50 minutes ago, RLC said:

Not investing in a backup QB killed the Jets' season last year. The Chargers were hanging around until Herbert got hurt. 

The Rams won the SB in 2021. 2022 rolls around, Stafford gets hurt and they suddenly have a bottom 5 team.

Not having a good backup QB can be a season-killer. 

Just saying what backup Qb was going to save the jets season from being what they thought of as Super Bowl contenders with Rodgers?  No backup was going to save them for 17 games and the playoffs. They’d have been better but they weren’t going to just replace Rodgers with a backup Qb and still be the team they saw with Rodgers.

also the chargers were 5-8 when Herbert got hurt. A good backup Qb wasn’t changing their fortunes. That team had injuries to Allen and Mike Williams missed the entire year. And their head coach in Staley was an idiot.

dont get me wrong i am all for having a high caliber backup Qb. But most good backup QBs can help you’d survive a month but if it goes into more then you are likely gambling on if big issues don’t arise. 

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Chuck Nolan

 

Nolan Smith has recorded a sack in each of the first two preseason games, which is noteworthy, but I want to see more of the second-year edge against starting-caliber tackles. He has obvious speed. He has the motor. But he’s not big or powerful. He’s going to need better moves to offset what he lacks in strength.

 

Smith had a couple of pressures in team drills, once knifing inside right tackle Lane Johnson. He should have been credited for a sack of Hurts off a stunt. But he failed to impress during one-on-ones vs. rookie tackle Gottlieb Ayedze, who was just brought into camp. They faced each other three straight times and I had Ayedze winning each rep. That can be how it goes in the games. But Smith needs to show more, unless he’s saving his best stuff for when it counts.

From McLane.

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying what backup Qb was going to save the jets season from being what they thought of as Super Bowl contenders with Rodgers?  No backup was going to save them for 17 games and the playoffs. They’d have been better but they weren’t going to just replace Rodgers with a backup Qb and still be the team they saw with Rodgers.

also the chargers were 5-8 when Herbert got hurt. A good backup Qb wasn’t changing their fortunes. That team had injuries to Allen and Mike Williams missed the entire year. And their head coach in Staley was an idiot.

dont get me wrong i am all for having a high caliber backup Qb. But most good backup QBs can help you’d survive a month but if it goes into more then you are likely gambling on if big issues don’t arise. 

Kyle Shanahan says you need TWO high caliber backup QBs.

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

Kyle Shanahan says you need TWO high caliber backup QBs.

I think he just meant 2 backup QBs and he needed the NFL to make it so one of them didn't use up an active spot on gameday. Otherwise that would have been impossible ...

11 minutes ago, just relax said:

Kyle Shanahan says you need TWO high caliber backup QBs.

Imo most backup QBs don’t become like Brock purdy. Unless you drafting them like mahomes or mcnabb and just sitting them for a year. Like Tom Brady was a backup and became the best Qb of all time. Not sure you should be banking on your backups being like that. If you get guys that can be competent for a month without your starter i think it’s a success for your backup Qb.

imo the Niners are super fortunate that they took Brock Purdy in the 7th round and he panned out. Because if he didn’t, Trey Lance was/is not capable. And Jimmy Garoppolo and Kyle Shanahan seem to have issues by the end of his tenure. And he wasnt really the long-term answer either. They would be a crap load of trouble if they didnt have him. It’s why I’m fine with Pickett and McKee. I also am not expecting either to pan out to be purdy, brady or even Foles. If we get a solid couple weeks of hurts goes down I’d be happy. If hurts goes down for the year early i think we are likely in trouble. 

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

From McLane.

Smith has a lot to learn but has talent and he plays really hard. He wants it. I look at him and see a smaller Brandon Graham. I believe he’ll get there, not to BG’s level, but still a plus player. It looks to me like he’s trying to bounce off blocks, reset and come back faster, rather than stack and shed. He’s not big enough for the latter. Even so, he is noticeably better at setting the edge.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again most backup QBs don’t become like Brock purdy. Unless you drafting them like mahomes or mcnabb and just sitting them for a year. Like Tom Brady was a backup and became the best Qb of all time. Not sure you should be banking on your backups being like that. If you get guys that can be competent for a month without your starter i think it’s a success for your backup Qb.

imo the Niners are super fortunate that they took Brock Purdy in the 7th round and he panned out. Because if he didn’t, Trey Lance was/is not capable. And Jimmy Garoppolo and Kyle Shanahan seem to have issues by the end of his tenure. And he wasnt really the long-term answer either. They would be a crap load of trouble if they didnt have him. It’s why I’m fine with Pickett and McKee. I also am not expecting either to pan out to be purdy, brady or even Foles. If we get a solid couple weeks of hurts goes down I’d be happy. If hurts goes down for the year early i think we are likely in trouble. 

Frankly, I think Purdue is purely a product of the system. He’s got a mediocre arm but he can play Shanahan’s system, which is mostly one read and quick throws with a lot of motion and a great run game.

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I think he just meant 2 backup QBs and he needed the NFL to make it so one of them didn't use up an active spot on gameday. Otherwise that would have been impossible ...

That was mostly a joke on my part. Twist the knife a little.

Just now, just relax said:

Frankly, I think Purdue is purely a product of the system. He’s got a mediocre arm but he can play Shanahan’s system, which is mostly one read and quick throws with a lot of motion and a great run game.

I don’t necessarily disagree. However he does what he is asked and he runs it to the way shanahan wants him too. Which frankly i think was an issue between jimmy g and shanahan. Imo he’s better than lance ever was. Niners still fortunate he’s capable of doing it. They had guys before jimmy G and when jimmy G got hurt that just couldn’t. And if Purdy was just bad then that swing and miss with Lance looks far worse and they’d be using a lot of resources to solve that issue. 

I think Nolan Smith's biggest problem is that people can't separate the player from the draft pick. 

He is doing fine for a backup edge rusher. If he was a fifth round pick, people would be fine with his play. But the expectations for him are higher as a first rounder. 

But expectations don't always match reality, and if his ceiling is a backup edge, at least he's doing that at a respectable level. 

54 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

From McLane.

Chuck Nolan from the movie Cast Away is a writer now?

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think Nolan Smith's biggest problem is that people can't separate the player from the draft pick. 

He is doing fine for a backup edge rusher. If he was a fifth round pick, people would be fine with his play. But the expectations for him are higher as a first rounder. 

But expectations don't always match reality, and if his ceiling is a backup edge, at least he's doing that at a respectable level. 

Following the early path of Derek Barnett. Not quite as bad as people said; just not worthy of 1st Rd status.

2 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

I’d rather have Justin Fields for a 6th. He’s a much better fit too. 

He is but it wouldn’t work. If Hurts played a poor game there would be clamoring for Fields to play. 

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think Nolan Smith's biggest problem is that people can't separate the player from the draft pick. 

He is doing fine for a backup edge rusher. If he was a fifth round pick, people would be fine with his play. But the expectations for him are higher as a first rounder. 

But expectations don't always match reality, and if his ceiling is a backup edge, at least he's doing that at a respectable level. 

At this rate, he's basically Marcus Smith. If he's a backup as a 1st rounder, that's just a bad draft pick. We SHOULD have higher expectations for him because he is a 1st round pick, not a 5th round pick. 

No need to play Hurts or any of the Eagles starters in the pre-season. I hate that the Eagles don't think they need to. Don't care how good they look in practice. It's a brand new offense and getting live game action will only help them. If the guy below can play, so can the Eagles.

 

 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No need to play Hurts or any of the Eagles starters in the pre-season. I hate that the Eagles don't think they need to. Don't care how good they look in practice. It's a brand new offense and getting live game action will only help them. If the guy below can play, so can the Eagles.

 

 

I don’t think showing him throw a behind the back pass in preseason is helping to justify that the starters play. 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t think showing him throw a behind the back pass in preseason is helping to justify that the starters play. 

Disagree. Hurts needs to raise his swag levels 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying what backup Qb was going to save the jets season from being what they thought of as Super Bowl contenders with Rodgers?  No backup was going to save them for 17 games and the playoffs. They’d have been better but they weren’t going to just replace Rodgers with a backup Qb and still be the team they saw with Rodgers.

also the chargers were 5-8 when Herbert got hurt. A good backup Qb wasn’t changing their fortunes. That team had injuries to Allen and Mike Williams missed the entire year. And their head coach in Staley was an idiot.

dont get me wrong i am all for having a high caliber backup Qb. But most good backup QBs can help you’d survive a month but if it goes into more then you are likely gambling on if big issues don’t arise. 

May have been as simple as Flacco or Wentz who were both just sitting their while the jets wasted time with Wilson. Flacco already has 1 Super Bowl win thanks to a great defense. Even Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler have rings for the same reason. When you have one of the best defenses, you only need a QB with confidence, not some pitiful kid that's afraid to even start. 

27 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

At this rate, he's basically Marcus Smith. If he's a backup as a 1st rounder, that's just a bad draft pick. We SHOULD have higher expectations for him because he is a 1st round pick, not a 5th round pick. 

I don't expect him to be a career backup. But he was a late 1st round pick, not some top 10 guy. All the scouting reports said he was a work in progress as a pass rusher and I expect he'll improve in that area each year during his rookie contract. He doesn't need to be a "starter" to be a key contributor this season. 

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

At this rate, he's basically Marcus Smith.

I don't think this is accurate. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

May have been as simple as Flacco or Wentz who were both just sitting their while the jets wasted time with Wilson. Flacco already has 1 Super Bowl win thanks to a great defense. Even Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler have rings for the same reason. When you have one of the best defenses, you only need a QB with confidence, not some pitiful kid that's afraid to even start. 

No offense i don’t think wentz nor Flacco were holding up for 17 games then a postseason and winning it all. You saw what happened with the browns and Flacco.  He was fine during the last 5 games of the regular season and they played well. Then they got to the playoffs and they got smoked 45-14. I agree wentz and Flacco better than Wilson, but i don’t think either wentz or Flacco are making them Super Bowl contenders like with Rodgers 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying what backup Qb was going to save the jets season from being what they thought of as Super Bowl contenders with Rodgers?  No backup was going to save them for 17 games and the playoffs. They’d have been better but they weren’t going to just replace Rodgers with a backup Qb and still be the team they saw with Rodgers.

also the chargers were 5-8 when Herbert got hurt. A good backup Qb wasn’t changing their fortunes. That team had injuries to Allen and Mike Williams missed the entire year. And their head coach in Staley was an idiot.

dont get me wrong i am all for having a high caliber backup Qb. But most good backup QBs can help you’d survive a month but if it goes into more then you are likely gambling on if big issues don’t arise. 

They already had Zach Wilson too they might as well see if they can get anything out of him while they can . That was a win it all with Rodgers or nothing with the jets. 

I think the problem with Smith is he's not big enough to play the edge on run downs.

Now if he can play in space, he can be WOLB in the 5-2 as a base defense, then shift to 4-2-5 on passing downs.

Now Hunt has shown he has a future as a true SOLB b/c he's comfortable in space, Smith is still a question mark.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No offense i don’t think wentz nor Flacco were holding up for 17 games then a postseason and winning it all. You saw what happened with the browns and Flacco.  He was fine during the last 5 games of the regular season and they played well. Then they got to the playoffs and they got smoked 45-14. I agree wentz and Flacco better than Wilson, but i don’t think either wentz or Flacco are making them Super Bowl contenders like with Rodgers 

Neither player is Rodgers, obviously, but they had some weapons on offense and just weren't doing much to help the defense because of the liability at QB. Last year was a wasted opportunity because of their QB play.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think the problem with Smith is he's not big enough to play the edge on run downs.

Now if he can play in space, he can be WOLB in the 5-2 as a base defense, then shift to 4-2-5 on passing downs.

Now Hunt has shown he has a future as a true SOLB b/c he's comfortable in space, Smith is still a question mark.

The thing about Smith is his run defense was his strength as a prospect. Pass rusher was the area that needed progressing at the NFL level.