20 minutes ago, Swoop said:

"He only has Smith!"

"He's been in a new system each season!'

"It's Sirianni's fault!''

"Kelce retired, what do you expect?"

"The sun was in his eyes!"

"Brian Johnson made him do it!"

"AJ Brown is a diva and he's making the offense struggle!"

Maybe it's time to start pointing the finger at the Quarterback?

To be fair he did get a new OC and new C. Plus there's rust

But he has too many weapons for this to be a repeat occurrence this season. He should be playing like an MVP

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

To be fair he did get a new OC and new C. Plus there's rust

But he has too many weapons for this to be a repeat occurrence this season. He should be playing like an MVP

He should have actually won the MVP already

Looking at this, the decision to throw is actually more defensible.

But he's late and should have just thrown the ball immediately and it's a TD.

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Keep the QB sneak.   Lose the Tush Push.   If you use under center snaps much more frequently and if you don't crowd around the ball like a rugby scrum, you don't need as much pushing from behind, because you aren't pushing as much mass from the defense.  Spread them out wide, and then you can just run a regular old QB sneak, with a QB that benches so much and actually have the advantage, because you have the element of surprise on your side.  Even move Barkley out of the backfield in motion just before the snap and have him take a LB with him.   Why telegraph it so freaking much?  And if you run a QB sneak from under center, but from a spread position... if the defense over commits, you can run a million counters to it and make the defense pay for over committing.  Once upon a time, they actually had some counter plays off of the Tush Push.  Where did they go?    Lack of imagination due to the success they found with it.   And they started to think about it and TALK about it as some type of cheat code.  It wasn't.  It never was.

But the big question is. Why?

Occam's Razor exists for a reason. Why would you abandon Brotherly Shove? Because of a couple botched attempts with a brand new center who's almost never run said attempts? What made Brotherly Shove useful was that it was  high success short yardage power play that demoralized the defense. But what I do think is yes, it should be treated more like a general formation. One change I'd use actually is to go single back so I could run toss from it, because the telegraphed nature of the play is actually really useful.

I have no idea why people are turning on the play now.

7 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Rodgers doesn't have a position even when he's healthy. He's an outside CB. That job is Mitchells now. Cooper DeJean is who we need to hope takes over the slot.

Luckily Fangio probably isn't silly enough to think this way. Because his job is to field a solid defense, not to appease fans or players. Thank god.

I guess we got through the game without the dreaded drop tackle - perhaps that explains the defense’s trouble bringing down runners. Is going low on the wham blocks also out?

58 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What makes you say that? I honestly expected NFCN and AFCE to be the reason 49ers don't do well this season

I just think the Lions will take a step back this season.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Looking at this, the decision to throw is actually more defensible.

But he's late and should have just thrown the ball immediately and it's a TD.

You know the one thing you can't be when throwing across your body into the middle of the field?

 

 

LATE.   In other words... still not defensible.  It was a terrible decision, with terrible consequences.   Windows close too fast in the NFL for that, especially when, again, we know that he's not got the greatest arm strength.  He had no chance of completing that.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

You know the one thing you can't be when throwing across your body into the middle of the field?

LATE.   In other words... still not defensible.  It was a terrible decision, with terrible consequences.   Windows close too fast in the NFL for that, especially when, again, we know that he's not got the greatest arm strength.  He had no chance of completing that.

Pause it at the 5 second mark. If he just throws it, instead of pointing, it's a TD.

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

To be fair he did get a new OC and new C. Plus there's rust

But he has too many weapons for this to be a repeat occurrence this season. He should be playing like an MVP

Which is why playing in the pre-season would have made all the sense in the world. Knock off the rust before game 1 rather than during game 1. 

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

But the big question is. Why?

Occam's Razor exists for a reason. Why would you abandon Brotherly Shove? Because of a couple botched attempts with a brand new center who's almost never run said attempts? What made Brotherly Shove useful was that it was  high success short yardage power play that demoralized the defense. But what I do think is yes, it should be treated more like a general formation. One change I'd use actually is to go single back so I could run toss from it, because the telegraphed nature of the play is actually really useful.

I have no idea why people are turning on the play now.

I've been against it since the beginning.

 

1 - Kelce was amazing at QB sneaks long before the Tush Push.  The center has the greatest impact on it.

2 - The OVER RELIANCE on the Tush Push is one of my major complaints about it, and it was stated by Sirianni (not explicitly, but the meaning was obvious) that they would run plays in some moments of games to set it up.  

3 - They would run it on 3rd down far too frequently in spots where the fact that you have it in your back pocket should open up your playbook to go for the jugular rather than 'settle' for a fresh set of downs.  (Situationally, of course.) 

4 - Once upon a time they showed some wrinkles to play off of it.  They have completely evaporated.  One of the great things about a play that the defense is so keyed on is to take advantage of them over committing to it.   I can't remember the last time they actually ran a counter off the formation.

 

Bring the Guards in tight... with a single back (Barkley) and stay in 11 personnel to spread the defense out a little bit more.  A big play is still possible for an overcommitment to that play.  And the best part is, the OL can usually still do the same thing, even on a pass play.  If they are just firing forward and low, they will still be within a yard of the LOS when the ball is thrown.  It's just a lack of imagination to use it that much.  And more importantly, they pigeon hole themselves by doing it so much.  

Yeah AJ was open, hurts was too indecisive and then under threw and AJ slipped. Not that it would have made any difference but it should have been a easy TD and ended up an INT 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Pause it at the 5 second mark. If he just throws it, instead of pointing, it's a TD.

Yes.   That's what makes it LATE and its why Alexander broke off his coverage.  He saw that point and went to that spot too.

 

It was a bad play.  There's no getting around it.

 

Also, that's the difference between him and Mahomes.  Mahomes would just have fired it when he saw it... maybe even with an underhand windmill if necessary, but it wouldn't have been late to arrive.  And it would have had more velocity on it.

10 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Luckily Fangio probably isn't silly enough to think this way. Because his job is to field a solid defense, not to appease fans or players. Thank god.

What makes you think differently? Rodgers hasn't practiced once in the slot. Quinyon Mitchell is CB2 now. Cooper DeJean is the slot in training. When he's ready, the job is his. I just don't know where Rodgers fits.

2 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

To be honest it was an easy call. Anyone with eyes could tell Becton was talented and needed to leave the Jets 

I remember when we played the Jets his rookie year. He about killed Josh Sweat. Total physical domination. I couldn’t take my eyes off him. The next Jonathan Ogden, I thought.

How Douglas and Saleh could not only let him go but  essentially forced him out, blows my mind. Ah, the Jets.

Cooper also yapping hahaha love it

 

Stud

If I were GB I'd be on the phone with Tannehill.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've been against it since the beginning.

 

1 - Kelce was amazing at QB sneaks long before the Tush Push.  The center has the greatest impact on it.

2 - The OVER RELIANCE on the Tush Push is one of my major complaints about it, and it was stated by Sirianni (not explicitly, but the meaning was obvious) that they would run plays in some moments of games to set it up.  

3 - They would run it on 3rd down far too frequently in spots where the fact that you have it in your back pocket should open up your playbook to go for the jugular rather than 'settle' for a fresh set of downs.  (Situationally, of course.) 

4 - Once upon a time they showed some wrinkles to play off of it.  They have completely evaporated.  One of the great things about a play that the defense is so keyed on is to take advantage of them over committing to it.   I can't remember the last time they actually ran a counter off the formation.

 

Bring the Guards in tight... with a single back (Barkley) and stay in 11 personnel to spread the defense out a little bit more.  A big play is still possible for an overcommitment to that play.  And the best part is, the OL can usually still do the same thing, even on a pass play.  If they are just firing forward and low, they will still be within a yard of the LOS when the ball is thrown.  It's just a lack of imagination to use it that much.  And more importantly, they pigeon hole themselves by doing it so much.  

I think this part about it makes me want it to be removed the most

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

If I were GB I'd be on the phone with Tannehill.

If was season ending I would have called Brady 

6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

If was season ending I would have called Brady 

Can an owner play for another team?

Sorry, Sister Mary Godzilla. May an owner play for another team?

8 minutes ago, just relax said:

Can an owner play for another team?

Sorry, Sister Mary Godzilla. May an owner play for another team?

Nope.  Can't even watch a practice of another team for his other job.  The game he's calling this week will likely be the first time he won't have watched practice of BOTH defenses playing in the game he's involved in.   

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think this part about it makes me want it to be removed the most

The fact that the Eagles had a >90% success rate with it makes me want to keep it. An old coach said, if a play succeeds, run it again. Run it again until they stop it. Don’t assume they figured it out.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Can't even watch a practice of another team for his other job.  The game he's calling this week will likely be the first time he won't have watched practice of BOTH defenses playing in the game he's involved in.   

What I thought.

13 minutes ago, just relax said:

Can an owner play for another team?

Sorry, Sister Mary Godzilla. May an owner play for another team?

He isn't but good try. 

He wanted to play for the Niners last year so what gives in 9 months, nothing.