4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Being a Draft Pick is nowhere near as meaningful a factor as you make it out to be.  Howie chose to pull the trigger on Mustipher just the same as he chos to pull the trigger on Marlon T.  What matters is comparative performance on the field.

JMO

I don't have specific examples off the top of my head but for some reason I have the thinking that Howie has historically kept guys he drafted over better players when coming down to cuts. I'd have to look back to find these instances.

I missed the news that the Turds finally signed Lamb to an extension.  $34M AAV is a bit high -- and much higher than they could have signed him for a few months ago.  

Keep being Jerruh, Jerruh.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I missed the news that the Turds finally signed Lamb to an extension.  $34M AAV is a bit high -- and much higher than they could have signed him for a few months ago.  

Keep being Jerruh, Jerruh.

Or last year, when they should have signed him like we did with both Devonta and AJ after year 3

8 hours ago, NCiggles said:

How do you know Parris Campbell is a fast now or that Smith isn't faster since he was recovering from a leg injury when he ran his 40. 

how do we know we're not living in a matrix, hooked up to machines, or whatever that was.

what we saw in the last preseason game was Parris Campbell running fast and making pretty big plays,  and A Smith not sucking, but not making big plays indicative of him being fast.

Campbell - yards per target - 17
A Smith - yards per target - 4



 

8 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Dude, that’s what the chart says so you know it’s gotta be right. It’s the chart!

those are the combine and pro day numbers.   the chart just makes it easy for you to get more data.

8 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

What are you talking about? Are you responding to the wrong person? I said we’re keeping him and June 1sting him next year, so you’re disagreeing by saying…. We’re keeping him and June 1sting him next year?

I'm not really saying either one of those things.  I'm not "agreeing" or "disagreeing". 

43 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Being a Draft Pick is nowhere near as meaningful a factor as you make it out to be.  Howie chose to pull the trigger on Mustipher just the same as he chos to pull the trigger on Marlon T.  What matters is comparative performance on the field.

JMO

Depends on the round.

24 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

how do we know we're not living in a matrix, hooked up to machines, or whatever that was.

what we saw in the last preseason game was Parris Campbell running fast and making pretty big plays,  and A Smith not sucking, but not making big plays indicative of him being fast.

Campbell - yards per target - 17
A Smith - yards per target - 4



 

Wrong

13 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I'm not really saying either one of those things.  I'm not "agreeing" or "disagreeing". 

Wrong

44 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Being a Draft Pick is nowhere near as meaningful a factor as you make it out to be.  Howie chose to pull the trigger on Mustipher just the same as he chos to pull the trigger on Marlon T.  What matters is comparative performance on the field.

JMO

Are you doing the gameday picks this year? 

5 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Give me Paris Campbell and put A Smith on the practice squad.

apparently A Smith was hurt in the last preseason game.  IR for him.

Just now, Random Reglar said:

apparently A Smith was hurt in the last preseason game.  IR for him.

Wrong

Haven't seen it discussed in here yet but Reub and Zangaro were suggesting Jalyx Hunt to IR with his oblique injury to start the season. I wonder if that's a way to keep Patrick Johnson around for a little. 

I'd seriously consider a move for Tyree Wilson if he is indeed on the block. He's a specimen. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Haven't seen it discussed in here yet but Reub and Zangaro were suggesting Jalyx Hunt to IR with his oblique injury to start the season. I wonder if that's a way to keep Patrick Johnson around for a little. 

I'd seriously consider a move for Tyree Wilson if he is indeed on the block. He's a specimen. 

Patrick earned a role either way. He’s shown more than Smith TBH this offseason

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Patrick earned a role either way. He’s shown more than Smith TBH this offseason

Agreed.

Dallas continues to go All In by likely signing Dalvin Cook

 

lol 

10 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

You seem to miss the point entirely.  Getting an easy sack is to be expected BUT so is getting a consistent level of pressure.  Read my post again.  Someone pointed to "hey, he had 2 sacks" and I suggested that 1 sack was easy and that the lack of any consistent pressure was what I found to be an issue.

Again, it is still early and I'm not ready to reach any judgement on him but I'm close to putting him in the "real risk" department and even that wouldn't be reaching a final grade.  Let's see where he is after 5 or 6 regular season games and take a new look at that point.

I'm not sure you're understanding my counterpoint. Nolan Smith will not begin the season as a "starter." He will have an increased role compared to last year and the plan is that with experience he will eventually develop into a starter. So when people put down anything he did on the field in a preseason game because it was "against backups," well ... so was he. 

I would love for you to provide examples of him not getting "any consistent pressure." I've produced a couple examples of him getting good pressure in that last game. Another problem with preseason games is teams aren't usually putting their prospects in situations to fail on offense. QBs aren't holding the ball very long and most of the vanilla plays are designed to get the ball out quick . It's hard to rack up a lot of pressures --- especially when you are playing around 20 snaps per game (like Smith did in the preseason). So when you evaluate a pass rusher, you don't knock him for not getting pressure on a play where there was no chance to do that. 

The truth of the matter is Smith had a good, solid preseason. He played well overall. He didn't make so many plays he became a nationwide household name or anything, but it's not like he was embarrassing out there either. I have to ask ... just what were you expecting and why?

When the Eagles drafted him, they already had Reddick locked up for two more seasons and it was obvious that was the role they had in mind for Smith. But I strongly believe they knew he needed time to develop and projected that developmental time span to be two seasons before he'd be ready to start if all went well. Unfortunately, Reddick made it clear he was unhappy with the remaining year on his contract and the Eagles decided to move on from him a year earlier than expected. 

10 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Are you able to win your rep on talent or luck? Easier sacks indicate luck, while more difficult sacks indicate talent. Obviously every player is going to experience luck if they play long enough, but not every player has the talent.

If you are only getting sacks based on luck, those opportunities are far and few between in the NFL, and should not be relied on to produce consistent results.

A couple things...

Are you actually claiming all his good preseason plays were luck? Those two sacks weren't his only pressures and he didn't only play on passing downs and he also dropped into coverage a few times. Again, we're talking about 67 total preseason snaps. 

Also, I'd like to add --- this is why I appreciate what PFF tries to do. They don't award a player for "luck." If a QB throws a pass that goes right into and through a defender's hands (who should have caught it) and it bounces off his helmet into a receiver's hands and he catches it and scores a TD, PFF is still giving the QB a negative grade on that play. They aren't grading the result. Nolan Smith's combined grade for the 3 preseason games is in the "good" range --- and that grades every play whether he was rushing the passer, defending the run, or dropping in coverage. 

9 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

"Production" vs eye test

I challenge any critic that stands behind "the eye test" to provide visual proof. I have eyes too. 

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

And apparently no PS either through his choice or theirs.  Fresh start

He’s behind Ricks and Jobe so moving on makes sense 

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I'd be shocked if Wilson didn't make the team

X /  Split End -  Brown, Wilson
Z / Flanker Back - D Smith, Dotson
Slot - Campbell / Covey

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Johnny Wilson might end up being this camps Nasty Nate. Lit it up in practice for a few days, came back down to Earth then concussion. He's not been heard from since NE joint practice. He didn't exactly light it up in the 1st game either. Good prospect with tremendous size but inconsistent hands. The Eagles were desperate for WR3 to shine during camp so anything positive probably looked better than it actually was. 

Johnny Wilson is big,  and it's good to have another big WR,  he should be doing AJ Brown stuff, as a backup.   He also is a blocker, a red zone threat, a contested catch guy.  
Backup X / Split End,  like Dotson is backup Z / Flanker to D Smith.

36 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

apparently A Smith was hurt in the last preseason game.  IR for him.

Yes. He was "hurt" as I expected he would be. 

1 hour ago, judunno said:

Is he on IR? I mentioned that he had the ceiling of Josh Huff and I was laughed at with people saying he'd instantly replace Covey

they haven't put him on IR yet.  It was announced somewhere that he got hurt in the final preseason game.  Many, including myself, were expecting IR for A Smith for weeks now, so hearing that he got hurt in the final preseason game was expected.

Rules about IR are different this year.  Before the 53 tomorrow, teams can put 2 players on IR designated to return.  Last year they couldn't do that.

3 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

they haven't put him on IR yet.  It was announced somewhere that he got hurt in the final preseason game.  Many, including myself, were expecting IR for A Smith for weeks now, so hearing that he got hurt in the final preseason game was expected.

Rules about IR are different this year.  Before the 53 tomorrow, teams can put 2 players on IR designated to return.  Last year they couldn't do that.

You get 8 all year that you can bring back which is a good number but if you designate 1 or 2 it does come off that total

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Haven't heard a peep about him since his concussion.

You haven't been reading the "still has a concussion, nothing to report" stories?

We're talking about 2 or 3 weeks here. 

Question for any rule aficionados.

With this new 2 player IR rule, does the player HAVE to return from IR this season? I keep seeing "designate to return" but that contradicts the other IR rule where you no longer have to designate players when placing on IR and instead can simply designate them when they are ready to return.