3 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

you think i'm making points with these?

So you admit it’s just spam?

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

 

6'4 - good height

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So you admit it’s just spam?

most, or often. of the time, those go out to drop data into a conversation.  but nobody was saying anything.  data for datas sake.   if there is a point, it's "you need more data, here is some"  it's often on point data.

You might find on this very site a picture of a famous person, with a handful of words.  that's spam?  it certainly doesn't have the attribute of data, typically about Eagles.

Look RR, Ras and combine data is but one factor to consider in the outlook for players. 

The largest factor is how they perform on the field and rhe ability to play the game of football.  Continuously posting past combine numbers and completely ignoring the largest factor (on field performance) does nothing to advance the conversation. 

Some of the other takes like that Kelce should be a FB or Johnny Wilson is on the same level as AJ Brown just further degrade the "objective data".  

 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Look RR, Ras and combine data is but one factor to consider in the outlook for players. 

The largest factor is how they perform on the field.  Continuously posting past combine numbers and completely ignoring the largest factor (on field performance) does nothing to advance the conversation. 

Some of the other takes like that Kelce should be a FB or Johnny Wilson is on the same level as AJ Brown just further degrade the "objective data".  

 

Yeah, but the other thing I do is post PFF numbers.   So, I'm not ignoring on field perfomance at all.

I'm the one with the data on combine and pro day and I'm also the one with data on on field performance.

So,  you aren't right.  That combine stuff measures a physical ceiling, more or less.  PFF shows how they're doing when they're playing.

LB PFFs after 2 preseason games

Nakobe Dean - 91.6
Vansumeren - 90.5
Devin White - 68.4
Zach Baun - 59.3
Brandon Smith - 54.9
Trotter - 40.5

ED PFFs after 2 preseason games

Patrick Johnson - 90.8
Tarron Jackson - 83.5
Nolan Smith - 68.8
Bryce Huff - 68.5
Jalyx Hunt - 62.2
Julian Okwara - 61.4
Terrell Lewis - 48.3

I give data, others focus on opinions which could very well be uninformed.  I can drop data in a post, say nothing about it,  and people can just become more informed by new data.

People here seem to get very irritated when their opinions, uninformed by data, are contradicted by data.   They also don't like unorthodox ideas very much at all.   That's not to say everyone by any means,  there are some people engaged in their own conflicts, and pretty often one of the 2 is clearly right. 

 

Just now, Random Reglar said:

Yeah, but the other thing I do is post PFF numbers.   So, I'm not ignoring on field perfomance at all.

I'm the one with the data on combine and pro day and I'm also the one with data on on field performance.

So,  you aren't right.  That combine stuff measures a physical ceiling, more or less.  PFF shows how they're doing when they're playing.

LB PFFs after 2 preseason games

Nakobe Dean - 91.6
Vansumeren - 90.5
Devin White - 68.4
Zach Baun - 59.3
Brandon Smith - 54.9
Trotter - 40.5

ED PFFs after 2 preseason games

Patrick Johnson - 90.8
Tarron Jackson - 83.5
Nolan Smith - 68.8
Bryce Huff - 68.5
Jalyx Hunt - 62.2
Julian Okwara - 61.4
Terrell Lewis - 48.3

I give data, others focus on opinions which could very well be uninformed.  I can drop data in a post, say nothing about it,  and people can just become more informed by new data.

People here seem to get very irritated when their opinions, uninformed by data, are contradicted by data.   They also don't like unorthodox ideas very much at all.   That's not to say everyone by any means,  there are some people engaged in their own conflicts, and pretty often one of the 2 is clearly right. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Look RR, Ras and combine data is but one factor to consider in the outlook for players. 

The largest factor is how they perform on the field.  Continuously posting past combine numbers and completely ignoring the largest factor (on field performance) does nothing to advance the conversation. 

Some of the other takes like that Kelce should be a FB or Johnny Wilson is on the same level as AJ Brown just further degrade the "objective data".  

 

About the bolded part - you just are reading too much into what I'm putting up there.   I put Kelce v McMahon up there because someone was going on about how McMahon had great athleticism, roughly comparable to Kelce.   And I just dropped the ras compare without comment.  He said they were similar, and they are, and you can look at every number from both guys.   I've mentioned that the Eagles need more size in the backfield, was saying it last year, I think the problem is fixed by Uzomah,  but if Kelce is not retired,  it would be great to have Kelce as FB, or someone similar to Patrick Ricard.   But that's not the same thing as just putting up

I get it, you don't like unorthodox ideas.  They're not saying this on tv or on sports talk,  so it's too out there.

I put the Johnny Wilson numbers next to the AJ Brown numbers because someone said that Johnny Wilson lacked athleticism.  I don't remember what I said,  but part of the answer was showing that Johnny Wilson had excellent athleticism,  and by the gold standard numbers, better than AJ Brown.

What you somehow missed is that I wasn't saying that one "is on the same level as" the other.   the combine and pro day numbers measure something.  I'd call it ceiling.  But you'd want to look at how well they do in games.  Like PFF does.  Combine data is not what measures who is playing football better right now.

I'm not making up combine data and pro day data and I'm not making up PFF.  These things exist independent of me,  and I'm just using them.  I'm criticized for doing this by people who seem to misinterpret the arguments that I make,  seem to hate having to face any data at all in their arguments, because that's more
work for them. 

Johnny Wilson has very similar combine and pro day numbers to Mike Evans.

I, LMGM, also can, if I choose to, use, if I want, commas, if they are or not needed, in my sentences, if I choose to, to sound, not only handsomer, but, rather, smarter than, not just you, however, all of you. 

56 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

most, or often. of the time, those go out to drop data into a conversation.  but nobody was saying anything.  data for datas sake.   if there is a point, it's "you need more data, here is some"  it's often on point data.

You might find on this very site a picture of a famous person, with a handful of words.  that's spam?  it certainly doesn't have the attribute of data, typically about Eagles.

If you are just posting pictures randomly to not make any type of point, yes, that’s spam. 

I agree, RR is just spamming at this point and it's getting annoying having to sift through his nonsense every day to see actual pertinent information.

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I, LMGM, also can, if I choose to, use, if I want, commas, if they are or not needed, in my sentences, if I choose to, to sound, not only handsomer, but, rather, smarter than, not just you, however, all of you. 

yes, more commas, almost as good as more data

20 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I agree, RR is just spamming at this point and it's getting annoying having to sift through his nonsense every day to see actual pertinent information.

bs.

I;m one of the few that is giving Eagles data.   It's not like I'm lalking about the Sixers, Phillies, Flyers, and any amount of crap chat material.   I'm putting data out there.  Eagles data.  Certainly,  mine are new ideas, whether it's the first or 100th time I've typed a version of them,  but there is data embedded there.  It's not like I'm just repeating some opinion from talk radio.

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If you are just posting pictures randomly to not make any type of point, yes, that’s spam. 

to add useful data.

You complaining about me increases knowledge in what way?  

So far,  your post and my reply - basically worthless.

But if I add some Eagles data from my hard drive - I will have added useful information.  If someone sees the graphic, and then will be improved Eagles fans with more understanding of the athletic capabilities of Eagles players.

Will Shipley and Cooper DeJean have very similar combine / pro day numbers.
 

RR's RAS spam is matched by all the RR detractors' matching spam.  Instead of doubling down on the quantity of spam, just skip past RR's posts.

Now, getting back to a discussion of Eagles football, I believe there are eight of the current roster players who are (probably) past the waiver requirement threshold.  Cutting each of those players and keeping them on Howie's Bell Squad, while keeping a younger player on the initial 53-man roster may make a whole lot of sense.

Those eight players are:

WR Parris Campbell 
TE C.J. Uzomah
TE Albert O
C/G/T Brett Toth
ILB Zach Baun
CB Zech McPhearson
CB Parry Nickerson
S/CB James Bradberry

The younger players kept in place of those eight are (in my spreadsheet)

WR Johnny Wilson
WR Joseph Ngata
OT Darian Kinnard
C/G Dylan McMahon
DE/OLB Jalyx Hunt
DT Moro Ojomo
DT Thomas Booker
ILB Ben VanSumeren

The 53rd roster spot on my roster will be either S Tristin McCollum or CB Josh Jobe or CB Eli Ricks.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If you are just posting pictures randomly to not make any type of point, yes, that’s spam. 

Ooh! I want to play!

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

RR's RAS spam is matched by all the RR detractors' matching spam.  Instead of doubling down on the quantity of spam, just skip past RR's posts.

Now, getting back to a discussion of Eagles football, I believe there are eight of the current roster players who are (probably) past the waiver requirement threshold.  Cutting each of those players and keeping them on Howie's Bell Squad, while keeping a younger player on the initial 53-man roster may make a whole lot of sense.

Those eight players are:

WR Parris Campbell 
TE C.J. Uzomah
TE Albert O
C/G/T Brett Toth
ILB Zach Baun
CB Zech McPhearson
CB Parry Nickerson
S/CB James Bradberry

The younger players kept in place of those eight are (in my spreadsheet)

WR Johnny Wilson
WR Joseph Ngata
OT Darian Kinnard
C/G Dylan McMahon
DE/OLB Jalyx Hunt
DT Moro Ojomo
DT Thomas Booker
ILB Ben VanSumeren

The 53rd roster spot on my roster will be either S Tristin McCollum or CB Josh Jobe or CB Eli Ricks.

I don't think that what you're talking about is precise.   I think that some older players will be cut.   It would be just as easy or easier to come up with a 53,  and identify a small handful of cut vets. 

You seem to think that players like Tristin Mccollum, Jobe and Ricks are somehow not on either list.  Which tends to make your set of 8 kind of something that you're trying to push for some reason.    both the top and bottom lists have at least one player that won't make the 53. 

there are more than 8 players that make the 53 in your 2 lists of 8. 

The core idea, that vets will be harder to grab, is a good one though, and there might be some of that.

The data within RAS is not subjective, ie height, weight, 40 time.
Choosing how to weight each data point to create a composite score is subjective.

It's why RAS is a baseline, but shouldn't be more serious than that.

5 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

bs.

I;m one of the few that is giving Eagles data.   It's not like I'm lalking about the Sixers, Phillies, Flyers, and any amount of crap chat material.   I'm putting data out there.  Eagles data.  Certainly,  mine are new ideas, whether it's the first or 100th time I've typed a version of them,  but there is data embedded there.  It's not like I'm just repeating some opinion from talk radio.

You keep doing you! 

RR is the next guy all you nerds try and ban because you simply can’t just ignore him

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I, LMGM, also can, if I choose to, use, if I want, commas, if they are or not needed, in my sentences, if I choose to, to sound, not only handsomer, but, rather, smarter than, not just you, however, all of you. 

This made my eyes hurt

 

 

well done

13 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

RR is the next guy all you nerds try and ban because you simply can’t just ignore him

Cancers need to be removed

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

The data within RAS is not subjective, ie height, weight, 40 time.
Choosing how to weight each data point to create a composite score is subjective.

It's why RAS is a baseline, but shouldn't be more serious than that.

Its quantitative not objective, for just the reason you state. Small data set that represents physical ceiling in completely different test conditions than a game. No element of variance or reproducibility. 
 

it a pea brain way to look at players

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's a really long football field.

 

 

6 hours ago, T-1000 said:

I agree, RR is just spamming at this point and it's getting annoying having to sift through his nonsense every day to see actual pertinent information.

Have you put him on ignore?

Just now, wussbasket said:

That's a really long football field.

It’s for wallpaper