Dennis Allen sucks and Carr sucks, but this has been a long time coming. They've been putting off a rebuild for years and it was always a matter of time before the bubble burst for them. They have a meh roster and are like 70m over the cap. They're a mess and no good coach is going to go there in the offseason. They should have hit the detonate button 3 years ago.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh it’s a bad product right now. There’s only 14 teams with a winning record and 11 with 3-6 record or worse. 14 teams below .500. And 18 teams at .500 or below. Some of these teams like the bears are 4-4 and Denver are 5-4 but when you look closer their schedule gave them a bunch of wins against bad teams. Bears beat titans, rams (down kupp and puka), Carolina and Jacksonville. Broncos beat Tampa ( when healthy solid win) then beat jets, raiders, saints and Carolina. All those teams suck they are not a playoff caliber team when you watch them most of the time vs. other playoff teams . I’d argue if you asked me how many legitimately good teams in the nfl right now, I’d say maybe 11: lions, chiefs, buffalo, Baltimore, eagles, Vikings, Washington, Atlanta, chargers, GB and Houston. Some of those 11 i think are good but i don’t think are legit contenders. For instance teams like Houston. They beat Buffalo but the rest of their wins have been bears, Indy twice, NE, jags.

True.

All that makes me more mad that if Siri wouldn't make such dumb decisions, they'd probably go deep in the playoffs.

It appears, since he yelled at fans he hasn't had those outbursts. He got national attention for it, and they must have discussed it internally. His overzealous aggressive decisions yesterday weren't the first this season that cost points, so hopefully he will shake himself out of that.

I like being aggressive in the right moments. I understand him thinking it's just the Jags and take advantage to try some things to see if they work. But when they didn't, then learn from it and take the points. He needs balance.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Dennis Allen sucks and Carr sucks, but this has been a long time coming. They've been putting off a rebuild for years and it was always a matter of time before the bubble burst for them. They have a meh roster and are like 70m over the cap. They're a mess and no good coach is going to go there in the offseason. They should have hit the detonate button 3 years ago.

This might be an all-time bad job opening. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Derek Carr… coach killer

 

 

"dat arm talent doe!" and "Good Lord, that arm!"

rstarter, iykyk

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This might be an all-time bad job opening. 

It’s because the Saints won’t let themselves just completely bottom out and let some of these contracts go. They keep just doubling down on trying to win with the roster they have and being in bad cap position. they should be trading a bunch of guys just to get rid of them for picks and eventually clear up cap space. And make some cuts so you could take the hit now and then down the road in a year or two you’re better off cap wise and have good draft picks. But they continuously keep doubling down and finding themselves in poor cap position and trading away picks

i’m just gonna give an example of bad management this year, Alvin Kamara just got an extension. You are going to be bad for the next couple years or more. So why not try and trade when his value is at a high cause he’s been very good this year and begin to rebuild the franchise as Kamara is more valuable as a trade asset then to the team the next two years. 

37 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It looked to me like he saw the 1st down marker with intent to get the 1st down, but he also saw the defenders and made a conservative, safe decision to not risk anything, also knowing that if he were to end up out of bounds the clock would stop so he had game management on mind as well.

Maybe he can teach Nick.

Eh, it was too conservative in my opinion. Yes, going down in bounds is the smart move. But he could have gotten a 1st to essentially end the game or at the least be a yard out from a first. He fell too early with no one really around him and left a good 3-4 yards on the field. It made converting harder than it needed to be which led to Jacksonville getting the ball back and almost having a game winning drive. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Derek Carr… coach killer

 

Yikes

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

His excuse of wanting to be aggressive is just non-sensical.  The Jags are not a good team. You don't need to aggressive because there's a small margin of talent difference.  You need to be mistake free and play sound football.  You want to play conservatively because that leads to the best chance to win. 

I agree...to a point. I think he was desperate to get 1st quarter points which is understandable, and the offensive roster is stacked with star talent playing against a bad team. So I get that initially. At the same time, take the points to get that monkey off your back, get the FG and then score again the next drive and now you've built confidence and a lead.

But if he's going to be aggressive early and it doesn't work, then you must switch to conservative to get the points and secure a comfortable lead. Then, if you want to try out some creative plays or put the analytics to the test or something, you can do that with a big lead against a bad team.

It's situational. I think Doug when he was here had better sense of when to be aggressive, as an advantage to the other team not expecting it vs just being too risky and stupid.

Siri just needs to find the balance. He's too emotional.

I don't want to do that much this deadline. 

I'd 100% trade Bryce Huff. He's super limited and doesn't fit the scheme well, whatever trade value he has is worth more than his value on the field.

ZBerm's Baron Browning idea was pretty good. Rotational rusher + direct backup for Baun.

Dark horse idea is trading for a nickel/S type with Fangio experience. If Fangio wants to play dime, he can't play Maddox. Ideally I'd like CJGJ there and Brown at safety, but that seems off the table for whatever reason.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Derek Carr… coach killer

 

This is a Doug/Press Taylor situation. No sympathy.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I don't want to do that much this deadline. Too many ascending guys at edge to decrease their reps in favor of a stopgap.

I'd 100% trade Bryce Huff. He's super limited and doesn't fit the scheme well, whatever trade value he has is worth more than his value on the field.

ZBerm's Baron Browning idea was pretty good. Rotational rusher + direct backup for Baun.

Dark horse idea is trading for a nickel/S type with Fangio experience. If Fangio wants to play dime, he can't play Maddox. Ideally I'd like CJGJ there and Brown at safety, but that seems off the table for whatever reason.

The issue with trading away huff is that you’re going to have to make up the snap somewhere else. You can give Nolan Smith some more snaps. But Brandon Graham played 37 snaps yesterday. Huff only played 6. I love Brandon Graham, but at this stage of his career, he should not be playing that amount of snaps. Really not very sustainable. They can trade huff but really they need to get someone in to help Graham and smith. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This might be an all-time bad job opening. 

Not for a CEO type...

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eh, it was too conservative in my opinion. Yes, going down in bounds is the smart move. But he could have gotten a 1st to essentially end the game or at the least be a yard out from a first. He fell too early with no one really around him and left a good 3-4 yards on the field. It made converting harder than it needed to be which led to Jacksonville getting the ball back and almost having a game winning drive. 

I see both sides of that, but of all the issues in the game it was the least of my concerns.

The defense let a garbage team waltz down the field and score easily. CJGJ talks trash but plays like trash and gives up easy plays. Maddox, ugh. Saquon was down that shouldn't have been a fumble. Nick not taking points multiple times. Missed tackles. False starts. Saquon playing it safe to avoid any possible turnover or being pushed out of bounds to stop the clock was at least giving intelligent thought into the scenario.

 

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I don't want to do that much this deadline. 

I'd 100% trade Bryce Huff. He's super limited and doesn't fit the scheme well, whatever trade value he has is worth more than his value on the field.

ZBerm's Baron Browning idea was pretty good. Rotational rusher + direct backup for Baun.

Dark horse idea is trading for a nickel/S type with Fangio experience. If Fangio wants to play dime, he can't play Maddox. Ideally I'd like CJGJ there and Brown at safety, but that seems off the table for whatever reason.

The Eagles are not in position to trade players away, and then have no depth. You want players for a playoff run. You don't want to be thin at a position and then have 1 injury and be screwed.

The defense has played better the last few games, but yesterday also let the Jags come back easily. Missed tackles, giving up easy completions and scores. They need to keep the defense intact, gel, improve and prepare for depth in case of injury and to step up against better teams especially playoffs.

They also should not trade for any players. Look at the history of the deadline trades. They aren't good, they are a waste for guys who are JAGS or don't contribute much. No point in trading for the next Avery or Quinn to do nothing.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I don't want to do that much this deadline. 

I'd 100% trade Bryce Huff. He's super limited and doesn't fit the scheme well, whatever trade value he has is worth more than his value on the field.

ZBerm's Baron Browning idea was pretty good. Rotational rusher + direct backup for Baun.

Dark horse idea is trading for a nickel/S type with Fangio experience. If Fangio wants to play dime, he can't play Maddox. Ideally I'd like CJGJ there and Brown at safety, but that seems off the table for whatever reason.

In terms of dime, and we're only talking about a few snaps per game it seems - I'd like Ringo to get some snaps.

3 hours ago, devpool said:

Sure, but do you really think if instead of fumbling Barkley had gotten up and scored they would've let that stand based on the same reasoning? Absolutely not

This is such a idiotic interpretation. On how many plays does an RB go down after pinballing off Olinemen? Many. Every player should now assume that they aren't down by contact and get up and run. The refs in this game were too into themselves. 

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I see both sides of that, but of all the issues in the game it was the least of my concerns.

The defense let a garbage team waltz down the field and score easily. CJGJ talks trash but plays like trash and gives up easy plays. Maddox, ugh. Saquon was down that shouldn't have been a fumble. Nick not taking points multiple times. Missed tackles. False starts. Saquon playing it safe to avoid any possible turnover or being pushed out of bounds to stop the clock was at least giving intelligent thought into the scenario.

If huff wasn’t so bad and have everyone’s attention, people would be giving CJGJ more gripe cause he’s really not been very good this year. Not that PFF is the end all be all but his grade is a 55.2 and he ranks 106th out of 140 safety’s. 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

That was a weak DPI call. 

It was an "appease Doug" call. Rodgers was handsy the play before and Doug was right there in the refs ear about it not getting called. The next play Maddox did that and you can see Doug on the sidelines again go right back into the refs ear. It's why the flag was so late after the play. 

Eagles have to open a roster spot in the next two days for Albert O.

 

 

Get excited. 

56 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You are definitely one of a kind

Nah, you can go back to that play and find a page of people saying the same thing. See, the problem there is they asked him to be a QB on that drive. 

At some point in a tight game they will again and that is who he is. They have simplified things and are leaning on the run, but he is still the same guy. Looks at one person, can't progress well, and makes mistakes. 

So this game manager/Trent Dilfer stuff is great, but it will be an issue vs good teams when he has to do more.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I don't like the play and wish they didn't use it all the time but refs are screwing us over. Flag the damn defense when they're clearly offside. It's crazy how they're allowing the Dline to basically touch the Olines helmets

Quinyon Mitchell yesterday...

1 target, 1 reception, 11 yards.

Well, guess they had to go back to giving me heart attacks. Was in the stands for this one, so didn't get to see as much. But here are my takeaways from the game.

OFFENSE

- Hurts played another strong game. Sure, he missed a couple open guys here and there, but he made up for it with some amazing plays as well. 230 yards passing, 67 on the ground, and 3 TDs -- that's 2022 Jalen. He's never going to be the guy to hit a bunch of timing routes and short passes, but using play action to throw the ball down the field is where he excels and the coaches are finally letting him do that. Another insane YPA at 9.2, 75% completion rate and no turnovers. The 2 completions on the last TD drive to DeVonta were perfection. He's firmly in the MVP race now.

- Barkley was amazing, but with 2 monster blemishes. The "fumble" can't happen, even though the refs got it wrong. And going down short of the 1st down was almost a huge mistake. But then he carves up the defense, makes a great TD catch, and we all saw the hurdle. Obviously, we'll take it. If he cleaned up those 2 things, he'd basically be the perfect RB, so it is nitpicking. But it does keep happening (drop against Falcons, not getting the 1st down against the Browns). 

- DeVonta's catch was the most absurd thing ever and happened right in front of my seats. I didn't think there was any way he was inbounds. Elite body control. He's a #1 receiver on at least half the teams in the league.

- It was far away from me, but that really didn't look like OPI on Wilson in the end zone.

- Jahan Dotson is alive?

- 210 passing, 237 rushing. 46 rushes to 24 passes. Old school football -- run and throw deep. Perfect gameplan that was almost ruined by the HC and refs...

DEFENSE

- The defensive line may have only sacked Lawrence twice, but they had pressure a lot and made him move. From my eyes, Sweat, Nolan and Carter played incredibly well. 

- Just can't say enough about the LBs, especially Baun. Guy seemed to be everywhere. It's unreal how much better the defense looks with competent linebacker play.

- I really tried to focus on Q and Coop, and I can say this -- they are legit. Lawrence wasn't throwing at Q because he was locking down his man. Coop is physical and fights for the ball. Getting to see more of the whole field than the TV angle, these guys are playing very well.

- CJGJ can't be in 1 on 1 coverage.

COACHING

- I just can't with the decision making anymore...while it looked like Jalen got the 2 points the first time, I have no clue why we didn't just go up 17-0 and get a 3 score lead. And then not kicking the FG to go up 25-16, and running that rollout play which everyone saw coming...Nick really was trying to cost us the game.  

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I agree...to a point. I think he was desperate to get 1st quarter points which is understandable, and the offensive roster is stacked with star talent playing against a bad team. So I get that initially. At the same time, take the points to get that monkey off your back, get the FG and then score again the next drive and now you've built confidence and a lead.

But if he's going to be aggressive early and it doesn't work, then you must switch to conservative to get the points and secure a comfortable lead. Then, if you want to try out some creative plays or put the analytics to the test or something, you can do that with a big lead against a bad team.

It's situational. I think Doug when he was here had better sense of when to be aggressive, as an advantage to the other team not expecting it vs just being too risky and stupid.

Siri just needs to find the balance. He's too emotional.

His emotions get in the way, but it almost seems like he has no feel for the game.  What's the benefit of being up 18-0 versus 17-0?   Just a stupid decision to take the points off the board in that moment.  The Jags had shown no life, so why give them anything to feel even the least bit good about?   Just take the point, and move on.   Similarly, he needs to stop going for it on 4th and 3ish when a 40 yard FG is staring him in the face, and the opponent has no points, especially when you are the vastly more talented team.   He needs to take the points and do better the next time to get 7, but stop trying to force it and stop trying to prove he is aggressive.   He's not aggressive, he's reckless.   Lane Johnson recognizes it.  Listen to Lane, Nick.  He's got more sense than you.