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20 minutes ago, paco said:

I can’t see what the federal govt could gain by that.

RECs/SRECs however…..

To curry the favor of utility companies. They hate net metering.

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24 minutes ago, paco said:

I mean, maybe for the non heroes that didn’t buy solar panels. I’ll continue to live of cheap, clean, renewable energy and sell the leftover back to the power company

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1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

What does a gain for the federal government matter?

All it would take is one energy company wanting to remove incentives for home solar applications and to eliminate the burden of paying for the extra electricity to buy some trump coins and it’s done.

The comment was about Trump eliminating net metering

58 minutes ago, barho said:

To curry the favor of utility companies. They hate net metering.

I’m curious where you get "they hate net metering” from. I’ve done AMI implementations for 5 different utilities over 10 years, never once did I get a hint they hate net metering.

2 minutes ago, paco said:

I’m curious where you get "they hate net metering” from. I’ve done AMI implementations for 5 different utilities over 10 years, never once did I get a hint they hate net metering.

I work in renewables. Its a hassle for utilities to deal with net metering. They were made to do it through state legislation. If it went away they would be fine. With that being said, on the larger scale size (3MW projects here in PA) they aren't as upset with it as they get to pawn off utility upgrade costs to the developers. With resi, they just have to deal with the load shifting and payments,\. Heck, PECO has been showing me with an "estimate" bill for the last 7 months. Finally got them to I think fix it as I told them I would file a complaint with PSC if it wasn't fixed.

5 minutes ago, barho said:

I work in renewables. Its a hassle for utilities to deal with net metering. They were made to do it through state legislation. If it went away they would be fine. With that being said, on the larger scale size (3MW projects here in PA) they aren't as upset with it as they get to pawn off utility upgrade costs to the developers. With resi, they just have to deal with the load shifting and payments,\. Heck, PECO has been showing me with an "estimate" bill for the last 7 months. Finally got them to I think fix it as I told them I would file a complaint with PSC if it wasn't fixed.

Fair. But on the utility side, net metering should be baked into their overall smart metering solution. When they got grants to put in smart meters, they had to support net metering, HAN, etc to get their DOE funding. Many utilities jumped on it, including Exelon (I did PHIs), because they were able to lower their overall operational costs (RC/DC was a huge savings, automated outage notification saves on customer service costs, etc) by implementing all AMI had to offer while being heavily subsidized by the government.

So billing SHOULDN'T be an issue if they did it right. Load management however….

Funny thing is, HAN never took off despite the AMI gold rush in the late 2000s/2010s, but is becoming huge with ADMS/DERMS initiatives. Ironically EVs and Solar is driving that now. In fact, I’m on a IIJA backed DER project these days.

Just now, paco said:

Fair. But on the utility side, net metering should be baked into their overall smart metering solution. When they got grants to put in smart meters, they had to support net metering, HAN, etc to get their DOE funding. Many utilities jumped on it, including Exelon (I did PHIs), because they were able to lower their overall operational costs (RC/DC was a huge savings, automated outage notification saves on customer service costs, etc) by implementing all AMI had to offer.

Funny thing is, HAN never took off despite the AMI gold rush in the late 2000s/2010s, but is becoming huge with ADMS/DERMS initiatives. Ironically EVs and Solar is driving that now.

Well, all I can say is that many states have already gone from full net metering (paying retail rate to producer like we get here in PA) to net billing which basically allows the utility to provide the credit to the producer at the rate they are charged for the energy at the time it is produced which would be far less. So while not fully getting rid of it, they have greatly reduced it.

1 minute ago, barho said:

Well, all I can say is that many states have already gone from full net metering (paying retail rate to producer like we get here in PA) to net billing which basically allows the utility to provide the credit to the producer at the rate they are charged for the energy at the time it is produced which would be far less. So while not fully getting rid of it, they have greatly reduced it.

So, if I’m reading that correctly, they basically built in interval billing/dynamic pricing into their net metering calculations?

1 hour ago, paco said:

I can’t see what the federal govt could gain by that.

RECs/SRECs however…..

35 minutes ago, paco said:

The comment was about Trump eliminating net metering

He doesn't seem to like clean energy

2 hours ago, paco said:

I mean, maybe for the non heroes that didn’t buy solar panels. I’ll continue to live of cheap, clean, renewable energy and sell the leftover back to the power company

Not all heroes wear capes. Except me, I constantly wear one around the house so the wife and kids get the message.

New Jersey got hit with a 20% electricity rate hike in June.

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He doesn't seem to like clean energy

that's because he loves birds so much.

4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Not all heroes wear capes. Except me, I constantly wear one around the house so the wife and kids get the message.

New Jersey got hit with a 20% electricity rate hike in June.

that's biden's fault.

3 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

man, nothing says winning more than being sunk by WW1 technology in WW2.

I believe it was because they were better able to fly low and slow, and under where the anti-aircraft guns could fire. Better for torpedoes at sea.

To be fair battleships in WWII became far less important than aircraft carriers, though naval warfare in the Pacific vs Atlantic was very different.

Subs/u-boats going after the supply ships heading to England were more effective than the Bismarck.

I'd defer to Bill, but that's largely my read on WWII naval.

38 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I believe it was because they were better able to fly low and slow, and under where the anti-aircraft guns could fire. Better for torpedoes at sea.

To be fair battleships in WWII became far less important than aircraft carriers, though naval warfare in the Pacific vs Atlantic was very different.

Subs/u-boats going after the supply ships heading to England were more effective than the Bismarck.

I'd defer to Bill, but that's largely my read on WWII naval.

You have Midway where the ships didn’t even see each other. In the pacific, radar controlled guns were a game changer, but when it came to softening up ground targets, it turns out huge guns don’t matter when the enemy is living in caves dug out from volcanic rock.

My thoughts on this guy’s predilections are that a person is largely defined by the media they consume during their late childhood to preteen years.

That bozo spent too much time watching the the History Channel’s programming on Hitler’s Secret Weapons, and not what the cool kids like me were watching, which were History Channel shows about Patton and the fruits of American industry killing fascists by the bushel and also how Montgomery was a ussy.

15 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I believe it was because they were better able to fly low and slow, and under where the anti-aircraft guns could fire. Better for torpedoes at sea.

To be fair battleships in WWII became far less important than aircraft carriers, though naval warfare in the Pacific vs Atlantic was very different.

Subs/u-boats going after the supply ships heading to England were more effective than the Bismarck.

I'd defer to Bill, but that's largely my read on WWII naval.

i get the technical part of it, my main point is that the guy is glorifying a loser.

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AI experts return from China stunned: The U.S. grid is so...

China is "set up to hit grand slams,” longtime Chinese energy expert David Fishman told Fortune. "The U.S., at best, can get on base.”

ok, who do i call at wawa corporate to file a fraud complaint. i was told, by the most honest potus ever, and many are saying it, that gas was at $1.99 a gallon.

WELL, I JUST GOT CHARGED $3.17 !!!!!!!!!

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:
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AI experts return from China stunned: The U.S. grid is so...

China is "set up to hit grand slams,” longtime Chinese energy expert David Fishman told Fortune. "The U.S., at best, can get on base.”

And word on the street is the current admin is going to put FERC 2222 permanently on hold in the next 90 days, so that should help :/

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

ok, who do i call at wawa corporate to file a fraud complaint. i was told, by the most honest potus ever, and many are saying it, that gas was at $1.99 a gallon.

WELL, I JUST GOT CHARGED $3.17 !!!!!!!!!

For regular? Gross

I have never been to Vegas but I can see why there is a decline in tourism….charging you to use the fridge?!! lol

It's been that way in Vegas for a long time.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's been that way in Vegas for a long time.

Not just Vegas. Lots of lower end girls charge for "rentals” of mini fridges and microwaves

Hell… In Vegas saw fridges in hotels that tabulated how much you took out of the mini bar in the late 00’s, so you couldn’t get away with a late night raid and restock it before you leave.

11 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

ok, who do i call at wawa corporate to file a fraud complaint. i was told, by the most honest potus ever, and many are saying it, that gas was at $1.99 a gallon.

WELL, I JUST GOT CHARGED $3.17 !!!!!!!!!

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

For regular? Gross

JFC. You T’d that up and I didn’t take the bait. It’s been almost 12 hours and nothing?

Then again, I’m a little more progressive and ahead of the curve.

12 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's been that way in Vegas for a long time.

Im going to sound old, but I remember when Vegas used to be an uber cheap vacation. They just wanted you to gamble so food, drinks, and hotel were practically nothing.

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