11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think as currently constructed the Eagles would have to make a difficult cut to keep Covey on the 53 and active on game day. 

QB: Hurts, Pickett, McKee (3)

RB: Barkley, Shipley (2)

TE: Goedert, (Uzomah/Albert O/Calcaterra) (2)

WR: Brown, Smith, (Smith/Wilson), (Parker/Campbell) (4)

OL: Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Steen, Johnson, Becton, Hennessy, Keegan (8)

Those are 19 I think are locks. We will probably need at minimum 1 more RB, 1 more TE, 1 more WR, 2 OL. That puts you at 24. The question becomes is Covey the 25th guy on offense while going lighter at RB/TE? Is Covey the 5th WR which means WR depth would be pretty light? Or are we dipping into the defense to keep a PR? The best argument to me would be Covey being the 25th guy since there aren't really any deep RB's/TE's currently I think are worth keeping. But I don't know if that aligns with their roster construction thinking as we went into Week1 last year with 4 RB's and 4 TE's and eventually felt the need to sign Julio Jones and have 6 WR's. 

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

ESP is such a snake. 

I went back and read the article.  https://www.nj.com/eagles/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html In fairness to ESP, it looks like he was fed information from a team source.  I don't think the article led to his release.  I think the article was a hit piece designed to give Chip Kelly cover for releasing the team's best WR.  There is truth to the allegation that Desean had some sort of relationship with likely gang members.  It seems that most of it was music related and Jackson was not ever a gang member or engaged in any gang related activity.  

28 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

ESP is such a snake. 

ESP was used by Chip Kelly to smear DeJean Jackson as an excuse to get rid of him. ESP then parlayed that into a career.

Whenever other fans and media members defend ESP, they're saying that behaviour was ok. 

I'll never understand how they choose who to bring to these things

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'll never understand how they choose who to bring to these things

I think it has to do with who the agents are, as much as anything else.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think it has to do with who the agents are, as much as anything else.  

Caleb Williams doesn't even have an agent, although being #1 changes things

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Caleb Williams doesn't even have an agent, although being #1 changes things

Correct.

41 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

ESP is such a snake. 

Different times. Probably would have been a blip in 2024, with ESP getting dragged every day.

46 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

it isn't worth burning a roster spot on specifically for that role. 

We wasted a roster spot on Albert O all of last year, everything is relative.

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

QB: Hurts, Pickett, McKee (3)

RB: Barkley, Shipley (2)

TE: Goedert, (Uzomah/Albert O/Calcaterra) (2)

WR: Brown, Smith, (Smith/Wilson), (Parker/Campbell) (4)

OL: Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Steen, Johnson, Becton, Hennessy, Keegan (8)

Those are 19 I think are locks. We will probably need at minimum 1 more RB, 1 more TE, 1 more WR, 2 OL. That puts you at 24. The question becomes is Covey the 25th guy on offense while going lighter at RB/TE? Is Covey the 5th WR which means WR depth would be pretty light? Or are we dipping into the defense to keep a PR? The best argument to me would be Covey being the 25th guy since there aren't really any deep RB's/TE's currently I think are worth keeping. But I don't know if that aligns with their roster construction thinking as we went into Week1 last year with 4 RB's and 4 TE's and eventually felt the need to sign Julio Jones and have 6 WR's. 

Gainwell is a lock if he's not traded - and who TF is trading for Kenny Gainwell

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

We wasted a roster spot on Albert O all of last year, everything is relative.

This is very true.   But he's back now!

 

56 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm all in favor of Dejean returning punts.   I don't see it as 'more on his plate'.  I see it as more opportunities for him to make plays.  He's a playmaker.  That's what got him noticed at Iowa... that hot bed of DB talent.   And we heard Ferentz say that if he had returned to Iowa, he likely would have gotten some opportunities on offense.   I want that guy maximizing his opportunities.   And I don't see punt returns as something that will tax him mentally.  I think at this point it would be mostly instinctual for him.  Let him go back there and make plays.

 

Now, all that said... Covey might still win the job, but I think this is his last year here.   I don't see him coming back as a RFA after the season, because I think the long term plan is absolutely to use Dejean back there.   If they wait a year for that... so be it, but I think he's their top choice.

I agree it isn’t ideal to have a punt return only player. I think Smith is the long term guy there. He needs to clean some things up. DeJean, if he’s what I think he is, will be too valuable to put back there. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

QB: Hurts, Pickett, McKee (3)

RB: Barkley, Shipley (2)

TE: Goedert, (Uzomah/Albert O/Calcaterra) (2)

WR: Brown, Smith, (Smith/Wilson), (Parker/Campbell) (4)

OL: Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Steen, Johnson, Becton, Hennessy, Keegan (8)

Those are 19 I think are locks. We will probably need at minimum 1 more RB, 1 more TE, 1 more WR, 2 OL. That puts you at 24. The question becomes is Covey the 25th guy on offense while going lighter at RB/TE? Is Covey the 5th WR which means WR depth would be pretty light? Or are we dipping into the defense to keep a PR? The best argument to me would be Covey being the 25th guy since there aren't really any deep RB's/TE's currently I think are worth keeping. But I don't know if that aligns with their roster construction thinking as we went into Week1 last year with 4 RB's and 4 TE's and eventually felt the need to sign Julio Jones and have 6 WR's. 

Gainwell is a lock.  I am not sure they need 4 deep at RB but 3 deep is a concern. They certainly could keep 4 TEs.  Albert O never played but they did keep him on the 53.  Calcaterra has shown potential but I am not sure they were happy with his production. I would think Uzomah is on the roster and after that why not keep Calcaterra and Albert O who have some developmental potential. At OL, they just signed Fred Johnson because they liked his potential.  McMahon seems like the type of player they want to keep.  I would be surprised if they went less than 10. 

At WR, Smith and Wilson are likely to make the roster as rookies.  I could see Wilson being a phantom IR player but he's 23.  They should want to play him because his developmental window is shorter. I don't think they keep Covey over Campbell.  They're the same age and Campbell is a better WR.  I am not crazy about the Parker signing and would be fine if they cut him.  I think, though, he's going to start out as the starting slot WR.  If he doesn't look washed or if Smith doesn't just out play him, they're going to keep him.  I don't see them keeping 7 WRs.  

You also have to look at the other side of the ball. Last season they had 27 on the initial 53 on the defensive side of the ball.  They kept 6 LBs (ILB and OLB) and 7 CBs.  I don't see them keeping less than 6 CBs this season. Assuming Bradberry is cut they have: Mitchell, Slay, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox and Rodgers.  They would have to move on from Ricks and Jobe.  At S, I am assuming it's just 3 with Blankenship, CJGJ and Brown.  At LB they have: Dean, White, Trotter, Burks, N. Smith, Huff, Baun and Hunt. It seems like they want VanSumeren.  He could be a PS player again but cutting him isn't ideal. Maybe they only keep 8 at DL.  Maybe it's: Graham, Sweat, Davis, Carter, William, Ojomo, Tuipluloto and Mustipher.   

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Go on.

If this guy is going to be as good as I think he's going to be, no way would I put him back for returns when we have Expendables out there that can likely be just as productive if not better.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We wasted a roster spot on Albert O all of last year, everything is relative.

They like Albert O. Not sure why, but they do. Not sure about Covey. The moves they have made indicates that they don't.

Fangio is so old and curmudgeonly, it's pretty funny

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

How do you define relatively equivalent? Covey was pretty damn good last year. 

Some silly stuff around here.

You're gonna cut a top PR guy to keep Parker or Wilson on the roster? How many touches does your 5th WR get, and if there's an injury, you promote someone from the PS or pick up a veteran off waivers.

I expect Smith to win the slot WR job, and even then he's going to have limited touches with Brown, Smith, Goedert and Barkley.

I think they're going to try to move Barkley around pre-snap, both to expose the defense but also to get him matched up against a LB/SS in space.

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

They like Albert O. Not sure why, but they do. Not sure about Covey. The moves they have made indicates that they don't.

I think they like Covey just fine.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Look, I hated Reno Mahe. The JAGGIEST of JAGS if there ever was one. But are we going by results or how they looked doing it. If you would have told me that over 5 years, Reno Mahe's punt return average was less than 1/2 yard less than DJack's I would say you're crazy. But proof is in the pudding. From a productivity stand point, Mahe produced a very respectable 9 YPR. 

I have no problem with Covey as the PR. I think he's just fine and a good option back there. I just think the Eagles have other options now that offer position flexibility. 

Mahe was a solid PR guy, not flashy but could make the first guy miss and strong enough to break tackles. Very underrated b/c he wasn't sexy, but as any HC whether they'd take a sexy returner who leaves the ball on the field and runs backward for losses at times or a reliable guy who gets you 10 yards a return on a regular basis.

Covey was very solid as a PR, you don't casually throw that away. We've seen a lot of guys who were great return guys in college flop in the pros.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Gainwell is a lock.  I am not sure they need 4 deep at RB but 3 deep is a concern. They certainly could keep 4 TEs.  Albert O never played but they did keep him on the 53.  Calcaterra has shown potential but I am not sure they were happy with his production. I would think Uzomah is on the roster and after that why not keep Calcaterra and Albert O who have some developmental potential. At OL, they just signed Fred Johnson because they liked his potential.  McMahon seems like the type of player they want to keep.  I would be surprised if they went less than 10. 

At WR, Smith and Wilson are likely to make the roster as rookies.  I could see Wilson being a phantom IR player but he's 23.  They should want to play him because his developmental window is shorter. I don't think they keep Covey over Campbell.  They're the same age and Campbell is a better WR.  I am not crazy about the Parker signing and would be fine if they cut him.  I think, though, he's going to start out as the starting slot WR.  If he doesn't look washed or if Smith doesn't just out play him, they're going to keep him.  I don't see them keeping 7 WRs.  

You also have to look at the other side of the ball. Last season they had 27 on the initial 53 on the defensive side of the ball.  They kept 6 LBs (ILB and OLB) and 7 CBs.  I don't see them keeping less than 6 CBs this season. Assuming Bradberry is cut they have: Mitchell, Slay, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox and Rodgers.  They would have to move on from Ricks and Jobe.  At S, I am assuming it's just 3 with Blankenship, CJGJ and Brown.  At LB they have: Dean, White, Trotter, Burks, N. Smith, Huff, Baun and Hunt. It seems like they want VanSumeren.  He could be a PS player again but cutting him isn't ideal. Maybe they only keep 8 at DL.  Maybe it's: Graham, Sweat, Davis, Carter, William, Ojomo, Tuipluloto and Mustipher.   

 

I said a 3rd RB is a lock, whether its Gainwell or someone else. I was trying to focus more on numbers than the actual person. 

They signed Fred Johnson just for two years, this being his last. He'll be 27 next month so I don't really see him as a real potential guy. Bringing in Becton was upgrading and going younger, which makes Johnson kind of irrelevant. But again, put him as one of the other 2 OL I said would likely be here, doesn't really matter. 

In any event, this all just shows there is a bit of a numbers crunch going on

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Gainwell is a lock.  I am not sure they need 4 deep at RB but 3 deep is a concern. They certainly could keep 4 TEs.  Albert O never played but they did keep him on the 53.  Calcaterra has shown potential but I am not sure they were happy with his production. I would think Uzomah is on the roster and after that why not keep Calcaterra and Albert O who have some developmental potential. At OL, they just signed Fred Johnson because they liked his potential.  McMahon seems like the type of player they want to keep.  I would be surprised if they went less than 10. 

At WR, Smith and Wilson are likely to make the roster as rookies.  I could see Wilson being a phantom IR player but he's 23.  They should want to play him because his developmental window is shorter. I don't think they keep Covey over Campbell.  They're the same age and Campbell is a better WR.  I am not crazy about the Parker signing and would be fine if they cut him.  I think, though, he's going to start out as the starting slot WR.  If he doesn't look washed or if Smith doesn't just out play him, they're going to keep him.  I don't see them keeping 7 WRs.  

You also have to look at the other side of the ball. Last season they had 27 on the initial 53 on the defensive side of the ball.  They kept 6 LBs (ILB and OLB) and 7 CBs.  I don't see them keeping less than 6 CBs this season. Assuming Bradberry is cut they have: Mitchell, Slay, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox and Rodgers.  They would have to move on from Ricks and Jobe.  At S, I am assuming it's just 3 with Blankenship, CJGJ and Brown.  At LB they have: Dean, White, Trotter, Burks, N. Smith, Huff, Baun and Hunt. It seems like they want VanSumeren.  He could be a PS player again but cutting him isn't ideal. Maybe they only keep 8 at DL.  Maybe it's: Graham, Sweat, Davis, Carter, William, Ojomo, Tuipluloto and Mustipher.   

 

Wilson makes me sing Big Boss Man:  "well you ain't so big, you just tall that's all . .. "

Fangio came across more like a tough uncle than crusty old grandpa in that press conference. 

Tush Push = good

bubble screens to semi-retired WR's = please don't 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tush Push = good

bubble screens to semi-retired WR's = please don't 

I hope they keep the jump ball go routes on 3rd and 4th & 5's. Those were fun.