2 minutes ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

It was the same thing with Schwartz, how can everybody else find personnel for their schemes. Did Fangio tell Howie just draft everybody from Georgia? If he has to pick between Nolan and Huff and he really doesn’t prefer either as a starter but chooses Nolan..what do you want him to do..MAKE them fit when they just don’t? That will always be a problem if that’s the case. Players have to play…they were put in position 

Schwartz had a ton of injuries in 2018 and a ton of personnel problems and made them functional. And got more out of less. Literally you getting the same out of guys that everyone pissed on Desai for and the guy who’s supposedly the godfather of the defense and make players better as he’s the genius. He’s supposed to be light years better than Desai. Yet he’s getting the same. Maybe personnel needs to be better and maybe his scheme isn’t the direction they should go anymore 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He can’t make us a decent run defense? He can’t figure out ways to get pressure l? You act like fangio is absolved from any blame. That’s BS. Yes CJGJ missing tackles. Meanwhile the guy was wide open prior to missing the tackle. Or the fact run defense is giving up 8 yards a carry. You act like fangio has no blame just players. It’s his Fing scheme. They brought him in here to make guys better in his scheme. He was the guy that was going to make guys step up and be better. Yet same issues as last year. Yes they have a personnel problem it also wasn’t a coincidence a ton of fangio style defenses were bottom half of the league last year. 

The guy being open on the CJ failed tackle was also CJ's fault. He let the dude run right by him cause he was sitting on a shallow route. Aside from the 4th down stop he had a horrible game, Blankenship wasn't that good either

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

3 plays with no timeouts and they are at Eagle 13 yard line. 

Say what you want about the Barkley play call, him dropping it, Hurts interception, whatever.

What the defense did on that last drive is inexcusable.  Shouldn't happen.

Even with them going up 6 and Atlanta has to go 70 with no timeouts I still felt like they'd hold them.  

There's blame to go around but the biggest piece goes to Fangio by far.

1 minute ago, devpool said:

The guy being open on the CJ failed tackle was also CJ's fault. He let the dude run right by him cause he was sitting on a shallow route. Aside from the 4th down stop he had a horrible game, Blankenship wasn't that good either

Just saying they brought in fangio as he was the genius of the defense and was going to make guys better and make jumps. Meanwhile same guys playing like they did under Desai. So personnel isn’t good and fangio isn’t capable of making more with less either. Both statements can be true 

Howie had multiple chances to improve the pass rush this year.  If he was all in why didn't he try to get a deal for a real DE like Trey Hendrickson?  Matthew Judon for next year's 3rd?  Gambling on Huff to replace Reddick was a bad bet.  Still have a chance to get him back.  Pretty clear they don't have the horses on the edge. 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Schwartz had a ton of injuries in 2018 and a ton of personnel problems and made them functional. And got more out of less. Literally you getting the same out of guys that everyone pissed on Desai for form the guy who’s supposedly the godfather of the defense. He’s supposed to be light years better than Desai. Yet he’s getting the same. Maybe personnel needs to be better and maybe his scheme isn’t the direction they should go anymore 

So what? Everyone should’ve known from the signing of Bradberry that the whole middle of the defense was gonna take a hit..Desai was a scapegoat but also players claiming not to really get answers they need is a lot different from players being given answers and being obviously put in positions where they are not executing 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying they brought in fangio as he was the genius of the defense and was going to make guys better and make jumps. Meanwhile same guys playing like they did under Desai. So personnel isn’t good and fangio isn’t capable of making more with less either. Both statements can be true 

Fangios defense was good 10 years ago.  Its past its prime.  Doesn't work anymore unless you have all pros everywhere which we dont.

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Say what you want about the Barkley play call, him dropping it, Hurts interception, whatever.

What the defense did on that last drive is inexcusable.  Shouldn't happen.

Even with them going up 6 and Atlanta has to go 70 with no timeouts I still felt like they'd hold them.  

There's blame to go around but the biggest piece goes to Fangio by far.

Yeah, but despite everything else, the 50 million-dollar quarterback had the ball in his hands at the end of the game with a TO and only needed to get 20-25 more yards. That's why he gets paid that kind of money. He played hero ball again. 

So all those other reasons are true, but at the end of the day, they have a QB1 who isn't good enough to win. It doesn't matter how he played the rest of the game or that he shouldn't have been in that position. The job of QBs is to get the job done at the end of the game, and he blew it. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying they brought in fangio as he was the genius of the defense and was going to make guys better and make jumps. Meanwhile same guys playing like they did under Desai. So personnel isn’t good and fangio isn’t capable of making more with less either. Both statements can be true 

His problem seems to be an aversion to blitzing. He doesn't have the talent on the line to win with 4. Carter could be good, Milton is decent, sweat is decent. That's all he has on the line. To combat that you need to be creative with blitzes, but that's not his style. Going nowhere unless someone on the edge figures it out 

17 minutes ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

So what? Everyone should’ve known from the signing of Bradberry that the whole middle of the defense was gonna take a hit..Desai was a scapegoat but also players claiming not to really get answers they need is a lot different from players being given answer and being obviously put in positions where they are not executing 

They brought in fangio cause he was expected to make guys better already here and who knew the system. That is part of why they brought him in. His expertise with the defense and expertise was going to help improve guys. It wasn’t just completely changing personnel. So them not making any jump is definitely partially on your DC. If you want to pretend that wasn’t a reason for keeping the scheme and bringing him in go right Fing ahead. They added talent to this defense and with his expertise in the scheme guys here would make jump. Yet they are about the same as they were with Desai early in the season. 

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Fangios defense was good 10 years ago.  It’s past its prime.  Doesn't work anymore unless you have all pros everywhere which we dont.

Someone on the blog posted the tweet last year where teams running fangio scheme defense were mostly bottom half of the league. so it isn’t some revelation. 

Sounds like last year all over again but sooner

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

His problem seems to be an aversion to blitzing. He doesn't have the talent on the line to win with 4. Carter could be good, Milton is decent, sweat is decent. That's all he has on the line. To combat that you need to be creative with blitzes, but that's not his style. Going nowhere unless someone on the edge figures it out 

Which goes back to scheme. Personnel needs to be better to get the most out of it. But the scheme doesn’t adjust to personnel well enough to get more 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, but despite everything else, the 50 million-dollar quarterback had the ball in his hands at the end of the game with a TO and only needed to get 20-25 more yards. That's why he gets paid that kind of money. He choked and played hero ball again. 

Meh he got hit in the process of throwing the ball because Dickerson was too slow to kick out on the rusher.  We have seen him make that throw.  Thought Hurts played a decent game.  Hit Barkley for the game winner right in his hands.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sounds like last year all over again but sooner

That’s really unsettling to see week 2

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, but despite everything else, the 50 million-dollar quarterback had the ball in his hands at the end of the game with a TO and only needed to get 20-25 more yards. That's why he gets paid that kind of money. He played hero ball again. 

I know but Atlanta should not have been able to drive down the field like that so easily.  It's embarrassing. 

I think a high school DC could have played the defense better in that situation.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You don’t think he had any hand in the guys he had? I’m guessing it wasn’t just Howie that wanted huff. I’m guessing he probably also thought fangio woudl get more out of guys then he has.

good DCs get more out of less. The fact we are getting the same from out of sweat, Davis that we got from Sean Desai is probably concerning from a guy who’s supposedly the godfather of the scheme 

We have no idea how much say he had on the additions other than he loved Baun.

But this is a very small sample size we’re dealing with. Sweat and Huff can’t set the edge and aren’t winning their rushes. Carter has been fairly invisible. Davis is the same as he ever was. Nakobe Dean is fairly clueless. I still can’t believe he didn’t sniff out that screen. Baun has played better than expected, but has a couple of missed tackles. Speaking of, this team can’t tackle for S. 

Maybe a guy like Flores could make it work because he throws some exotic stuff out there, but I think this is a players issue and not Fangio. 

 

Fangio‘s attitude with the players will wear thin eventually considering he doesn’t pull any punches in regards to calling guys out. He’s already basically done it with Huff. Same thing happened in Miami last season. Players eventually hated him. 

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

That’s really unsettling to see week 2

I hope I’m wrong but gotta say feels like all Howie and Lurie did was slap lipstick on a pig this offseason. 

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Meh he got hit in the process of throwing the ball because Dickerson was too slow to kick out on the rusher.  We have seen him make that throw.  Thought Hurts played a decent game.  Hit Barkley for the game winner right in his hands.  

He threw a good swing pass. Great, making 50 million a year that should be a given that he hits him in the hands from that close. The fact he went for hero ball vs moving the chains and getting to their 40 is the issue. Doesn't matter if we've seen it he shouldn't have been throwing that. It's Seattle 2.0. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sounds like last year all over again but sooner

It's nonsense player speak because they have no answers. What does "not rushing together" even mean? They don't have the players. And they'll be having to answer for this lack of a pass rush all season long with meaningless platitudes and cliches because they can't say "I suck" or "We aren't good" so we'll be getting "We just have to play together!" week after week. It's going to be so tiresome by the end of September, let alone the end of the season.

Howie's defensive free agent offseason additions tonight:

CJGJ - bad

Baun - bad

Huff - bad

White - inactive

Great job. Thanks, Howie.

31 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I think I figured it out. I see what’s going on here. We repackaged Boston Scott as an edge rusher because we couldn’t let him go.

Finally another reason to post:

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sounds like last year all over again but sooner

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sounds like last year all over again but sooner

Like I said no pass rush plan.  It is like one on one basketball where everybody just tries to beat their man only there s an extra guy (OL) to help.   Pitt destroyed their OL with twist/games.  Williams/Carter are quick enough to get around the edge.  Need to more scheme up front as well as mix in the occasional blitz.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We have no idea how much say he had on the additions other than he loved Baun.

But this is a very small sample size we’re dealing with. Sweat and Huff can’t set the edge and aren’t winning their rushes. Carter has been fairly invisible. Davis is the same as he ever was. Nakobe Dean is fairly clueless. I still can’t believe he didn’t sniff out that screen. Baun has played better than expected, but has a couple of missed tackles. Speaking of, this team can’t tackle for S. 

Maybe a guy like Flores could make it work because he throws some exotic stuff out there, but I think this is a players issue and not Fangio. 

So fangio the genius wasn’t brought in to get more out of guys? That’s bs if we say he wasn’t brought here to that. People said oh fangio is coming in we can get more out of these guys than we did with Desai. You’re getting about the same. I’d argue fangio has better overall talent besides Reddick than Desai had last year. Yet another the same result.   

I’m not gonna argue with you that they need better personnel. I said that last year and got blasted for it. However, if you’re gonna bring the Godfather of the defense and the genius behind Scheme and he still can’t get more out of less that is a problem with scheme and personnel