2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How about an outside zone 

 

What the hell is that?

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I still think Lurie would just ride it out. Nick doesn't seem like a jerk and I Lurie is pretty coach friendly.

But, what is interesting to me is if they do start 1-3, does Nick just idly stand around and continue to play cheerleader? He's got to know his job is on the line and things are crumbling. With this current setup I think we'll see more conflict between Sirianni and Moore that maybe it would make sense to just move on and go with Moore.

Let's be honest in addressing this question:   Is Nick actually equipped to do anything to improve the situation?  

Last I checked, the team really crumbled after he tried to get more involved last season.  And he turned bad into a dumpster fire.  

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

So RUN the ball to the outside so it eats clock even if you don't get the 1st down.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because the only way to get outside is by passing.   A sweep was never an option?   How about an outside zone instead of an inside zone?  

 

Or...give the ball to your $12mm back behind your top 5 OL and run it right at them. Get 1-2 yards, and then do it again on 4th down.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Let's be honest in addressing this question:   Is Nick actually equipped to do anything to improve the situation?  

Last I checked, the team really crumbled after he tried to get more involved last season.  And he turned bad into a dumpster fire.  

No. He already said multiple times his strategy when things go wrong is to stick with what got you good. He has no answers. But I think there could come a point in time he's going to go down with the ship with him at the helm instead of in the closet. 

He has some killer core values though.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Imagine blaming any unit but the defense last night. Unserious people.

There's plenty of blame to go around.   It doesn't have to all be laid on the defense.  

What about the decision to ignore the first points of the game on 4th and 4?  Come away with points, get a good feeling going and don't give the Falcons much to get excited about.  Instead, they get a stand, hold the Eagles to no points and they have something to hang their hat on.  Bad game management... by the 'CEO' coach.  

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Or...give the ball to your $12mm back behind your top 5 OL and run it right at them. Get 1-2 yards, and then do it again on 4th down.

It annoyed me so much. Barkley was running well. Why throw it?

2 hours ago, Eriv20 said:

How many tds we score yesterday in the redzone? If the offense finishes with more tds than fgs that game is a blowout. the defense sucks but offense isn’t helping 

Flip side is that the defense actually did a decent job in the red zone.  If they allow TDs instead of FGs early... it isn't a blow out, but the Eagles are trailing for much of the game instead of having the lead flipping back and forth.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I get it.  I’m always a critic.  Easy to hate.  But we’ve seen this movie so many times here.  QBs showing everyone they aren’t good enough and everything refusing to accept it until they start to really regress and enough years pass that it’s shoved down everyone’s throat.

Hurts is clearly a top 12 QB, but not a top 5 QB. To many, that's the problem. 

50 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I like a lot of Shane's stuff. Showing how the alignment here basically makes stopping the run impossible. Multiple examples of this on his feed. Either the scheme blows or the players are screwing it up. Where is the 5 down lineman look on run downs??

 

Looks like Duo or maybe even Stretch that Bijan bounced back inside because Sweat set the edge well, Dean reads and closes, and Davis (either intentionally or unintentionally) widened out far enough leaving a ton of space inside of him that Milton and Baun should've closed in on. But for some reason, Milton is one-gapping and penetrating backside (in case of a keeper I guess?) which leaves Huff to scrape inside of him from a 9-tech which leaves him no prayer of getting there in time. You'd think those roles would be reversed based on the alignment alone. So either Milton F'ed up hard, or Fangio is asking Huff to chase this down way out of position. Ugly stuff either way.

 

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

I've seen enough of Smith, time to bring in Hunt. I don't see how it's possible for him to be any worse.

Being "aggressive” on crucial 4th downs list is this game. 
 

Being passive on defense will lose us any chance of being a contender. 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No. He already said multiple times his strategy when things go wrong is to stick with what got you good. He has no answers. But I think there could come a point in time he's going to go down with the ship with him at the helm instead of in the closet. 

He has some killer core values though.

So nothing but Tush Pushes when it comes down to it!  

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Milton is one-gapping and penetrating backside (in case of a keeper I guess?

Milton played it right by staying home...Dean drifted outside too much imo...and Baun...idk, he just got taken out because he didn't get upfield fast enough...Davis needed to get upfield and make the RB cut back sooner...that would have given Dean a better chance to make a play. Again...just my opinion.

Final vent/thought -- we're going to know everything we need to know about this team in the 1st quarter against New Orleans. If they come out flat and get pushed around again (which I expect), we'll have confirmation that they aren't worth the time. 

I'm usually an optimist. What I saw on defense last night made me sick and killed all hope. 

Looking at this team, especially without Brown, they need to just commit to the run and keep the ball out of the opposing teams hands.  This OL is way better on the run than they are against the pass.  Both Dickerson and Becton failed to pick up the stunts.  Too slow.  

Defense needs to more aggressive.  I was stunned to see the lack of creativity from Fangio with the front and blitzing.  I know he doesn't blitz much but he has to generate pressure somehow.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No. He already said multiple times his strategy when things go wrong is to stick with what got you good. He has no answers. But I think there could come a point in time he's going to go down with the ship with him at the helm instead of in the closet. 

He has some killer core values though.

It's fine to "trust the process" to get out of tough spell, be patient, don't overreact, keep working on things that have been proven to work in the past and try to do them better and reduce the mistakes. That message was fine in early 2023 during ugly wins that features some mistakes to clean up.

After last season's collapse, they have yet to prove their process is working so they need to examine everything, not just keep doing what you're doing.

And I fully expected growing pains and time to adjust to the new coordinators and playbook and all that. So we'll see how things go in the next few games but it is so far discouraging.

5 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Milton played it right by staying home

As is usually the case, we don't know because we're not in the defensive huddle. They all have assignments and you'd think "staying home" on a backside keeper would be the job of the shiftier EDGE lined up in a 9-tech, not the DE from a 2-tech. I'm far from a Fangio fanboy but I'm leaning toward giving him the benefit of the doubt in this scenario and laying this at Milton's feet. That's the problem with these types of run fits though, single points of failure that lead to big gains on the ground against a team like the Falcons.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Final vent/thought -- we're going to know everything we need to know about this team in the 1st quarter against New Orleans. If they come out flat and get pushed around again (which I expect), we'll have confirmation that they aren't worth the time. 

I'm usually an optimist. What I saw on defense last night made me sick and killed all hope. 

Honestly this team isn't fun to watch and I don't enjoy the games. It's one thing if they are making good decisions, playing well but it's two teams battling. Obviously the other team is going to make plays as well. But it's difficult seeing fixable mistakes and issues that have nothing to do with rust and lack of preseason, but coaching preparation and not utilizing resources correctly. 

Sheil touched on something I felt throughout the game, and mentioned it briefly earlier. That Moore was supposed to come in and scheme guys open and that didn't happen last night. Their biggest plays were either Hurts scrambles or passes off Hurts scrambles.

So what's the deal? Is this offense a front office mandated offense? It looks like 2023 except with motion. Is Moore not the guru everyone made him out to be? Is Hurts that limited and the Eagles brass believes he can only run a specific style of offense?

Watched the Vikings with Darnold and with Jefferson out of the game scheme guys open against a good defense, and the Eagles could do none of that last night. Going to Covey as much as they did? Like c'mon. That reeked of 2023 Eagles forcing plays to Julio Jones. Something is rotten and given the coordinators are removed, it's hard to detect where it originates.

And yes, I know their EPA numbers are good. They were last year too. But we can all watch the games and see how much of a grind it is to get a TD drive. Where are the explosive plays? AJ Brown made that huge one in week 1, but aside from that, not a ton.

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Looks like Duo or maybe even Stretch that Bijan bounced back inside because Sweat set the edge well, Dean reads and closes, and Davis (either intentionally or unintentionally) widened out far enough leaving a ton of space inside of him that Milton and Baun should've closed in on. But for some reason, Milton is one-gapping and penetrating backside (in case of a keeper I guess?) which leaves Huff to scrape inside of him from a 9-tech which leaves him no prayer of getting there in time. You'd think those roles would be reversed based on the alignment alone. So either Milton F'ed up hard, or Fangio is asking Huff to chase this down way out of position. Ugly stuff either way.

Tough to run an ET (Milton up, Huff under) when the offense is running down your throat.  

Another example, this time with Sweat failing to set the edge and a late shift by Dean and Baun take them out of position too.

 

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Another example, this time with Sweat failing to set the edge and a late shift by Dean and Baun take them out of position too.

 

Nothing new from Sweat. He was horrible holding the edge last year.  Should've figured it out with Reddick and shipped Sweat.