1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Turnovers from the QB are part of the game.  Foolish turnovers are the bigger concern.  He's got to get better about situational awareness.  He's played way too much football to continue to make some of these same mistakes.  Year 5 in the NFL.  Starter at a big time college program for at least 3 years, I think.  And I think he started all 4 years in HS, and his dad is a coach.  How haven't some of these situations been drilled into him since he was about 14 or 15 years old?  

Hurts was very good with not turning the ball over in 2022.  I choose to believe that he can get back to that with proper coaching. 

Another thing to keep in mind that conveniently gets swept under the rug:

The guy has an elite line. He has enough elite running game. He has elite weapons. He has a very good OC.

All of the help and talent in the world and he still continues to make some absolutely brain dead decisions.

39 minutes ago, just relax said:

With all due respect, this is complete nonsense. 

I respect your opinion, but disagree.  The play has become too powerful in the mind of Sirianni and they lean on it far too much.  Kelce is gone, and the abundant effectiveness seems to have gone with him.  The backup centers and the backup QBs all struggled with it in the PS, and nearly all of them had botched snaps, IIRC.  And we saw a botched snap from Jurgens and Hurts on Friday Night.  (It was also stopped on an earlier 3rd down play and they had to line up to try it again on 4th, but were able to draw the DL offsides.  The starters are now 0-2 with the play this season.)  I don't think it's a coincidence. Defenses are stressing the centers more than ever on that play now, and these other centers aren't Jason Kelce.  And we saw teams around the league, and in college trying it and not having the same level of success.  They also didn't have Jason Kelce to run it.  Kelce seems to be the lynchpin to the success, and the success goes back to before Sirianni and the Tush Push version of the sneak.   This team has always been really really good at the QB sneak with Jason Kelce over the ball.  He's gone now.  Time to turn the page.

5 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Can someone tell me what think new kick off rules are trying to achieve ?

i honestly don’t get it. 

I think they thought people would kick it short and there would be a play with less injuries because of the kicking team having less running momentum because of the initial alignment.  None of which has come true.  Next step I think will be to just place the ball on the 25 unless teams chose onside kick.  I know traditionalists will complain but that makes for less stoppages and would be fine with me

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Hurts - For me it is pretty clear.  Hurts needs to develop his game so that more, not all, of it is done standing tall in the pocket.  Moore can help by calling games that ultimately help Hurts in the long run which means not calling a lot of plays where Hurst has the option to run.  Teams have caught up to those and Hurts isn't as quick as he was a few years back.  I'd be happy reducing those to just a couple per game.  The 2nd and biggest item is for Hurts to simply learn to stay in the pocket and use his leg/body strength from there.  The moment he starts moving back and right he is cooked.  More Big Ben and less Vick.

For past players to look at, McNabb, McNair, and Vince Evans come to mind.  I'm not saying Hurts is those guys but they all progressed into being more classic pocket passers over time which really helped them develop their careers as their legs started to fade.

Vince Evans or Vince Young?  Vince Evans is from the Way Back Machine!     

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Vince Evans or Vince Young?  Vince Evans is from the Way Back Machine!     

Haha, I saw Evans in person in college when USC played at Pitt.  Haden got hurt and Evans actually played in the game.  USC squeaked it out and went on to win the Rose Bowl and the national championship.  I was just a kid but yeah it was "way back".  So, yeah I meant Evans.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I respect your opinion, but disagree.  The play has become too powerful in the mind of Sirianni and they lean on it far too much.  Kelce is gone, and the abundant effectiveness seems to have gone with him.  The backup centers and the backup QBs all struggled with it in the PS, and nearly all of them had botched snaps, IIRC.  And we saw a botched snap from Jurgens and Hurts on Friday Night.  (It was also stopped on an earlier 3rd down play and they had to line up to try it again on 4th, but were able to draw the DL offsides.  The starters are now 0-2 with the play this season.)  I don't think it's a coincidence. Defenses are stressing the centers more than ever on that play now, and these other centers aren't Jason Kelce.  And we saw teams around the league, and in college trying it and not having the same level of success.  They also didn't have Jason Kelce to run it.  Kelce seems to be the lynchpin to the success, and the success goes back to before Sirianni and the Tush Push version of the sneak.   This team has always been really really good at the QB sneak with Jason Kelce over the ball.  He's gone now.  Time to turn the page.

This is a reasonable argument. The upside is one or two yards argument was not. Sometimes that yard is precious. If Jurgens can’t do what Kelce did then I would agree. However, I submit that it’s too early to tell.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Hurts was very good with not turning the ball over in 2022.  I choose to believe that he can get back to that with proper coaching. 

I want to believe that too.   I can only judge by the evidence being presented.  As of today, he needs to get better, which is what a lot of folks are saying.  And, it seems you agree with them.  I desperately WANT him to get back to that.  But, 2022 Hurts was also a bigger running threat than 2023 Hurts.  Can he be 2022 Hurts with the ball, without being the running threat.

This is what happens though.  Once a player breaks out, DCs across the league look for ways to stop them.  The DCs have adjusted to Hurts, now he needs to adjust to their adjustments.  As he's playing right now, he's easily top 15 in the league.  I think everyone wants him to get back to the top 5.  If he eliminates the egregious mistakes, he can do that.   Friday night's performance was very good overall... but the glaring mistakes that cost the team points is concerning moving forward against the best of the best of the league... and frankly, could have cost the team Friday Night against a playoff caliber opponent.  Giving away 3 points with a turnover in the RZ hurts in a high scoring game like that.  The same is true of turning the ball over throwing into heavy traffic to a blanketed receiver in your own end of the field, handing the opponent 3 points, and maybe 7.  Those two mistakes were potentially 10 points.  And that's a very very significant thing in a 5 point victory.

I think our season is over. Love out 3-6 weeks. Will we win a game in that stretch? I hope so but we’re in trouble.

1 minute ago, just relax said:

This is a reasonable argument. The upside is one or two yards argument was not. Sometimes that yard is precious. If Jurgens can’t do what Kelce did then I would agree. However, I submit that it’s too early to tell.

I did state that in the wall of text.   It is contextual.  Certain game situations, that one yard is immensely important.  But, not as frequently as they did it.  IMO, it was greatly overused and overemphasized.   And now with the change at C... I think the effectiveness will drop off sharply to more around the league average of doing it.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I want to believe that too.   I can only judge by the evidence being presented.  As of today, he needs to get better, which is what a lot of folks are saying.  And, it seems you agree with them.  I desperately WANT him to get back to that.  But, 2022 Hurts was also a bigger running threat than 2023 Hurts.  Can he be 2022 Hurts with the ball, without being the running threat.

This is what happens though.  Once a player breaks out, DCs across the league look for ways to stop them.  The DCs have adjusted to Hurts, now he needs to adjust to their adjustments.  As he's playing right now, he's easily top 15 in the league.  I think everyone wants him to get back to the top 5.  If he eliminates the egregious mistakes, he can do that.   Friday night's performance was very good overall... but the glaring mistakes that cost the team points is concerning moving forward against the best of the best of the league... and frankly, could have cost the team Friday Night against a playoff caliber opponent.  Giving away 3 points with a turnover in the RZ hurts in a high scoring game like that.  The same is true of turning the ball over throwing into heavy traffic to a blanketed receiver in your own end of the field, handing the opponent 3 points, and maybe 7.  Those two mistakes were potentially 10 points.  And that's a very very significant thing in a 5 point victory.

Yes, the critical mistakes are really inarguable.  They are happening too much and need to stop.  To me I don't think it has to do with defenses figuring him out. In fact I think he handled blitz and other situations fine. A step forward there.  The brain farts were largely unforced.

3 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

I think our season is over. Love out 3-6 weeks. Will we win a game in that stretch? I hope so but we’re in trouble.

That's what you paid Josh Jacobs for.  Have to ride him a bit against the beatable teams

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That's what you paid Josh Jacobs for.  Have to ride him a bit against the beatable teams

He looked bad. I feel there is no hope for our season.

7 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

My thoughts on the game...

- Yes, Hurts' performance was a problem. The TDs to AJ and Saquon were great - but we already know Hurts throws an elite deep outside ball. What we don't know is whether he can make consistently good decisions, both in the pocket and on zone reads. This game was 2023 all over again from Hurts.

- Saquon was much better than I expected. I knew he still had burst, but he showed much closer to rookie year Saquon than I ever would've expected. If he's this guy for 2 years, what a home run signing.

- Jalen Carter gets held a lot, but it's been a while since he's taken over a game. Still a really, really good player, but when you have Hall of Fame talent the standard is higher. I think he'll step up.

- Mitchell was incredible. The deep pass breakup against Watson and that RZ crosser he clamped down on were classic Eagles CB catnip, and he said no not me. Smarts, speed, toughness, swagger. Insane upside.

- AJ Brown and Devonta Smith, casual greatness. We can't take these guys for granted.

- I'm really interested in what the tape shows on Baun. Seemed to line up all over and make plays all over. Interesting usage.

Hurts ran PRO a few times without much success.  A few even resulted in loss of yardage.  To the credit of Packers defense, they had a plan to cover that play.  Still, Hurts needs to process the situation better and more quickly to make that play worked.

Saquon had a good debut as an Eagle.  However many of his runs were for short gains.  I'd have thought the OL would open more or wider lanes for him to run on.  If it is an early season issue, they could fix that in practices.

2 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Hurts ran PRO a few times without much success.  A few even resulted in loss of yardage.  To the credit of Packers defense, they had a plan to cover that play.  Still, Hurts needs to process the situation better and more quickly to make that play worked.

Saquon had a good debut as an Eagle.  However many of his runs were for short gains.  I'd have thought the OL would open more or wider lanes for him to run on.  If it is an early season issue, they could fix that in practices.

Field conditions lead to a heavy read and react role for the DL’s, RPO isn’t as effective then.  I’ll give that rust was being shaken off as well.

That field was trash and games in third wild countries should be left to the teams with losing records.

20 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

He looked bad. I feel there is no hope for our season.

Probably part of it was the field. I feel he is going to be good for you guys this year.  Only problem now is he next few weeks will be tough because teams will stack the box and make whoever your QB is beat them.  But your head coach is one of the better offensive minds so he should be able to figure it out.

58 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Hurts was very good with not turning the ball over in 2022.  I choose to believe that he can get back to that with proper coaching. 

At this point 2022 hurts is beginning to look like a fluke year. That’s his only good year. The rest, wildly mediocre at best 

1 hour ago, MrGreenBay said:

I think our season is over. Love out 3-6 weeks. Will we win a game in that stretch? I hope so but we’re in trouble.

Will be happy to give you Kenny Pickett for a 2nd Rounder!

24 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

At this point 2022 hurts is beginning to look like a fluke year. That’s his only good year. The rest, wildly mediocre at best 

That's been the case.  He's just stacking more and more evidence.

58 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Field conditions lead to a heavy read and react role for the DL’s, RPO isn’t as effective then.  I’ll give that rust was being shaken off as well.

I think Hurts got hit way too much.  Ran 13 times, 2 sacks, 2 TushPush and hit several more times.  Eagles can't allow him to be hit 20 +times a game.

Wtf is up with this dude.

Probably didn’t pay child support 

2 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Probably didn’t pay child support 

Rosenhaus says traffic violation

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wtf is up with this dude.

Accused of putting sperm banks out of business