36 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It seems the change got it closer to what kelly green actually is.

I liked the vibrance of the other green but actually they may be getting something right this time. 

Either one is fine

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Remember the first Eagles midnight green unis Nike made looked like the Jags uniforms. They still haven't been able to get it right all these years later but they're better now, still not true midnight green.

They cant get the silver pants either because one of the biggest apparel manufactures in the world is stumped by silver...😒

2 hours ago, TEW said:

One of Dotson’s biggest traits is that he is known as someone who fights for every catch.

More likely it’s the routes he’s being asked to run most often.

Well that's definitely not whar Commanders fans have said.  Sheil was saying the same thing based on the tape he has watched on ter latest Philly Special pod.

35 minutes ago, paco said:

Were are you getting 39 more targets from?  

2023
Curtis Samuel (16 games)
91 targets
62 catches
613 yards

Jahan Dotson (17 games)
83 targets 
49 catches
518 yards

 

In my post last night I didn't take into account that Samuel played one less game.  So looking at it at a per game basis:

	Samuel	Dotson	Diff
TPG	5.69	4.88	0.81
RPG	3.88	2.88	0.99
YPG	38.31	30.47	7.84

 

So again, I wouldn't say that Samuel was substantially better than Dotson.  They were basically both WR2 and not by no means a high end WR2.  

 

The stat is based off of the past two years.  You are only looking at last year. Also RPG and YPG has no relevance to the stat that is being discussed.

5 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

RAS is overrated. What I really care about related to athleticism is position specific tools. I don't really care how much you bench as a corner, but I really care about what your 3-cone is. Short area quickness is what I really want to know about. Long speed matters, sure, but it matters a lot less. What are your hips like? Does the reactivity show up on your game?

I think certain attributes align well as tools to certain positions. To me, that stuff is a lot more important than RAS.

Sure. I don't disagree.  When I say RAS,  I mean "combine and pro day numbers"  and sometimes I type it the long way, and other times I just type RAS.  When the superior formula Sparq was out there,  I would use sparq.  Ras compare is great,  because if you don't like the ras formula (the tall people are not necessarily better than the average height people, etc)  it presents the data easily.   So,  if all you care about is 3 cone and 10 split, that data for that player would be contained there on that ras compare graphic.   I'm putting data out there.  It's as good as it is.  There are a lot of things that are important but we don't have data for them.   I'm not arguing that any data set is all that great and I'm not arguing that this data is all that matters.   I am arguing that data is good and more is better.  People should have it, see it, know it.  And ras compare,  as a part of a website that presents combine and pro day data, is great because it makes jpgs of the data really easy. 

All speculation can change off of what happens on Saturday (dings, bruises and scrapes).  That said, I suspect one of the IR Designated to Return slots is currently planned for Sterns, maybe.  They have had him in the building long enough to assess his injury and how the rehab is going.  

3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I seee no benefit to keeping Ainias Smith on the 53 man roster.  I find it very hard to believe there is any threat at all of another team signing him if they wanted to being him back on the practice squad.

 

37 minutes ago, Utebird said:

After Anais Smith was drafted there was so much noise about him becoming the starting number 3 and replacing covey at PR and being a chess piece in the offense that can move all over, I think all those claims were greatly exaggerated and now Im hearing media and posters twisting them selves in pretzels trying to figure out how to keep hom on the 53 saying hell definitely get claimed if cut, which again I think is greatly exaggerated, eagles fans tend to over value their own trash.

I havent seen anything from anais that would compel to have to keep him on the 53 and with the trade for Jahan I think Howie feels the same 

Having said that im going to guess he still makes the roster as Howie doesnt like jettisoning 5th round rookies  

People have been talking about Phantom IR for weeks now, and it seems very right.  He might have value to the Eagles, and throwing him away,  subjecting him to risk of loss,  seems wrong.  But he's not going to have value to the Eagles this year. 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The stat is based off of the past two years.  You are only looking at last year. Also RPG and YPG has no relevance to the stat that is being discussed.

First of all, doing the 2023 stats on a per game basis HELPS your position that Samuel was substantially better in 2023.  It doesn't make it true, but it does widen the gap between the them a bit more.

 

 

Anyway, fine lets talk about his rookie year.  That pads the gap in the total number of targets, true.  But here's the problem with that POV.... Dotson missed 5 games while Samuel appeared in all 17.  So yeah, when comparing the two you absolutely need to look at it from a per game average.

2022
	Samuel (17)	Dotson (12)	Diff
TPG	5.41	5.08	0.33
RPG	3.29	2.92	0.38
YPG	38.59	43.58	-5.00

 

Again, slightly more targets and receptions for Samuel, but not a substantially better.  Interestingly enough, Dotson had 5 more YPG, so he did more with less targets and catches his rookie year.

 

Combine the two years?  Sure.  Why not.  Lets end this stupid debate:

2022-2023
	Samuel	Dotson	Diff
TPG	5.55	4.98	0.57
RPG	3.59	2.90	0.68
YPG	38.45	37.03	1.42

 

So over the past two years Samuel and Dotson were almost identical stat wise in games played.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Some scrub WR wore it last year all camp. I had to look up his name, Jadon Haselwood. Uzomah was also wearing it this year.

#13 would be just ok. 80, 83, 86 aren't much better.

I don't know why 80 isn't a good number for WRs anymore.  Is it because they'd be compared to the GOAT Jerry Rice?

Eagles great Paul Turner wore 80.  He wasn't afraid.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Nike set tonruin the great alts they made last year.

 

 

 

It was mentioned last year that the color was going to change for 2024

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

It seems the change got it closer to what kelly green actually is.

I liked the vibrance of the other green but actually they may be getting something right this time. 

Yep.  The new ones look closer to the original Kelly greens, imo. 

10 minutes ago, paco said:

First of all, doing the 2023 stats on a per game basis HELPS your position that Samuel was substantially better in 2023.  It doesn't make it true, but it does widen the gap between the them a bit more.

 

 

Anyway, fine lets talk about his rookie year.  That pads the gap in the total number of targets, true.  But here's the problem with that POV.... Dotson missed 5 games while Samuel appeared in all 17.  So yeah, when comparing the two you absolutely need to look at it from a per game average.

2022
	Samuel (17)	Dotson (12)	Diff
TPG	5.41	5.08	0.33
RPG	3.29	2.92	0.38
YPG	38.59	43.58	-5.00

 

Again, slightly more targets and receptions for Samuel, but not a substantially better.  Interestingly enough, Dotson had 5 more YPG, so he did more with less targets and catches his rookie year.

 

Combine the two years?  Sure.  Why not.  Lets end this stupid debate:

2022-2023
	Samuel	Dotson	Diff
TPG	5.55	4.98	0.57
RPG	3.59	2.90	0.68
YPG	38.45	37.03	1.42

 

So over the past two years Samuel and Dotson were almost identical stat wise in games they played. 

 

 

You're wasting your time trying to argue things that I'm not trying to argue.  At no point have I tried to argue who is the better of WR between Samuel and Dotson.

I posted a troubling stat about the number of interceptions that have been thrown when Dotson has been targeted given his limited number of targets compared to the other WRs on that list.  EaglesPhan1986 tried to blame it on the QBs throwing it to Dotson and I pointed out that neither McLaurin or Samuel are on that list despite having substantially more targets over thr past two seasons than Dotson.  It's a worrisome stat that goes along with some things that have been said about Dotson both by Washington fans and now Sheil on his latest podcast that Dotaon doesn't always have a lot of fight in him when it comes to fighting for a contested ball.

 

 

5 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Listed as a potential trade candidate. Any interest if it's a day 3 pick?

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-roster-bubble-kadarius-toney-among-players-who-could-be-traded-or-cut?campaign=Twitter_atn

 

One of my favorite players in that draft. He's more old school, heavy hitter. Not sure he has the wheels to last but I'd be happy if they gave him a look.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You're wasting your time trying to argue things that I'm not trying to argue.  At no point have I tried to argue who is the better of WR between Samuel and Dotson.

 

18 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

But where are the other Washington WRs on that list then? Dotaon wasn't their #1 WR, he was their #3.  Terry McLaurin and Curtis Samuel both had substantially more targets than Dotson over the past 2 seasons with the same QBs yet they aren't on that list.

 

And my point is, no, no he did not.

 

But yes, Dotson is not living up to is first round draft pedigree, no argument here.  At this point, until he proves otherwise, he is an average complimentary receiver like Samuel.  You know, WR3.

37 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

 

People have been talking about Phantom IR for weeks now, and it seems very right.  He might have value to the Eagles, and throwing him away,  subjecting him to risk of loss,  seems wrong.  But he's not going to have value to the Eagles this year. 

There is no risk of loss.  He hasn't done anything this summer to make another team want to sign him if the Eagles cut him.  At least on the practice squad he can develop. He won't be able to practice or develop as a phantom IR.

4 hours ago, wussbasket said:

It seems like the game is way too fast for him right now and could really use the year to get comfortable and learn how to play in the NFL. He's not going to be able to do that on IR, and I think the Eagles believe in him enough to keep him on the 53 to try and develop him.

I would rather have him on the roster than Campbell/Ross, who may get 15 targets all season.

Not only that, but bringing Dotson in takes any pressure off of the idea of having to play him. If they can carry 4 TE in 2024 with Albert O not even dressing, they can carry an extra WR this year.

Just now, paco said:

 

 

 

Yeah can you read?  Did you read the rest of my response to you?  Or are you not able to comprehend at all what you are reading?   The number of targets isn't meant to point out who is better.  I'm not trying to argue whether Samuel is a better WR or not.  Holy crap.

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I don't know why 80 isn't a good number for WRs anymore.  Is it because they'd be compared to the GOAT Jerry Rice?

Eagles great Paul Turner wore 80.  He wasn't afraid.

Large part of it is the font here sucks.

80 can work on a bigger WR. If it was like Jordan Matthews it would be fine. A small guy like Dotson in anything 80 would look gross.

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah can you read?  Did you read the rest of my response to you?  Or are you not able to comprehend at all what you are reading?   The number of targets isn't meant to point out who is better.  I'm not trying to argue whether Samuel is a better WR or not.  Holy crap.

And can you read?  I said that Dotson wasn't their WR3 like you claimed, he and Samuel were almost identical and therefore it was more of a WR2a and WR2b situation.  Never said better, you just did in that last post..  I said the difference wasn't substantial like you claimed.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

It seems the change got it closer to what kelly green actually is.

I liked the vibrance of the other green but actually they may be getting something right this time. 

Only if they change the helmets too. The new color looks like the wet jerseys last year. Problem with that is the helmet doesn't even come close to matching.

The bigger question is why the hell can Nike NEVER get colors right or not have the right materials when that's what they do? It's like Hershey releasing a dark chocolate candy bar that isn't dark chocolate because they don't have the right ingredients. Makes no sense.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

And can you read?  I said that Dotson wasn't their WR3 like you claimed, he and Samuel were almost identical and therefore it was more of a WR2a and WR2b situation.  Never said better.  Said the difference wasn't substantial like you claimed.

 

The numbe rof targets is substantially different.  You're now wasting my time further trying to argue something I don't care about and wasn't talking about.  Go talk to a tree outside if you can't learn to read.  I don't give a crap who is better between Dotson and Samuel.

39 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The numbe rof targets is substantially different.  You're now wasting my time further trying to argue something I don't care about and wasn't talking about.  Go talk to a tree outside if you can't learn to read.  I don't give a crap who is better between Dotson and Samuel.

Yeah.  Getting 0.68 more receptions per game gets me moist.  It's substantial!  

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Only if they change the helmets too. The new color looks like the wet jerseys last year. Problem with that is the helmet doesn't even come close to matching.

The bigger question is why the hell can Nike NEVER get colors right or not have the right materials when that's what they do? It's like Hershey releasing a dark chocolate candy bar that isn't dark chocolate because they don't have the right ingredients. Makes no sense.

EXACTLY. Those helmets look awful- that is NOT the correct shade of green at all. There are hex codes for EVERY shade of each color. They can't figure THAT out??? Go to the f_ing hex code chart and match the shade of green it REALLY is. It's THAT simple. What's the matter, Nike- too lazy? Too stupid to know that?? What is the problem- there is no excuse. Small example is:

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

After Anais Smith was drafted there was so much noise about him becoming the starting number 3 and replacing covey at PR and being a chess piece in the offense that can move all over, I think all those claims were greatly exaggerated and now Im hearing media and posters twisting them selves in pretzels trying to figure out how to keep hom on the 53 saying hell definitely get claimed if cut, which again I think is greatly exaggerated, eagles fans tend to over value their own trash.

I havent seen anything from anais that would compel to have to keep him on the 53 and with the trade for Jahan I think Howie feels the same 

Having said that im going to guess he still makes the roster as Howie doesnt like jettisoning 5th round rookies  

Howie has a good feel for players who'll be claimed. He's not going to lose sleep over a 6th WR being claimed. He can find some kid off a PS who has similar upside.

25 minutes ago, paco said:

Yeah.  Getting 0.68 more targets per game gets me moist.  It's substantial!  

 

Yeah for own personal journey that you're taking to try to argue things about 2023 that I'm have at no point been attempting to argue or talk about.  But for what I'm talking about that your reading compression handicaps don't allow you to understand, Samuel has 39 more targets over the past two seasons.