned this entire offseason is that the stock is down on some key recent draft picks…Steen, Dean, Smith.  Steen doesn’t sting so much because Bechton is somewhat exciting.  But pass rushers are expensive.  Howie does it all the time, but it stings to potentially whiff on one in the first round.

Stock up on Ringo, McKee, Ojomo, McCollum, Hunt, etc

The point of having more picks is that if you miss on some guys, you're fine. If Smith is a disappointment, but Hunt takes his spot and he's good who cares? 

A big problem in recent years is too many 5 man classes. If you miss like we did in 2019, it's ROUGH. 

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not sure Moore wants to be so Wr centric. I think we are fine so long as one of the two is on the field. But agree they did a lousy job looking for depth this past offseason

Tbh they’ve done a lousy job in general with the WR 3 position the last two years. I got 2022 seeing if quez could be that guy and flourish in it with aj brown and smith on the roster. However he wasn’t good in 2022 after the commanders game where he fumbled. They went back to him and zaccheaus. I like zaccheus as a 4/5 but not as your 3rd wr and especially not if aj or smith go down. Watkins wasn’t good and Julio is basically a shell of his former self.

im fine with developing smith and Wilson but don’t think either when picked were guys ready to be thrusted into wr 3 role this year. And Campbell has had injury concerns in the past and Ross has been a bust most of his career. I just hope they don’t wait til the trade deadline to see if it works out and get it done prior to the season. I think they’ll be some guys available like slayton (giants save 3.5 mil if they move off of him), Marshall, Lazard, Robert woods (might be done at this point like Julio), burks (reports he could be cut— although been a bust). Free agency has renfrow (not sure if he’s done or if it was just mcdaniels and the raiders) and Thomas (who seemingly is always injured) 

18 minutes ago, Grump99 said:

I know this is probably a stupid question.  Would it be worth kicking the tires on Desean Jackson and coaxing him out of retirement?  He might be able to contribute more than the dreck we have at WR3 right now.  He certainly knows the position.  Question would be durability and remaining speed.

No.

Claypool released by the Bills📉💥

I didn't see this earlier, but McKee said it was the coaches plan before the game that he would go back in after Grier.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Interesting thought especially since Keegan looks so promising.

I hadn't thought about the whole big picture. I  was just thinking Keegan is the future RG and Becton didn't have a home. While not ideal, maybe the future is what you said. Becton at RT, Keegan at RG. By this time, Fred Johnson will be nearly 30 so Steen could become OL6. Not ideal use of a 3rd round pick but if they get a 1st round talent at RT in Becton by accident, it helps Steens backup status. 

Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Keegan, Becton very well could be the OL in a few years. Steen and McMahon the top backups. 2024 first though! Way ahead of myself.