1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Was it that late? I thought it was shortly after the draft for some reason.

September 3rd. It was after Bridgewater got hurt in camp.

https://www.nfl.com/news/sam-bradford-traded-to-vikings-for-two-draft-picks-0ap3000000694979

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

September 3rd. It was after Bridgewater got hurt in camp.

https://www.nfl.com/news/sam-bradford-traded-to-vikings-for-two-draft-picks-0ap3000000694979

Ah, that's right. Good call.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

I agree with you but I don't think the Eagles will do it. I can't think of the last rookie that was with the first team at the beginning of OTAs.

I think Jalen Carter got first team reps early on in Training camp but did not get them from the start.  I'm guessing it's up to Fangio.  It is encouraging that Fangio had Surtain as a starter early on as a rookie. I think he also had Kendall Fuller start as a rookie when he was the DC in Chicago.  I would expect Mitchell to be on the field sooner than later. 

22 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

4 catches for 42 yards in his career… he’s not starting lol. 

and of course,  no rookie has any stats,  so they're not starting.

Great punt returner isn't cut. 

Covey vs Campbell, and I'd think they have about the same amount of snaps,  Covey gets points for being Great as a punt returner for the Eagles last year.  
Campbell gets points for being a 2nd round pick,  and 4.31 40.

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Was it that late? I thought it was shortly after the draft for some reason.

It was after Bridgewater blew out his knee. The main reason they were easily fleeced. They had no time to waste before Week 1 and had no real internal options. 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Jalen Carter got first team reps early on in Training camp but did not get them from the start.  I'm guessing it's up to Fangio.  It is encouraging that Fangio had Surtain as a starter early on as a rookie. I think he also had Kendall Fuller start as a rookie when he was the DC in Chicago.  I would expect Mitchell to be on the field sooner than later. 

I think/hope the job is his by the end of camp, hopefully even before the halfway point. I'd just be shocked if they threw him out there during OTAs or the beginning of camp. Hopefully he starts out getting some reps with the 1s and builds from there.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Jalen Carter got first team reps early on in Training camp but did not get them from the start.  I'm guessing it's up to Fangio.  It is encouraging that Fangio had Surtain as a starter early on as a rookie. I think he also had Kendall Fuller start as a rookie when he was the DC in Chicago.  I would expect Mitchell to be on the field sooner than later. 

If you mean Kyle Fuller, I think he was already there when Fangio came to Chicago.

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

You say they don't come up that often but we picked him at 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say we'll probably be OK, unless theres a boatload of teams had him at 186 plus.

He's another Tyree Jackson (6ft 7 ran a 4.59 40)

I wanted to think the same thing but Tyree Jackson and Johnny Wilson are nothing alike aside from their size. Everyone you talk to says Wilson is a WR with zero TE traits, outside of his size. Jackson was a huge, positionless athlete. Not good enough to be a QB, not strong enough to be a TE. Just a big athlete. Johnny Wilson is a huge WR and moves like it. Agree, he lasted that long for a reason but I also think he's the kind of prospect you can't just get rid or or assume will be safe on the PS.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Last year the Eagles 53-man roster was comprised of:

Offense -- 24  QB (3), RB (4), WR (4), TE (4), OL (9)

Defense -- 27  DE/EDGE (6), DT (7), LB (3), CB (7), Safety (4)

Special Teams 2

 

Where does Johnny Wilson slot on the WR depth chart?  1.  AJ Brown, 2.  DeVonta Smith, 3.  Ainias Smith, 4.  Parris Campbell, 5.  Devante Parker, 6.  Britain Covey, 7.  Johnny Wilson

It's possible the Eagles carry 5 WR on the 53 for this season.  Brown, Smith are locks (of course).  Ainias Smith figures to make it due to versatility.  What it comes down to is, can Wilson beat out Covey?  I don't think Parker or Campbell would be claimed by another team if they were released and brought back; Campbell got $400K guaranteed and I don't think Parker got even that much.  For roster management it's possible both could be released on final cutdowns.

Covey and Wilson would be an interesting roster decision.  Shipley was an excellent KR at Clemson, but didn't return punts.  Ainias Smith returned 82 punts in all 5 seasons at Texas A&M.  DeJean was an excellent PR at Iowa -- but do the Eagles use him there?

I honestly think Howie tries to trade Covey at some point; I don't really see a roster spot for him.  If not, he's likely a cut -- already being 27 years old.    

 

TE4 and RB4 didn't even dress. If Johnny Wilson is on the team this year instead of Rashaad Penny, so be it. 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Covey led the NFL in punt return yards.  Covey led the NFL in 20+ yard returns.

Covey might be a starting WR this year.   Unlikely A Smith is that.

Covey is NOT a starting NFL WR.

19 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I think/hope the job is his by the end of camp, hopefully even before the halfway point. I'd just be shocked if they threw him out there during OTAs or the beginning of camp. Hopefully he starts out getting some reps with the 1s and builds from there.

Let him get a healthy dose of reality against AJ and Smitty

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

I don't really think being on Hard Knocks is a huge detriment to a team at this point.  These guys have cameras shoved in their faces all the time anymore anyway.  And anything and everything gets leaked by someone.  I say do it!  Would be fun to watch. 

Its a horrible idea

52 minutes ago, paco said:

This is his draft profile

4 hours ago, just relax said:

Thank you for saying this. It is a mistake I often make. As an example, I remember Dean as a great college LB and skip over the last two years. I still have hope for him but it is leavened a bit by time. IF he is healthy, I think he’ll like this system, as LBs are more protected with Fangio with his gap-and-a-half approach for the DL. All the LBs should show better, though guys like Carter may get a bit frustrated on early downs.

Let me build on that a bit.  I thought last year Carter looked better than first year Cox, even after he hit the rookie wall.  I get the impression that the accident and aftermath humbled him somewhat. As for Dean, I thought he didn’t reflect well on the green dot but that is quite a move from barely playing as a rookie.  Probably a bit overwhelming.  Frankly, I suspect the Howie comment on players needing to play earlier.  Frankly, Nolan Smith should be humbled because he went later that prognosticators projected and certainly that should apply to Dean and Ringo.  Dean, and Trotter both dropped due to size and not testing pre draft.  Dean can’t afford to lose a step so the foot injury looms large and frankly worries me.  But if he didn’t lose any speed, he should play like he has a chip on his shoulder.   Dean really was another Howie gamble where picked.   As to the LBs, I like the instincts and reaction of Trotter, Dean and Burks.  Love White’s speed but those instincts are like Brandon Smith’s (hope they both prove me wrong.)  Keep them clean.  That fits with a level of Carter "disappointment”.  DTs are not stat ****s.  All I ask is they control the IOL and impact the OT at times while clogging the lanes.  Hopefully Davis got the message.  That leaves the DE/Edge/OLB and on occasion ILB/S/CB on a single OT/TE or free.  I firmly believe that Baun, N Smith, Sweat and Huff can drop enough on a RB or TE to help disguise the defense.  Now, honestly, Baun is in a battle with Okwara and Patrick Johnson, impressive athletes on their own.  I still think Terrell Lewis is a DE and thinking he can play OLB with some coverage is wishful thinking.  Now as a Brandon Graham replacement next year at DE, I kind of like the possibility. 

You understand line play as much as anyone on here.  I expect stunts and movement on the DL (including Edge/OLBs/SAMs).  I hated the lack of disguises last year on both the D and O.  Is this just my continuing daydream or do you expect it too.  

So was Ringo.  Word was, he was immature, didn’t take coaching. He should be humbled by how he dropped and even more by the Eagles picks in this draft. That said, I could easily see him as Al Harris 2.0.  By that, I mean immature finds adulthood and DeJean (despite me seeing him as a DB/S) and Mitchell starting outside then when Ringo comes in as the nickel, DeJean moves to the slot and Ringo plays outside much like Harris.  Frankly, I could see that next year if Brown can prove to be a starting S opposite CJGJ.  Hopefully McCollum becomes that back up DB/S and Blakenship can play SS when one is called for. I could easily see Blankenship in that combo S/LB role that Jenkins played.  

I get kind of excited about the possibility of the back seven next year in year 3 of the defensive rebuild.  At year two it stops being a rebuild and becomes an adjustment/refresh.  Hence one year rentals at LB has to end and a refresh at DE, although I would consider a Sweat extension for the right price.  

People seem to forget about what an athlete he is.  4.53 forty, 1.55 split, 4.28 SS, explosive vertical and broad, all at 6’5” at 251 lbs with arms like an OT, 34 5/8” arms and 10 1/4 inch hands. Real disciplined in steps.  I want Hall glued to Sweat and Huff just like Howie wants Mitchell glued to Slay.  Guess what folks, our DEs can drop in coverage too.  Oh the disguises and variations. 

Speaking of DL, Clint Hurtt is an underappreciated hire on here.  Yeah, I know this interview is long but listen to this guy.

He’s going to be a head coach someday. 

1 hour ago, paco said:

Rich client headed for two long trials?  More like:

 

 

 

43 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wanted to think the same thing but Tyree Jackson and Johnny Wilson are nothing alike aside from their size. Everyone you talk to says Wilson is a WR with zero TE traits, outside of his size. Jackson was a huge, positionless athlete. Not good enough to be a QB, not strong enough to be a TE. Just a big athlete. Johnny Wilson is a huge WR and moves like it. Agree, he lasted that long for a reason but I also think he's the kind of prospect you can't just get rid or or assume will be safe on the PS.

Tyree Jackson didn't get a chance to be a QB,  except for 1 preseason with the Bills.  Tyree Jackson had no experience at anything but QB.  Never played TE or WR.   But does have the athleticism to play TE. I wouldn't say he wasn't strong enough  I like Tyree.  Bring him back. However,  I would say that the problem with Tyree was that he didn't know how to play TE well enough.

Johnny Wilson is a big WR.  Was always a big WR.   Size and speed wise,  they're similar, somewhat.  Jackson - 249 pounds,  Wilson 231 pounds.   I'll ras compare them as WR.   Johnny Wilson has excellent numbers for a WR.

Others to compare Johnny Wilson to - Mike Evans.   Back 5-10 years ago there weren't all that many tall and heavy WRs but it seemed like a lot of them were pro bowlers.  Brandon Marshall,  Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, Alshon Jeffrey and others.

14 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Tyree Jackson didn't get a chance to be a QB,  except for 1 preseason with the Bills.  Tyree Jackson had no experience at anything but QB.  Never played TE or WR.   But does have the athleticism to play TE. I wouldn't say he wasn't strong enough  I like Tyree.  Bring him back. However,  I would say that the problem with Tyree was that he didn't know how to play TE well enough.

Johnny Wilson is a big WR.  Was always a big WR.   Size and speed wise,  they're similar, somewhat.  Jackson - 249 pounds,  Wilson 231 pounds.   I'll ras compare them as WR.   Johnny Wilson has excellent numbers for a WR.

Others to compare Johnny Wilson to - Mike Evans.   Back 5-10 years ago there weren't all that many tall and heavy WRs but it seemed like a lot of them were pro bowlers.  Brandon Marshall,  Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, Alshon Jeffrey and others.

Uhm...Dez Bryant was 6'2 and Jeffrey was 6'3, neither of them are remotely tall compared to Wilson lmao

 

Johnny Wilson v Mike Evans

Just now, RunItBAck said:

Uhm...Dez Bryant was 6'2 and Jeffrey was 6'3, neither of them are remotely tall compared to Wilson lmao

 

There were a good number of WR who were at least 6'3+  220+ and 4.52.   There was a grouping there,  not many, but many got pro bowl.

Wilson is tall,  Not Harold Carmichael tall,  but definitely tall.

What Wilson has that is rare compared to other big WRs  is that great shuttle of 4.11.   Putting him at 8.86 ras,  for all WRs,  even the short ones.   Dez Bryant had a 4.46 in the shuttle,  a 1.99 ras for WRs.  It's a little more typical for the heavier WRs to have not so good shuttles and 3 cones and 40 times. 
 

5 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m not following why Ringo can play outside and Dejean can’t - they are both very similar physically including the perceived stiffness. Dejean went earlier as he is a playmaker displaying better instincts in coverage. Ringo is still very young, so he could certainly improve and compete (but I don’t see why he’s necessarily ahead).

Id say the one year of nfl experience may give him a slight leg up 🤷‍♂️

I hope some of you caught that match — it was one for the ages!

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Covey is NOT a starting NFL WR.

Not yet😉

2 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Covey led the NFL in punt return yards.  Covey led the NFL in punt returns 20+ yards.   That's what makes him not cut.

Since he's not cut because great punt returner,  you then look at the other players.

The Eagles sure look to be going in the whole versatile and quick direction with the WR3 spot.   Not A Smith,  because day 3 rookie.  Also,  slower and less quick than Covey.    So,  between more veteran Covey (the Eagles like their own veterans) and Parris Campbell.  I'd pretty much go with flipping the coin there.  I don't think the Eagles go with any starter at the WR3 position that gets over 50% of the snaps.  I don't know who the "starter" is,  but I think that Covey gets a chunk of the snaps and Campbell gets a chunk of the snaps.

I'm hopeful that the Eagles don't try to set records for the number of snaps they give Brown and Smith as starting WRs.   So,  if Brown and Smith aren't getting 90% of the WR snaps, more like 70%,  like other teams do,  you'll have snaps for other WRs like Johnny Wilson.  Parker seems like a backup for Brown,  but Johnny Wilson could also be a backup for Brown.

Seems also like the Eagles wanted to make sure that the small, versatile, quick WR3 was covered.  Covey, Campbell, A Smith are all somewhat similar.   Quez and Oz were somewhat similar and both groups aren't similar.    All of Covey, Campbell, Smith can do some running and pass catching out of the backfield. 

Last year,  WR3 was mostly downfield decoy,  to enable more success for Brown and Smith  This year,  versatile and quick,  less downfield.  

Covey is small, and that's a concern,  I'm not sure that the Eagles should be throwing 90% of the WR3 at him.   I think that either him or Campbell will be good or great at doing what they want from them,  but I'd split snaps there,  it's always good to be fresh in the playoffs, and not running out of gas,  or injured (see 2023).

Maybe A Smith can be the backup to D Smith?  Maybe A Smith is a solid route runner?

Im the president of the covey fan club but im not so sure he gets many snaps on offense.

Hes just so small, i think his niche is as a special teamer and thats fine 

Hes said in the past  that he thinks of himself as a wr first then a return guy so maybe he makes a push in camp and pushes for some snaps on offense.

We'll see if not im happy to have him as a PR.

35 minutes ago, TEW said:

I hope some of you caught that match — it was one for the ages!

Wont waste my time watching soccer

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Lol

Sounds about right for that organization.