1 minute ago, just relax said:

Strongly disagree. Burrow may be the better QB in Madden or in a "traditional” offense and as a pure passer but in this marvelous mix of Moore and Stoutland we are beginning to see something really special. Seriously, how do you stop this? What can we not do?

We can not seem to spread the ball around on offense.  Which,  with a real QB doing that would make this offense 10 times harder to stop. 

1 minute ago, just relax said:

Strongly disagree. Burrow may be the better QB in Madden or in a "traditional” offense and as a pure passer but in this marvelous mix of Moore and Stoutland we are beginning to see something really special. Seriously, how do you stop this? What can we not do?

I understand that our offensive line is very good at what they have been coached to do.  You tell me if you think Stout could not coach the offensive line to be pretty damn good in a ‘traditional’ offense as well.  

I will say that I think we probably currently have the best 4-minute offense in the league.  There is something to be said for that.

16 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I disagree…and I am pretty much a Hurts supporter (at least I do not go to the extremes that some do to nitpick his play).  With our current roster, I would say Burrow would be a net positive over Hurts. 

It’s just my opinion…and I don’t think the difference is as much as some others may think, but I do think Burrow is the better QB

 

Well Cincy and the Eagles should make the trade just to see which of us is right. 

2 hours ago, McMVP said:

I probably came into this conversation late.  I didn’t read far back enough if the conversation is whether or not there are more or less than 2 better passers of the ball than Hurts.  There are more than 2 for sure.  I agree there.

I don’t, however, agree that a better passer would necessarily benefit Saquon.  I think people are discounting the level of attention defenses still have to pay to Hurts as a running option.  That absolutely benefits Saquon in a huge way…as a runner.  

So while I agree that a passer like Burrow would get more production from AJ and Devonta, I don’t necessarily agree it would lead to more production from Saquon.  It’s a silly conversation anyway…because that trade isn’t on the table
 

 

IDK…a QB who looks at his RB more would def help Saquon out a bit.  He’s a helluva receiver too.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

IDK…a QB who looks at his RB more would def help Saquon out a bit.  He’s a helluva receiver too.

Yeah, I would not go that far.  He may be a good receiver, but his first and best quality is as a runner. And there is no denying that Hurts helps him quit a bit in that regard.  Just like he did with Sanders, and Swift.  Come to think of it…they should both be sending part of their new, and larger, game checks to  Jalen lol
 

This game has been brutal to watch. It's like a real-time manifestation of all the complaints about Hurts in this thread. 

6 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I understand that our offensive line is very good at what they have been coached to do.  You tell me if you think Stout could not coach the offensive line to be pretty damn good in a ‘traditional’ offense as well.  

I will say that I think we probably currently have the best 4-minute offense in the league.  There is something to be said for that.

It’s not about traditional offense or not to me.  It’s about Hurts advantage as a runner over Burrow.  I think that margin outweighs Burrow’s ability as a passer over Hurts. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

It’s not about traditional offense or not to me.  It’s about Hurts advantage as a runner over Burrow.  I think that margin outweighs Burrow’s ability as a passer over Hurts. 

Could be… and as you’ve said, he has been a bit more durable than Burrow so far.

I’ve already said that I don’t think the difference between the teams with either would be that big, so if you asked me this question in a couple weeks, I may have a different answer.  Part of my opinion may be due to recency bias and the way Burrow played the other night

9 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Yeah, I would not go that far.  He may be a good receiver, but his first and best quality is as a runner. And there is no denying that Hurts helps him quit a bit in that regard.  Just like he did with Sanders, and Swift.  Come to think of it…they should both be sending part of their new, and larger, game checks to  Jalen lol
 

It’s a give take…hurts just needs to be consistent.  Learn to adjust before half time (specifically in the 1st qtr).

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s a give take…hurts just needs to be consistent.  Learn to adjust before half time (specifically in the 1st qtr).

 

Lol, Hurts has been the most consistent QB in the league over the past 5 weeks not named Lamar Jackson.

2 hours ago, McMVP said:

Allen has a 5-5 postseason record, with a 26-5 TD/turnover ratio

Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record, with a 9-9 TD/turnover ratio

At the end of the day, that’s pretty simple math

 

 

Peyton Manning in his first 6 playoff games: 2-4 record with a 10-6 TD/turnover ratio.  Manning nad Lamar’s careers are actually pretty similar at this point in their careers except for Lamar being more prolific.  Manning didn't win his 2nd MVP until his 7th season and Lamar is about to win his 3rd in his 7th season.

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I don’t think Burrow is a better choice at Qb.  Hurts’s durability and skill as a runner are net positives over Burrow. Burrow has not performed well in big games. Part of that may be scheme and Zac Taylor.  I am not convinced that he would make this team much better than Hurts. 

Burrow hasn’t performed well in big games?  He’s 5-2 in the playoffs; Hurts is 2-3 and two of those losses to Tampa Bay he was hopeless in both games.  Simple disagree there.

Hurts is durable in the sense he suits up every game, but pretty much every single season he’s limited physically by the end due to the cumulative punishment of injuries.  If it’s not the shoulder it’s the ankle or the knee.

5 hours ago, McMVP said:

Sorry, but nothing screams "I don’t pay attention to the rest of the NFL QBs”  than a take being "Hurts’ deep throws are overrated”.  

There are other things to complain about when it comes to him…for those that really want to nitpick.  

 

Then why are so many underthrown?

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Burrow hasn’t performed well in big games?  He’s 5-2 in the playoffs; Hurts is 2-3 and two of those losses to Tampa Bay he was hopeless in both games.  Simple disagree there.

Hurts is durable in the sense he suits up every game, but pretty much every single season he’s limited physically by the end due to the cumulative punishment of injuries.  If it’s not the shoulder it’s the ankle or the knee.

Yup. And when he is hurt and his running is affected he is basically useless.

It's insane people in here would take Hurts over Burrow. With Burrow this team is probably undefeated and probably averaging almost 30 PPG.

8 hours ago, just relax said:

Will do. Fourth quarter, which was pretty much all garbage time.

I will be watching the garbage time to see Ringo, Brown, Trot2 and Burks play.  

6 hours ago, just relax said:

Strongly disagree. Burrow may be the better QB in Madden or in a "traditional” offense and as a pure passer but in this marvelous mix of Moore and Stoutland we are beginning to see something really special. Seriously, how do you stop this? What can we not do?

 Burrow is a better QB, like what world are you living in? If Joe had this offensive line we would have had another title by now, like come on. It's not close. 

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

We can not seem to spread the ball around on offense.  Which,  with a real QB doing that would make this offense 10 times harder to stop. 

At weekend Burrow hit 34 passes to 7 receivers.

Hurts completed 14 passes to 8 different receivers against Dallas, who else do you want to have a catch, how many catches to count? Against the Jaguars he hit 8 different players too.

I'm not even going along with the claim that Hurts is a better QB than Burrow, but to make the 'he isn't using enough receivers' criticism when we obviously have started to spread the ball seems a little predetermined.

9 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Almost 20 years of NFL experience between Allen, Burrow and Jackson, and exactly zero Super Bowl wins. And exactly the same number of appearances as Hurts.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison since those 3 all have to get through KC to get to the Super Bowl.

51 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

At weekend Burrow hit 34 passes to 7 receivers.

Hurts completed 14 passes to 8 different receivers against Dallas, who else do you want to have a catch, how many catches to count? Against the Jaguars he hit 8 different players too.

I'm not even going along with the claim that Hurts is a better QB than Burrow, but to make the 'he isn't using enough receivers' criticism when we obviously have started to spread the ball seems a little predetermined.

It's not that he's not using enough other WRs so much as he's not using other receivers enough. 

I thought this was Jalen’s best throw of the game. 
 

 

The back shoulder to Dotson was nice too, and under pressure. Very encouraging that he trusted Dotson with that throw and it was a 6 man rush.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

It's not that he's not using enough other WRs so much as he's not using other receivers enough. 

We are in the sense that he's only been throwing an average of 20 passes per game in the winning streak. If we're going to be throwing 40+ passes in a game, yeah, the other guys need more targets. But I don't think there's anyone that would argue that you want to take targets away from Brown, Smith, or Goedert when the pitch count is around 20 per game.

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

We can not seem to spread the ball around on offense.  Which,  with a real QB doing that would make this offense 10 times harder to stop. 

Burrow would hang 40 a game in this offense

10 hours ago, just relax said:

Strongly disagree. Burrow may be the better QB in Madden or in a "traditional” offense and as a pure passer but in this marvelous mix of Moore and Stoutland we are beginning to see something really special. Seriously, how do you stop this? What can we not do?

Read a blitz?

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

It's not that he's not using enough other WRs so much as he's not using other receivers enough. 

I'm sure you're trying to say something profound here but, well, you didn't.