5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Sheil with the interesting opinion that Eagles should have gone to it on 4th at the end.

The better option would have been to have that plan in mind from the start... and run it on 3rd AND if necessary 4th down.   They had 2 tries to get 3 yards and ice the game.   The OL had been creating massive holes for Barkley on that drive to get into that position and then, when it mattered most, they got stupid in their decision making.  

I am not a fan of the Tush Push in the field of play, and I think that everyone knows that.  BUT, if you come up a little short on 3rd down running the ball... you might get close enough to make the Tush Push viable, and in that context, the Push makes perfect sense because getting to the first down marker ends the game.  

 

Long story short, the Eagles were dramatically out coached at the end of the game and they created far too many unforced errors on themselves.   And, regarding the final drive... again, that's a sell out spot.   Blitz Cousins with everything you have and if they score a TD right away, so be it.  You have the ball and 2 timeouts to move the ball into FG range.   Instead they played the softest of soft prevent defense and allowed the Falcons to move the ball down the field exceedingly fast, but also allowed them to get out of bounds twice to stop the clock.  Just horrific management of that moment.  And a CEO coach should be able to send the message to the DC in that moment NOT to go soft, but to get after the statue of Cousins and force the ending, one way or the other.  Either you get the pressure needed to end the game without giving up 1st downs... OR they score quickly and you get the ball back to answer a score and get into FG range.

8 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Should have ran it on 3rd down.  If they don't pick it up, then they should have at least been in position to tush push to win the game.

Exactly.

3 minutes ago, myerstheman said:

hes not wrong

Yeah, there’s multiple layers to it. The analytics actually gave a higher chance of they went for it on 4th than kicking it on 4th to extend to 6.

 if you don’t get it then the falcons are likely inside the 10 yard line with probably around the same time. So to get in field goal range they’d need 48-50 yards and needing 90ish yards to score a TD for the win. That said with how the defense looked at the end it might have only needed 10-15 more seconds to go 90 yards as compared to 70. 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I've seen enough of Smith, time to bring in Hunt. I don't see how it's possible for him to be any worse.

Whats marcus smith up to these days

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The better option would have been to have that plan in mind from the start... and run it on 3rd AND if necessary 4th down.   They had 2 tries to get 3 yards and ice the game.   The OL had been creating massive holes for Barkley on that drive to get into that position and then, when it mattered most, they got stupid in their decision making.  

I am not a fan of the Tush Push in the field of play, and I think that everyone knows that.  BUT, if you come up a little short on 3rd down running the ball... you might get close enough to make the Tush Push viable, and in that context, the Push makes perfect sense because getting to the first down marker ends the game.  

 

Long story short, the Eagles were dramatically out coached at the end of the game and they created far too many unforced errors on themselves.   And, regarding the final drive... again, that's a sell out spot.   Blitz Cousins with everything you have and if they score a TD right away, so be it.  You have the ball and 2 timeouts to move the ball into FG range.   Instead they played the softest of soft prevent defense and allowed the Falcons to move the ball down the field exceedingly fast, but also allowed them to get out of bounds twice to stop the clock.  Just horrific management of that moment.  And a CEO coach should be able to send the message to the DC in that moment NOT to go soft, but to get after the statue of Cousins and force the ending, one way or the other.  Either you get the pressure needed to end the game without giving up 1st downs... OR they score quickly and you get the ball back to answer a score and get into FG range.

These two things more than everything else. Run the ball and burn the clock. Run it again too. Go all out on the blitz and force the play one way or the other.     

Close 3rd place is take the easy 3 in the beginning of the game.  Don't get cute (or demure 🙃).

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Also the D scheme blows overall or at least the zone defense does, with two high playing off 37 yards.  Silliness.   

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, there’s multiple layers to it. The analytics actually gave a higher chance of they went for it on 4th than kicking it on 4th to extend to 6.

 if you don’t get it then the falcons are likely inside the 10 yard line with probably around the same time. So to get in field goal range they’d need 48-50 yards and needing 90ish yards to score a TD for the win. That said with how the defense looked at the end it might have only needed 10-15 more seconds to go 90 yards as compared to 70. 

And I'll ask the question... why didn't they drop the ball into the target zone for the final kickoff, so that that would run some clock and they wouldn't start at the 30?  A touchback there made zero sense in my view.   Once again... play it aggressively (after all, that's why they threw the ball on 3rd down, right?!)  Make them use their own clock to advance the ball... and trust your ST to make the tackle before the 30.   Double benefit, farther from the goal line and less time to score.  

1 minute ago, jamiller said:

These two things more than everything else. Run the ball and burn the clock. Run it again too. Go all out on the blitz and force the play one way or the other.     

Close 3rd place is take the easy 3 in the beginning of the game.  Don't get cute (or demure 🙃).

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Also the D scheme blows overall or at least the zone defense does, with two high playing off 37 yards.  Silliness.   

That's what the biggest thing to come out of SB LII was for me... Schwartz told Doug before the final drive that he was going to be super aggressive on the next drive to either get the ball back with the lead quickly... or to let them score quickly to get the ball back for the offense with time to answer the score by the Pats.   Much better than losing on a death by a 1000 paper cuts.    It was the right call for Schwartz to make, and it worked out almost perfectly.   The perfect ending is to convert for the first down and not have to give the ball back.   But, as it was, it all ended well enough.   And even as aggressive as Doug was in that Super Bowl.  He knew on that last possession they had to run the ball 3 times and take away the timeouts and as much clock as possible.  The FG to push the lead to 8 was good enough, as long as the Pats had the least amount of time possible.

22 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Should have ran it on 3rd down.  If they don't pick it up, then they should have at least been in position to tush push to win the game.

It's kind of hilarious because they've actually admitted before to playing downs just to get into position to use the sneak

20 minutes ago, GroundAttack said:

the defense is so bad  period

Offense doesnt look so hot either.. 

Barkley is bailing the offense out. 

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And I'll ask the question... why didn't they drop the ball into the target zone for the final kickoff, so that that would run some clock and they wouldn't start at the 30?  A touchback there made zero sense in my view.   Once again... play it aggressively (after all, that's why they threw the ball on 3rd down, right?!)  Make them use their own clock to advance the ball... and trust your ST to make the tackle before the 30.   Double benefit, farther from the goal line and less time to score.  

Don’t disagree with you. I’d have tried that 

that said totally different issue, putting teams at the 30 yard line on a touchback through the end zone or kicked into the end zone makes it really easy to get into field goal range now. Because most kickers in the NFL have gotten really good, essentially most teams only have to go 25 to 30 yards to get in field goal range unless there’s bad weather conditions. 

Eagles last night only needed 26-28 yards to get into Eliott’s range. The first play of the drive you got 13. Which means you only really needed 13 to 14 yards with a timeout and 27 seconds. Thats really doable due to the new kick off rule. If it was the 25 then you’d probably need 32-33 which doesn’t seem like a lot but the extra 5 yards can be a big difference. For instance eagles get 13 yards from the 25. you are at the 38. now you need at least 17 to be in some sort of range and likely closer to 19-20

I hate that kickoff rule. I would change it to that if you kick it into the end zone, they automatically start at the 20 yard line if they decide to do a touchback. So it’s gonna force more guys to come out of the end zone and try to return it. If you kick it out of the end zone, then they start at the 30. So now kickers aren’t just going to boot it out of the end zone and  i think there’s more returns if they are starting at the 20 as compared to the 30. If you kick it out of the end zone you get penalized and it likely makes for more returns 

 

12 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Offense doesnt look so hot either.. 

Barkley is bailing the offense out. 

I was at the game last night. No one was getting open or creating separation besides Smith. Dotson and Goedert are no where to be found

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t know if he was or not but looks like goedert was 100% upside about it. Sirianni might have been barking cause of goedert’s reaction to it. 

I read that Fred Johnson was supposed to come in and report as eligible but took to long which is what Sirianni was livid about. No idea if that's true or not.

9 minutes ago, GroundAttack said:

I was at the game last night. No one was getting open or creating separation besides Smith. Dotson and Goedert are no where to be found

After a certain point that is coaching and play design. You give Reid, McVay, or Shanahan Smith, Dotson, DG, that OL, with Barkley, and you watch what happens. I'm sick of hearing the QB needs more weapons or people aren't getting open. The Eagles are becoming like the Phillies on offense and defense where young players don't get better. That's coaching. 

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

I am really curious to see what Kyler Murray looks like in mid November, December and January. He tends to always start off really good. He’s fresh and healthy. And then, as the season goes on, he gets more more banged up (call of duty comes out too). And eventually, his play drops off. That’s what he has done for much of his career. 2022 and 2023 hard to know cause he played 11 games in 2022 and then got hurt in his first game in December. Then 2023 he only played 8 games didn’t return til mid November

when he’s played 15 or more games:

2019: 

first 10 weeks: 12 TD passes and 5 ints

last 6 weeks: 8 tds and 7 ints

2020:

first 10 weeks: 19 td passes And 8 ints

last 6 weeks: 7tds and 4 ints

2021:

first 8 weeks: 17 tds and 7 ints

last 7 games (missed time but played 6 down the stretch including a playoff game): 7tds and 5 ints 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I can't watch anymore of these. It's all far worse than I remembered from watching in real-time. Things are fundamentally broken right now with no feasible fix in sight.

 

That is freaking ridiculous. 

I'm still of the opinion that Sirianni made the right call on the third down throw to Barkley. It was there and he dropped it. Sometimes you have to just blame the player despite how much I appreciate Barkley. If he catches it, it looks like a genius, ballsy call by Nick. But I've been saying it for several years now (outside of 2022) that this defense does not deserve to be trusted in big spots. And if you have a chance to put a bullet in the game on offense then you do it. If they get stuffed on a third down run and settle for the field goal, I still think Atlanta mows down the field and scores with a minute to go. Or at least gets into scoring range to put you in heart attack mode. None of us should trust this defense and I don't blame Nick for going with that mentality. 

Now not taking the points earlier in the game on the failed 4th and 4 is another story. I don't give a crap what the analytics say. It doesn't take momentum or flow of the game into consideration. You take the points, go up 3-0, and get settled into the game at that point. It made zero sense to go for it that early. 

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And I'll ask the question... why didn't they drop the ball into the target zone for the final kickoff, so that that would run some clock and they wouldn't start at the 30?  A touchback there made zero sense in my view.   Once again... play it aggressively (after all, that's why they threw the ball on 3rd down, right?!)  Make them use their own clock to advance the ball... and trust your ST to make the tackle before the 30.   Double benefit, farther from the goal line and less time to score.  

I'm not even sure Mann is capable of dropping it there. Which is why you bring in Elliott. But every team in the NFL seems content to just kick it for a touchback these days. 

If they were going for it on 3rd then they had to go for it on 4th. If they were gonna kick the FG, then they should've ran it on 3rd down. Sirianni did the worst of both worlds. The guy is a moron. It's really a joke that he's still the coach. Lurie drools over the guy for some reason.

51 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The better option would have been to have that plan in mind from the start... and run it on 3rd AND if necessary 4th down.   They had 2 tries to get 3 yards and ice the game.   The OL had been creating massive holes for Barkley on that drive to get into that position and then, when it mattered most, they got stupid in their decision making.  

I am not a fan of the Tush Push in the field of play, and I think that everyone knows that.  BUT, if you come up a little short on 3rd down running the ball... you might get close enough to make the Tush Push viable, and in that context, the Push makes perfect sense because getting to the first down marker ends the game.  

 

Long story short, the Eagles were dramatically out coached at the end of the game and they created far too many unforced errors on themselves.   And, regarding the final drive... again, that's a sell out spot.   Blitz Cousins with everything you have and if they score a TD right away, so be it.  You have the ball and 2 timeouts to move the ball into FG range.   Instead they played the softest of soft prevent defense and allowed the Falcons to move the ball down the field exceedingly fast, but also allowed them to get out of bounds twice to stop the clock.  Just horrific management of that moment.  And a CEO coach should be able to send the message to the DC in that moment NOT to go soft, but to get after the statue of Cousins and force the ending, one way or the other.  Either you get the pressure needed to end the game without giving up 1st downs... OR they score quickly and you get the ball back to answer a score and get into FG range.

 

Well that was his opinion.  To go into that first down knowing you're going to go for it on 4th if you need to and it's 4th and short. 

Atlanta only had 5.4 yards per carry. And that’s somewhat skewed cause of cousins and kneeling. Taking away cousins atlanta averaged 6.3 yards per carry (151 yards on 24 rushes)

Not sure I like that answer.  Mailata on the radio right now asked what the mood in the lockerroom is and he said they feel sorry for thenselves.

Watching these clips of the defense is maddening. That has to be worse than last year. Our edge rushers have no game plan, DTs are just swallowed, and LBs look lost. Dean running into the block outside leaving the wide open lane up the middle for Bijan was ugly. Smith just gets manhandled like a little boy who won a contest to play a snap in the NFL.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Please come back and fix it personally.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Not sure I like that answer.  Mailata on the radio right now asked what the mood in the lockerroom is and he said they feel sorry for thenselves.

He sounds so defeated too