Caleb Williams is pretty good

48 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Rodgers will be locked up if he plays great. They won't just let a young stud walk.

Barnett played pretty well for them last year. Of course he leaves and performs well.

We just weren't using him last year. With how the defense wore down late in the season, I think it's safe to say it was a mistake to not have him more involved in the rotation before he was released. When he arrived on the Texans, he had fresh legs and played very well for them. 

17 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Caleb Williams is pretty good

Frankly if the bears Oline is solid, they have the weapons to succeed with Allen, Moore, odunze, kmet and swift. Their defense was really good down the stretch granted they played a bunch of lackluster offenses besides the Lions (one game lions offense got 29 but some of that was fields; other game bears really smothered them) 

Pickett isn't as bad as the peanut gallery is saying, but he is proving the point that we overinvest in our backup QBs.

Most of the NFL has a fairly binary approach to the QB position.  You go all in on your starter, and you find the best fit, most reliable guy to back him up that just happens to be available.

Howie, on the other hand, will go out and pursue a backup QB with meaningful resources.  Say all you want that the position is important.  That it's more important than WR3 or LB or whatever.  And maybe you are right.  But Howie, obviously, isn't going to invest a first or second round pick or $15m in a backup QB.  So if you aren't investing that, unless you just get some freakish luck, you aren't getting a QB that is going to be a quality player in the NFL.  You are either getting someone who pretty clearly lacks the ingredients to play the position well or who has started before and proven they can't do it.  

Whether you value the position or not, that's what you ARE getting.  And that's what Pickett is.  The frustration isn't that Pickett is proving to be what we already knew he was...a not very good QB...it's that we traded a 3rd and two 7's for Pickett and a 4.

I forgot we signed Julian Okwara. Hes been a ghost 

Look at it from the Steeler's perspective.  

Out:
Pickett
2024 4th, 2025 6th that could (won't) become a 5

In:
Fields
2024 3rd, 2025 7, 2025 7

 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Pickett isn't as bad as the peanut gallery is saying, but he is proving the point that we overinvest in our backup QBs.

Most of the NFL has a fairly binary approach to the QB position.  You go all in on your starter, and you find the best fit, most reliable guy to back him up that just happens to be available.

Howie, on the other hand, will go out and pursue a backup QB with meaningful resources.  Say all you want that the position is important.  That it's more important than WR3 or LB or whatever.  And maybe you are right.  But Howie, obviously, isn't going to invest a first or second round pick or $15m in a backup QB.  So if you aren't investing that, unless you just get some freakish luck, you aren't getting a QB that is going to be a quality player in the NFL.  You are either getting someone who pretty clearly lacks the ingredients to play the position well or who has started before and proven they can't do it.  

Whether you value the position or not, that's what you ARE getting.  And that's what Pickett is.  The frustration isn't that Pickett is proving to be what we already knew he was...a not very good QB...it's that we traded a 3rd and two 7's for Pickett and a 4.

We won a SB thanks to Howie's approach. 

19 hours ago, T-1000 said:

People whining over the Eagles essentially giving up the value of a late 4th round pick for Kenny Pickett should really look up the Eagles last 10 4th round picks, and also maybe re-evaluate their lives. Someone actually said "4th round picks are REALLY valuable." Oh no, we might have missed out on the next Zech McPherson or Kvon Wallace. Bunch of whining drama queens.

I’d rather have Justin Fields for a 6th. He’s a much better fit too. 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Pickett isn't as bad as the peanut gallery is saying, but he is proving the point that we overinvest in our backup QBs.

 

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

We won a SB thanks to Howie's approach. 

Sort of.  We won a SB thanks to Foles as the backup qb.

If we really want to get technical, the Eagles divested from the backup QB position in 2017.

They had Chase Daniel as the backup qb on an expensive placeholder/pseudostarter deal with Wentz as the starter.  He was expensive and unhappy to not start.  He was released and Foles came in off the scrap heap after contemplating retirement on a much smaller deal.

So I wouldn't exactly say Howie's approach of valuing backup QB won us a SB.  The backup QB won us a SB and the approach to the position followed after 2017.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I forgot we signed Julian Okwara. Hes been a ghost 

Tbh i forgot we signed Oren Burks 

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Pickett isn't as bad as the peanut gallery is saying, but he is proving the point that we overinvest in our backup QBs.

Most of the NFL has a fairly binary approach to the QB position.  You go all in on your starter, and you find the best fit, most reliable guy to back him up that just happens to be available.

Howie, on the other hand, will go out and pursue a backup QB with meaningful resources.  Say all you want that the position is important.  That it's more important than WR3 or LB or whatever.  And maybe you are right.  But Howie, obviously, isn't going to invest a first or second round pick or $15m in a backup QB.  So if you aren't investing that, unless you just get some freakish luck, you aren't getting a QB that is going to be a quality player in the NFL.  You are either getting someone who pretty clearly lacks the ingredients to play the position well or who has started before and proven they can't do it.  

Whether you value the position or not, that's what you ARE getting.  And that's what Pickett is.  The frustration isn't that Pickett is proving to be what we already knew he was...a not very good QB...it's that we traded a 3rd and two 7's for Pickett and a 4.

Equivalent of a mid-4th rd pick. Big deal.

Your backup QB is worth it if he wins you a game or two while your starter is dinged.

And I've seen some dreadful backup QBs over the years, but I also saw Kevin Kolb, Jeff Garcia, get them to the playoffs.

2006:  Garcia 5-1

2009:  Kolb 1-1

2010:  Kolb 2-3

2013:  Foles 8-2

2017:  Foles 2-1, 3-0 post-season

2018:  Foles 4-1

2021:  Minshew 1-1

2022:  Minshew 0-2

 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sort of.  We won a SB thanks to Foles as the backup qb.

If we really want to get technical, the Eagles divested from the backup QB position in 2017.

They had Chase Daniel as the backup qb on an expensive placeholder/pseudostarter deal with Wentz as the starter.  He was expensive and unhappy to not start.  He was released and Foles came in off the scrap heap after contemplating retirement on a much smaller deal.

So I wouldn't exactly say Howie's approach of valuing backup QB won us a SB.  The backup QB won us a SB and the approach to the position followed after 2017.

It was a cheaper deal than Daniel's, but only by a bit. After the Super Bowl win, we restructured Foles' contract to give him a raise despite intending for Wentz to be the franchise QB and starter. It quite nearly paid off again in 2018 except for an ill-timed Jeffery drop. 

Anyway, I think "divested" is a word that doesn't fit what the Eagles did. They unloaded a QB that they spent too much on and in their minds upgraded the backup position by bringing in Foles regardless of the lesser contract required. The two moves happened because of each other. We upgraded and saved money at the same time initially. 

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It was a cheaper deal than Daniel's, but only by a bit. After the Super Bowl win, we restructured Foles' contract to give him a raise despite intending for Wentz to be the franchise QB and starter. It quite nearly paid off again in 2018 except for an ill-timed Jeffery drop. 

Anyway, I think "divested" is a word that doesn't fit what the Eagles did. They unloaded a QB that they spent too much on and in their minds upgraded the backup position by bringing in Foles regardless of the lesser contract required. The two moves happened because of each other. We upgraded and saved money at the same time initially. 

 

Pickett is no upgrade from McKee at backup QB.

If Pickett was a 4th rounder instead of a first he probably wouldn't be in the NFL right now. He hasn't looked good at all in any capacity with the Steelers or Eagles and I think the only reason people hold out hope for him is because of where he was drafted. Which is irrelevant at this point. Reagor was a first rounder. Some guys just suck. He's not accurate, he's not overly mobile, he has a rag arm, small hands, terrible awareness and pocket presence, holds the ball too long. Is there even one thing he does well?

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

What was his RAS score?

 

What did he score with PFF as a WR that game?  Gotta be the highest ever for a WR too, you'd think.  Or was he more of an H-back on that play?

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Pickett is no upgrade from McKee at backup QB.

I'm kind of taking a middle road stance here. I like McKee. I also liked Sudfeld as the QB3. But McKee hasn't really done anything just yet to definitively say he should be the guy at QB2. He had some nice moments last year in the preseason and again a few days ago. But he does have the advantage over Pickett in that he has some familiarity with some of the coaching staff and teammates. Pickett is in the process of catching up in that aspect and has also been asked to play against opponents' 1st and 2nd string defenses while McKee has been able to play against the bottom-feeders. 

The blocking Pickett received was trash Thursday. Did he hold the ball to long? Probably, but that tends to happen when young QBs don't feel confident in the pass protection. There's kind of a mental disconnect that tends to make them hesitant. Pickett needs to study that game tape and use it to better his game. It's a process that takes time and I have no expectations that he's going to come out next week and play like an All-Pro. I just want to see if he can put the mistakes behind him and play better. 

I think people (fans) try too hard to create villains on their own team to root against at times and this seems like one of those times. If for some reason Hurts has to leave a game, I think Pickett would perform better than he did Thursday simply because he'd have competent blocking and very good weapons around him. If the entire 2nd team offense from Thursday's game had to come into a regular season game because the entire starting team had food poisoning, I would expect Pickett to struggle again. 

40 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I’d rather have Justin Fields for a 6th. He’s a much better fit too. 

If you’re calling QB run every play

UNDEFEATED! 

told you guys

you never listen

Not investing in a backup QB killed the Jets' season last year. The Chargers were hanging around until Herbert got hurt. 

The Rams won the SB in 2021. 2022 rolls around, Stafford gets hurt and they suddenly have a bottom 5 team.

Not having a good backup QB can be a season-killer. 

32 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It was a cheaper deal than Daniel's, but only by a bit. After the Super Bowl win, we restructured Foles' contract to give him a raise despite intending for Wentz to be the franchise QB and starter. It quite nearly paid off again in 2018 except for an ill-timed Jeffery drop. 

Anyway, I think "divested" is a word that doesn't fit what the Eagles did. They unloaded a QB that they spent too much on and in their minds upgraded the backup position by bringing in Foles regardless of the lesser contract required. The two moves happened because of each other. We upgraded and saved money at the same time initially. 

As to what you’re replying to, Chase Daniel was gleefully happy not to be a starter.  He is unquestionably the worst NFL player to ever have a 13-year career.  He started 10 games in 13 years, was lousy in all of them, and was lousy in every preseason game I ever saw him in.  
 

It was Nate Sudfeld who asked to move on for an opportunity elsewhere, because he resided in the fairyland of make believe where he thought he was good enough to be an NFL starter.  He believed in the 19-for-23 stat line, and didn’t believe in the 0 points he put up.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I forgot we signed Julian Okwara. Hes been a ghost 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Not investing in a backup QB killed the Jets' season last year. The Chargers were hanging around until Herbert got hurt. 

The Rams won the SB in 2021. 2022 rolls around, Stafford gets hurt and they suddenly have a bottom 5 team.

Not having a good backup QB can be a season-killer. 

 

Eagles had a good backup QB.  Now he's been pushed to 3rd on the depth chart and they have a bad backup QB.