Even if AJ doesn't slip and somehow catches that for a TD, the first thing coaches will say to him in film review is "you got away with that one". 

It's football 101. It wasn't a smart thing to do.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not true.  The ball never gets to Brown, it was undercut by Alexander.  At best, Brown is in position to break up the INT, he was never in position to make the reception with the time and location that Hurts put the ball.

The ball should have been thrown sooner, he shouldn’t have thrown it across his body - yes.  If you re-watch the play, AJ slips before Alexander is anywhere near the ball - AJ would have moved up - meaning it would have been a contested catch that Brown likely wins.  At worse, it would have been broken up like you say but we’ve seen Brown come down with those time and time again. 

There were reports this summer that the Eagles reached out to Milton Williams agent about a extension. Vic is a fan of his as well. I think they get something done

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Even if AJ doesn't slip and somehow catches that for a TD, the first thing coaches will say to him in film review is "you got away with that one". 

It's football 101. It wasn't a smart thing to do.

That’s why my initial post said, "despite the mistakes…”

 

No one is advising to keep trying those type of plays. 

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I've lost count of how many times this has had to be said, but Williams and Davis don't play the same position in this defense.

Completely aware of that. Just looking at money being spent on the DL.

 

I know what DGunn reported, but when Howie gets him back for a 2027 5th. 

Howie:

Howie doesn't want to pay him

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Howie doesn't want to pay him

It’s a stupid scenario that people keep bringing up. Reddick was traded because he wasn’t going to get his money here and they signed Huff. The Jets, for whatever reason, made the trade and still tried to play hardball with him on a new deal knowing he was demanding one. So unless if Reddick wants to take a low-ball deal with another team just to spite the Jets, it’s not happening here. 

4 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Howie doesn't want to pay him

 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The ball should have been thrown sooner, he shouldn’t have thrown it across his body - yes.  If you re-watch the play, AJ slips before Alexander is anywhere near the ball - AJ would have moved up - meaning it would have been a contested catch that Brown likely wins.  At worse, it would have been broken up like you say but we’ve seen Brown come down with those time and time again. 

No.   He can't body up like you are suggesting, because he'd have to run through Alexander to get to the ball.   The best case scenario is an incomplete pass.   There is nothing redeeming about that play at all.   The easy TD that you want to suggest independent of Brown slipping is staying in the pocket and hitting Goedert to the left side of the end zone near the boundary.   THAT was the easy TD.  

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure we have never seen Brown come down with a catch where he's running forward towards the ball and the defender is in the way boxing him out to make the INT.  That's just not a 'contested catch' of the style that most WRs win.  Those are the situations where the WR would try to become the defender and knock it away.  Brown would have seen Alexander in his peripheral vision and played DB, just like he did earlier in the game on a slant.

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That’s why my initial post said, "despite the mistakes…”

 

No one is advising to keep trying those type of plays. 

Then why defend it?

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That’s why my initial post said, "despite the mistakes…”

 

No one is advising to keep trying those type of plays. 

I wasn't even directing that at you. I just think the point is getting lost in the on-going discussion the more this play gets dissected across every platform. 

46 minutes ago, just relax said:

The bigger question is do they think he will do enough to warrant his fifth year option.

Thats seems like a no brainer to me

the next deal could be tricky, however

I don't even see how the Jets could trade him at this point. You spent a 3rd, got absolutely nothing besides headaches and then flipped him for less.

Joe Douglas might as well pack his bags now if that's his plan. 

No one wanted to pay him when the Eagles originally shopped him, why would any team trade for him now? He's made it clear he's not playing unless he gets his money, so if no team is willing to pay him, what will change?

The only team that might make sense are the Eagles if they have another game Monday night and the edges don't get any pressure, and they've already had previous negotiating with Reddick's agent, so they have a basis that no other team has. Maybe they meet in the middle or something. But other than that, it's a very bizarre situation. It's wild that no team values him.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Then why defend it?

Maybe because all the people who have disliked Jalen Hurts for years immediately lost their minds over the play when it really wasn't that bad. And now that the film has shown it wasn't that bad, they are doubling down. 

40 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There’s zero chance Alexander outmuscles AJ Brown in a contested catch.  AJ would have stepped up to make the play the same way he does every time there’s a contested catch - he’s likely the best at in the NFL.

...while at the same time curing cancer and ending hate around the world.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Then why defend it?

 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I wasn't even directing that at you. I just think the point is getting lost in the on-going discussion the more this play gets dissected across every platform. 

I wasn’t defending the play - more along the lines of "This is how much talent this team has” - that despite the mistakes that still could have been a TD.  The talent this team has can bail them out of making mistakes.

 

That said - we saw that a lot in the first 11 games of last season.  Then we hit a wall when everything just seemed to break down and even the talent wasn’t enough to win.  So obviously we shouldn’t rely on talent alone and plays like that should be avoided. 

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Davis is a space occupier.  The question is how many snaps he can do that for.  At this point, the question of whether or not Davis can generate pressure has been answered.  He can’t and won’t.

He can't generate pressure as he has no pash rush moves.  All he does is try to bully/push back the OL in front of him.  The trade was a disaster.  They gave up two picks to move up one spot get Davis and then the Ravens take an all-pro safety with the Eagles pick.

Watched the tape of the Titans-Bears game and T'Vondre Sweat in his first game looked better than Davis has after two years.  Sweat is 366 and has the same profile as Davis.  And Sweat was a second round pick.

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Davis is a space occupier.  The question is how many snaps he can do that for.  At this point, the question of whether or not Davis can generate pressure has been answered.  He can’t and won’t.

Ok, so extend and pay him accordingly, i.e. not a big number.  A run stuffing space eating DT is a useful player on the roster.  Not what we hoped we drafted but not a complete bust either.

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No one wanted to pay him when the Eagles originally shopped him, why would any team trade for him now? He's made it clear he's not playing unless he gets his money, so if no team is willing to pay him, what will change?

The only team that might make sense are the Eagles if they have another game Monday night and the edges don't get any pressure, and they've already had previous negotiating with Reddick's agent, so they have a basis that no other team has. Maybe they meet in the middle or something. But other than that, it's a very bizarre situation. It's wild that no team values him.

The only way it makes sense is if the Reddick decides that, if he isn't getting paid this year, he'd rather play for his hometown team and then hit the market this offseason. There's no way Howie gives him an extension. And I can't see Douglas flipping him back here. Also, he already is on the cap for $21.5mm in dead money this year, so adding another $14.25mm (pro rated for however many games he plays) would drive his cost to $30-35mm. The dead money is a sunk cost, but adding let's say ~$12.6mm for 15 games of Reddick means we have zero cap to roll to 2025 when we will need it.

Frankly, we'd need Reddick to be willing to play out his contract AND the Jets to eat some of his $$$. So, it ain't happening.

 

 

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't even see how the Jets could trade him at this point. You spent a 3rd, got absolutely nothing besides headaches and then flipped him for less.

Joe Douglas might as well pack his bags now if that's his plan. 

That's where I am, what is Reddick even worth at this point?  If I'm a GM looking at this situation I see a guy who hasn't done any football training for most of this year and has just screwed the last team to trade for him without ever playing a snap.

The Jets can wait him out until his contract expires, at the moment he's costing them nothing, does the last year of his contract toll if he doesn't play a snap?. Because the Jets have pretty big leverage if they can say he still owes them a year.