10 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Why do you think falcons jumped into no huddle so many times? Its not just about the raw snap count but we had too many guys at too high a percentage and also getting their asses handed to them. This defense may be faster but its still physically weak

I don’t wanna hear that they’re tired. They were on the field for literally 10 minutes in the 2nd half. Add on the falcons ran 20 plays in the second half prior to that 1:05 TD drive. At one point in time in the second half, the eagles offense held the ball for 13:33 of 15 mins. That like a Fing quarter where the defense got to chill on the sideline. I would add on early in the game defensive line was getting pushed off the line 3 to 4 yards and guys weren’t getting off blocks then either. that’s not because they were tired.

Fangio doesn’t like the substitute. Guys knew that going into the year. The fact falcons ran 6 plays and got 70 yards is ridiculous. They ran no huddle 2 times on that drive. 

47 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Thomas Booker played 9 snaps and had 3 tackles, 2 TFL.

Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter played a combined 75 snaps. 3 tackles, no TFL. 

This was what I wanted to say this morning. Through 2 games, Booker is by far our best DL.

If the eagles dont significantly increase his snaps next week there is a problem. 

 

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

No it's not just the field but Atlanta has a decent O Line, a top 5 unit in the League with all 5 starters from last year back and settled and The Packers are a comfortably top half line too, up next are the Saints who have a rookie projected as a Right Tackle / Guard at LT and a failed LT at RT. I expect the D Line to show up better in Nawleans.

This all smacks of last year when everyone got convinced Miami were going to clean our clocks whereas in reality, Miami had beaten up on bad teams and were paper tigers, the Saints are this years Miami.

Yeah, I get we played against two decent OLs but the lack of any pressure save for a play or two is just plain old bad (and I don't care what the stats say, I can see for myself).  We had some trouble last year at times but I can't remember the last time when there has been so little pressure for two full games.  I'm not talking about sacks, just plain old stressing the QB by at least starting to collapse the pocket.

This goes deeper than personnel. It’s philosophy. The defense hasn’t changed. If anything they’re more entrenched than ever having the original purveyor of the Fangio "defense.” On offense, they’re still a one read offense due to the limitations of the QB. They refuse to invest in LB. This is Sirianni’s last year here most likely which may be the only saving grace. 

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

They used a premium pick on Smith.  The problem is the scouts.

He's a tiny pass rush specialist. I meant a traditional DE

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

This was what I wanted to say this morning. Through 2 games, Booker is by far our best DL.

If the eagles dont significantly increase his snaps next week there is a problem. 

 

100% agreed. In his limited time he had highlight plays. The rest of the defense combined had about the same, mainly CJGJ’s stuffing of Bijan. He’s a fighter. Absolutely want to see him, Milton, and Ojomo get more playing time. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

He's a tiny pass rush specialist. I meant a traditional DE

They’re going to have to make a splash trade if they want to quickly improve the pass rush. 

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Why do you think falcons jumped into no huddle so many times? Its not just about the raw snap count but we had too many guys at too high a percentage and also getting their asses handed to them. This defense may be faster but its still physically weak

I read a tweet from Solak saying the Falcons seemed to jump into no huddle whenever Davis was OFF the field. 

I will not be rewatching it to fact check that. 

Just now, Outlaw said:

They’re going to have to make a splash trade if they want to quickly improve the pass rush. 

Good thing we spent draft capital on Kenny Pickett!

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. What is the defense good at right now? The DL can’t win a pass rush. The edges can’t set the edge. The LBs were mostly MIA at filling gaps. People will say blitz more to create pressure, but the blitz got beat last night and we don’t tackle well enough behind the blitz to make it work with any kind of confidence.

In a nutshell.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

as you can see, aside from no blitzing, the DL just lines up and rushes straight ahead. There is no creativity. No stunts or anything like that. Apparently fangio and clint hurts think they can just win man to man and obviously theyve been wrong. 

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

Overreaction time much?

If Barkley makes a routine catch, game over.

If Wilson comes back to his QB, game over.

If Smith holds on to the TD pass, game over.

New coordinators on both sides of the ball means players are still learning systems while coordinators are learning players.

Huff is what he is, a pass rush specialist. Reddick is better against the run, but can't drop into coverage at all. Sweat is also a pass rush specialist playing full time.

Baun got exposed, he struggled getting off blocks, Dean is meh.

Maddox is good in coverage for the most part, but undersized, DeJean is still learning the ropes.

Best lineman was Booker.

I'll panic if they are struggling like this after the bye week.

Perhaps playing starters in preseason to get more comfort with new coordinators and schemes would help, instead of taking regular season games that matter to figure it out.

But hey, they won practice! 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

They’re going to have to make a splash trade if they want to quickly improve the pass rush. 

Id trade Hurts for one. It kills 2 birds with one stone. Get a real QB in there (although the team will F that up and play Pickett over McKee), and get a pass rusher. Hurts for any of Miami's 

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah, I get we played against two decent OLs but the lack of any pressure save for a play or two is just plain old bad (and I don't care what the stats say, I can see for myself).  We had some trouble last year at times but I can't remember the last time when there has been so little pressure for two full games.  I'm not talking about sacks, just plain old stressing the QB by at least starting to collapse the pocket.

How much is the scheme change under fangio? You need one good olb to make a 3-4 work

14 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

This goes deeper than personnel. It’s philosophy. The defense hasn’t changed. If anything they’re more entrenched than ever having the original purveyor of the Fangio "defense.” On offense, they’re still a one read offense due to the limitations of the QB. They refuse to invest in LB. This is Sirianni’s last year here most likely which may be the only saving grace. 

Yeah, and that philosophy only works with a great DL that can get consistent pressure rushing only four.  We had that in '22 but not anymore.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

How much is the scheme change under fangio? You need one good olb to make a 3-4 work

I hate Fangio's scheme but it can work if you have the right personnel.  The DL needs to be FAR better to run that scheme effectively.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah, and philosophy only works with a great DL that can get consistent pressure rushing only four.  We had that in '22 but not anymore.

Definitely. This is the worst Dline we’ve had in recent memory. 

11 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

This goes deeper than personnel. It’s philosophy. The defense hasn’t changed. If anything they’re more entrenched than ever having the original purveyor of the Fangio "defense.” On offense, they’re still a one read offense due to the limitations of the QB. They refuse to invest in LB. This is Sirianni’s last year here most likely which may be the only saving grace. 

No LBer in this world is going to fix the defense. We can’t stop the run because we constantly are losing the numbers game due to needing to play prevent defense for 4 quarters. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Perhaps not playing starters in preseason to get more comfort with new coordinators and schemes would help, instead of taking regular season games that matter to figure it out.

But hey, they won practice! 

They might as well just skip TC.

-Jalen Hurts TC record with no INTs except for the gimme to Slay on the last day. 2 games in, 3 INTs.

-Slay gets the lone INT and proceeds to give up the easiest game winning TD catch ever.

-No injuries all camp. AJ missing multiple weeks after game 1.

-KG looks stellar in the passing game all TC, plays his least amount of snaps with no touches when WR1 is out.

-Carter looks prime to be DPOY, becomes invisible man.

-Kellen Moore's offense should change the team. Looks identical to last year. 

-Vic holds his players accountable. Keeps running the same players out every play without changing a damn thing. 

They better figure it out and figure it out SOON. This either lights a fire or it's just the beginning of the wheels falling off. Sweats comments about not being on the same page...in WEEK 2, is not a good look. How are you not on the same page after all of TC and only one game? What are they even doing?

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Definitely. This is the worst Dline we’ve had in recent memory. 

When was the last time we got almost no pressure on the QB for two straight games?  Yes, we've had three sacks but beyond that really only a handful of plays where the QB was actually hurried.

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Good thing we spent draft capital on Kenny Pickett!

Well the way Hurts is running we might need Picket sooner than you think think.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Definitely. This is the worst Dline we’ve had in recent memory. 

Just think, next year they lose BG, Sweat and potentially Milton Williams so going in to 2025 before FA and the draft the DL is:

Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Moro Ojomo, Thomas Booker, Bryce Huff, Nolan Smith, Jalyx Hunt. Going to be another draft where they all but have to address DL. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Definitely. This is the worst Dline we’ve had in recent memory. 

I dont know how the eagles officially name the positions on their depth chart, but when you look at it online, they start 3 DTs on the DL. 

Traditionally 3-4s, had 3-4 DEs which were bigger guys, but not DTs. I dont know how a team can seriously put Jordan Davis in a 3-4 DE position, and in general start 3 DTs and expect to have an explosive pass rush. 

The scheme holds players back. I think these DTs would feast if they were bracketed by some DEs. 

Then, the eagles throw Sweat out there next to the 3 DTs, and call him a LB.  They essentially run a 4-3 with only 1 DE. Thats not going to be explosive. 

Then, youd think they should plug the run pretty well with that kind of personnel, but the LBs arent good enough. And a whole line made up of DTs is going to be too slow to stop outside runs while the LBs arent good enough to consistently get off blocks. 

This scheme doesnt work. They need some real DEs here. And they still could use a star LB to play next to either Dean or Baun.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

When was the last time we got almost no pressure on the QB for two straight games?  Yes, we've had three sacks but beyond that really only a handful of plays where the QB was actually hurried.

Probably last year during the collapse. DL has been trash for a while.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

 

-Kellen Moore's offense should change the team. Looks identical to last year. 

 

yeah... about that... it was never a scheme issue. It was and still is the QB.