6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I wouldn't put Herbert in there either, but some do.

Herbert has 11 TD passes and 1 int this year and a 103 Qb rating. The chargers issues are they don’t have all that great of talent at Wr. They have mcconkey who’s a rookie, Joshua Palmer, johnston and jalen Reagor. Their best tight end is will dissly. His last int was week 2. 

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Disagree...

Fair point. But the Jags yardage and turnover differential was even greater, no?

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think Slay will be out. Just one good looking mans opinion 

Who have you been talking to?

 

 

1 hour ago, Eriv20 said:

Hurts is a product of the phenomenal talent he has around him. Not the other way around. this is why he is not a top qb in this league. If you put hurts on any other team without these WRs, rb and oline, he’s not a starter. 
If you gave this offense to Burrow, mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lamar even… or stroud, baker, Murray, Stafford? 
Every time he drops back to pass it is more a relief that he completes the pass. It’s terrible. 
Now he does some good things but he’s not above average, he peaked a few years ago and has never duplicated that success

It's hard to separate any QB from the talent on the team and the coaching.  It is a dependent position.  In some ways, you can't make an apples to apples comparison between Hurts and players like Herbert or Stafford because of Hurts' running ability.  I think people would be foolish to say that Mahomes or Allen wouldn't be better choices. I think it's not as easy as you think after that point.  My sense is after that the differences are not as clear.  

Lamar and Stafford would likely start ahead of Hurts.  Stafford would need to have a radically different offense.  I could see a situtation where the efficiency of the run game takes a big hit because of his inability to contribute in the run game.  Short yardage also looks a lot different.  You may not think of the tush push as a strategic advantage, but it is.  Lamar is having a great season passing the ball. He would be fun to watch on this team.  

Burrow has a lot of talent around him in Cincy.  He sometimes does not play well.  Part of that is the lack of running game but he also has come up small in big situations. He would be more efficient at times as a passer but he's not perfect.  

Herbert isn't a dynamic QB.  He has a great arm but he has done very little in the League.  This season is meh. He's not leading his team to victory every week. He's a glorified Kurt Cousins throwing short passes.  

Baker is erratic.  He has had big turnovers in key moments.  That's a no for me. 

Murray is a maybe but he's not terribly efficient and has struggled in the pocket.  He would not be able to add what Hurts adds in the run game.  

1 hour ago, pisceschica said:

 

Good call. Missed that.

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

I think Slay will be out. Just one good looking mans opinion 

Might be better that slay is out. It feels like every time we play Washington, Terry Mclaurin  destroys  him.
 

48 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

For me, football isn’t about the standings.  It’s the game itself.   With the Baltimore game, we will see two talented teams and two really strategic coaching staffs.  So well executed plays and the chess match of talented coordinators against each other.  We will see a similar product with the Commie games as Quinn built a very good staff.  It’s why I watch the All22.  

 

Should be fascinating. Two great running backs, two QBs who run(though Lamar runs more), really good run defenses, strong OLs. I give Baltimore a slight edge on offense because Lamar is so dynamic and I give us a defensive edge because of our back seven. When was the last time I could say that? I do not expect a track meet. 24-20 either way.

 I sincerely hope we handle the commodes because if we don’t we’re in for a world of hurt for the next five years. Will be fascinated to see what Fangio does with this game. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, just relax said:

Should be fascinating. Two great running backs, two QBs who run(though Lamar runs more), really good run defenses, strong OLs. I give Baltimore a slight edge on offense because Lamar is so dynamic and I give us a defensive edge because of our back seven. When was the last time I could say that? I do not expect a track meet. 24-20 either way.

 I sincerely hope we handle the commodes because if we don’t we’re in for a world of hurt for the next five years. Will be fascinated to see what Fangio does with this game. 

I have to believe Fangio will have something ready for the rookie 

personally, i might have dejawn in a Robber role so that he can spy the qb

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

I have to believe Fangio will have something ready for the rookie 

personally, i might have dejawn in a Robber role so that he can spy the qb

God no.

That was my first thought but then I said, hmmm. Maybe you’re not so crazy.

22 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

 

Defenders want no part of tackling Saquon.

15 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I have to believe Fangio will have something ready for the rookie 

personally, i might have dejawn in a Robber role so that he can spy the qb

Might be a good Sunday to let Sydney get some PT 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hurts is a top 5 QB in the league without queation.  Only two that you can without question put above him are Mahomes and Lamar.  Josh Allen has a really strong case.  Burrow is Debatable but Hurts has put himself above him at this point and I had him above Burrow already heading into last year.  Beyond that there is no one that comes close.

I would trade Hurts and multiple picks for Burrow tomorrow. AJ and DeVonta might get 1500 apiece. 

4 hours ago, devpool said:

Exactly this, everyone says hurts has a great deep ball but I disagree. Maybe 2 out of 10 are amazing, but he tends to underthrow A LOT. Idk if people are thinking they're great throws because our receivers have made amazing catches on underthrown balls, but he is not consistent at all either them. IMO, to have a great deep ball you have to do it consistently.

When he does throw a good one they are damn good, but not often enough are they actually good. Goes back to the arm strength knock, doesn't have the arm to hit the guys in stride every time but he'll hit one or two

Sorry, but nothing screams "I don’t pay attention to the rest of the NFL QBs”  than a take being "Hurts’ deep throws are overrated”.  

There are other things to complain about when it comes to him…for those that really want to nitpick.  

 

5 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I would trade Hurts and multiple picks for Burrow tomorrow. AJ and DeVonta might get 1500 apiece. 

So would I… perhaps anyway… It depends on the value of the extra picks.  We would gain in the passing game, but we would suffer in the running game. Some people don’t understand that even Saquon Barkley would not have his same level of effectiveness if Hurts was not his QB

11 minutes ago, McMVP said:

So would I… perhaps anyway… It depends on the value of the extra picks.  We would gain in the passing game, but we would suffer in the running game. Some people don’t understand that even Saquon Barkley would not have his same level of effectiveness if Hurts was not his QB

Hurts is definitely above average but there are clearly more than 2 guys better than him. A better passer would help Barkley as well, it can certainly work both ways. 

6 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Hurts is definitely above average but there are clearly more than 2 guys better than him. A better passer would help Barkley as well, it can certainly work both ways. 

I probably came into this conversation late.  I didn’t read far back enough if the conversation is whether or not there are more or less than 2 better passers of the ball than Hurts.  There are more than 2 for sure.  I agree there.

I don’t, however, agree that a better passer would necessarily benefit Saquon.  I think people are discounting the level of attention defenses still have to pay to Hurts as a running option.  That absolutely benefits Saquon in a huge way…as a runner.  

So while I agree that a passer like Burrow would get more production from AJ and Devonta, I don’t necessarily agree it would lead to more production from Saquon.  It’s a silly conversation anyway…because that trade isn’t on the table
 

 

17 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I probably came into this conversation late.  I didn’t read far back enough if the conversation is whether or not there are more or less than 2 better passers of the ball than Hurts.  There are more than 2 for sure.  I agree there.

I don’t, however, agree that a better passer would necessarily benefit Saquon.  I think people are discounting the level of attention defenses still have to pay to Hurts as a running option.  That absolutely benefits Saquon in a huge way…as a runner.  

So while I agree that a passer like Burrow would get more production from AJ and Devonta, I don’t necessarily agree it would lead to more production from Saquon.  It’s a silly conversation anyway…because that trade isn’t on the table
 

 

I think the larger conversation is whether Hurts helps you toward the goal of winning a championship, or does he hinder your team’s chances.  IMO he’s inconsistent to the point of varying answers within each season — this year it’s been within each game, for how badly he and the offense start games.

If he reduces the turnovers I believe he’s a net positive player, but his talent level isn’t sufficient to overcome a volume of mistakes in the way Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, or Lamar Jackson can.  How the offense performs over the next three weeks will tell a lot 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the larger conversation is whether Hurts helps you toward the goal of winning a championship, or does he hinder your team’s chances.  IMO he’s inconsistent to the point of varying answers within each season — this year it’s been within each game, for how badly he and the offense start games.

If he reduces the turnovers I believe he’s a net positive player, but his talent level isn’t sufficient to overcome a volume of mistakes in the way Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, or Lamar Jackson can.  How the offense performs over the next three weeks will tell a lot 

 

They can win the next 3 weeks and you'll still try to find ways to complain about Hurts.

I saw both Hurts and Burrow play in a Super Bowl and Hurts performance was far more impressive.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the larger conversation is whether Hurts helps you toward the goal of winning a championship, or does he hinder your team’s chances.  IMO he’s inconsistent to the point of varying answers within each season — this year it’s been within each game, for how badly he and the offense start games.

If he reduces the turnovers I believe he’s a net positive player, but his talent level isn’t sufficient to overcome a volume of mistakes in the way Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, or Lamar Jackson can.  How the offense performs over the next three weeks will tell a lot 

I’d leave Lamar out of that conversation…at least up to this point.  He has done nothing but have his worst performance of every season in the playoffs.  He has been the AFC version of Dak…albeit a better one (again, up to this point).

We saw Hurts perform in the playoffs, and perform well.  And yes, we’ve also seen him play not so great.  To me it’s been fairly obvious that the whole team was playing poorly too at those times, and not just him.  

I feel decent about his decision making about where to go with the ball.  My concern is his ball security in the pocket
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11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the larger conversation is whether Hurts helps you toward the goal of winning a championship..but his talent level isn’t sufficient to overcome a volume of mistakes in the way Allen, Burrow, or Lamar Jackson can.  

Almost 20 years of NFL experience between Allen, Burrow and Jackson, and exactly zero Super Bowl wins. And exactly the same number of appearances as Hurts.

2 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Fair point. But the Jags yardage and turnover differential was even greater, no?

The Eagles were underdogs against the Saints and heavy favorites against the Jags.

Both were decided late.  One would reasonably perceive that they performed better as the underdog.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

God no.

That was my first thought but then I said, hmmm. Maybe you’re not so crazy.

I like to think i am just crazy enough.

just a brainstorm as i am beyond bored recovering from hip surgery. I would love to know what Vic F would say even if he thinks it’s the worst idea ever.

f the Rams

10 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I’d leave Lamar out of that conversation…at least up to this point.  He has done nothing but have his worst performance of every season in the playoffs.  He has been the AFC version of Dak…albeit a better one (again, up to this point).

We saw Hurts perform in the playoffs, and perform well.  And yes, we’ve also seen him play not so great.  To me it’s been fairly obvious that the whole team was playing poorly too at those times, and not just him.  

I feel decent about his decision making about where to go with the ball.  My concern is his ball security in the pocket
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Interesr8nf how you day Llamar is the AFC Dak but don't say the same of Allen.  Both Allen and Llamar have only made ir to the AFC Championship Game once. Lamar has won 2 MVPs and is likely on his way to his 3rd.