31 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Are people ready to admit Goedert is overrated by the fans like I said three years ago or are we still holding out hope for that big, breakout season?

He is overrated but he doesn't get many targets either so hard to tell.

There isn't many great TEs anymore.  Unless they are going to be a high priority in your offense we don't really need someone like Goedert.

You'd figure with AJ out that he would get more looks.  Same with Dotson.

27 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

This has a lot to do with the DC and his game plan.  That game plan last week was worse than anything Gannon/Desai/Patricia put together.  They let a statue stand pat with no pressure, very few blitzes, very few five man fronts to stop the run, etc, etc.  You'll find out this weekend whether Fangio can adjust or is even willing to adjust.  That guy was a premier DC.  We'll find out if he still is.  And he can't let guys like Huff play just because Huff is making a lot of money, and he can't let former first round picks play if they are not doing the job.  H has to be his own man.

The defense let them go up and down the field for the most part but held them in the RZ.  Not sure if that's his philosophy.  Hope not.

Up until the last drive they held them to 15 which is good.  It was just whatever happened that last drive that makes you worry.   

I'm hopeful this is just getting adjusted to new things but time will tell.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Taysom Hill is Questionable.

All other starters are playing

I think we lose. But a big part of me is feeling that the eagles never let us off so easy. They like to keep us hanging in misery. There is a part of me thinking, they win this game to give a glimmer of hope only to lose the following week. 

We couldnt be so lucky to see a tailspin so early in the season and just accept that the team sucks this year and start scouting top 5 prospects while the eagles lose just about every game.

Theyre gonna hang in there around 500. Beat some tough teams, and lose painfully to some bad teams. 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Are people ready to admit Goedert is overrated by the fans like I said three years ago or are we still holding out hope for that big, breakout season?

I believe he is one of the better TEs in the league and is being held back by not having a real QB.

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Are people ready to admit Goedert is overrated by the fans like I said three years ago or are we still holding out hope for that big, breakout season?

I don’t expect huge statistical seasons from him. We have the best WR duo in the NFL and arguably the most talented RB. There just aren’t enough looks to go around.

But Goedert is definitely a talented player who is athletic, blocks well, and can make tough catches.

31 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t expect huge statistical seasons from him. We have the best WR duo in the NFL and arguably the most talented RB. There just aren’t enough looks to go around.

But Goedert is definitely a talented player who is athletic, blocks well, and can make tough catches.

There would be more if Hurts was a pocket QB and didn't take off

48 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t expect huge statistical seasons from him. We have the best WR duo in the NFL and arguably the most talented RB. There just aren’t enough looks to go around.

But Goedert is definitely a talented player who is athletic, blocks well, and can make tough catches.

Goedert has not been overrated.  But I do suspect he’s entering the portion of his career arc where he’s not going to bring much as a receiver, even if the offense wasn’t stacked with weapons in front of him.  

6 hours ago, greend said:

Fantastic!  20 more days until I semi retire.  How about you?

What does semi retire mean?!?!

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

Let's hope the statement isn't 

 

 

I think we suck STILL would be more appropriate.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I believe he is one of the better TEs in the league and is being held back by not having a real QB.

Riley Cooper's number 1 fan continuing to clog up the blog with his very obvious agenda every FN chance he gets. 

Goedert isn't even a top 10 TE in this league, try harder.

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Goedert has not been overrated.  But I do suspect he’s entering the portion of his career arc where he’s not going to bring much as a receiver, even if the offense wasn’t stacked with weapons in front of him.  

I disagree. There were times he was ranked as the #3 TE around the league and some argued if he was better than Kittle/Andrews. Even entering this season I’ve seen him ranked 5th/6th best in the league. 

19 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

What does semi retire mean?!?!

He’s going to stop being a truck driver 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Riley Cooper's number 1 fan continuing to clog up the blog with his very obvious agenda every FN chance he gets. 

Goedert isn't even a top 10 TE in this league, try harder.

Not this crap again ...

I like dual threat QBs that like to run. Some fans don't. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I disagree. There were times he was ranked as the #3 TE around the league and some argued if he was better than Kittle/Andrews. Even entering this offseason I’ve seen him ranked 5th/6th best in the league. 

He has 100% been overrated. First off, he can't stay healthy and your most important ability is availability. Second he has never been anywhere near the same tier as Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, Hockenson, and young studs like Laporta, McBride, and Bowers are clearly better right now. He's somewhere in that tier of decent starting TE's with Engram, Njoku, Ferguson, Pitts, Kincaid, Freiermuth, etc.

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Not this crap again ...

I like dual threat QBs that like to run. Some fans don't. 

If the shoe fits. If someone is saying that Dallas FN Goedert is a great TE being held back by Hurts they aren't even trying to hide their agenda. Goedert is a decent TE who can't stay healthy, nobody with half a brain or a clear agenda believes otherwise at this point.

Just now, T-1000 said:

If the shoe fits. If someone is saying that Dallas FN Goedert is a great TE being held back by Hurts they aren't even trying to hide their agenda. Goedert is a decent TE who can't stay healthy, nobody with half a brain or a clear agenda believes otherwise at this point.

Goedert would probably thrive as a receiving TE in an offense that passed 60% of the time or more. This offense is built around Hurts and his strengths as well as his teammates strengths. Goedert is a lot like Brent Celek in that he can be whatever kind of TE you need him to be. He's a good blocker as well as a good receiver. He gets asked to do more blocking on average than most TE1s around the NFL since we have two WRs that are very good at getting open and run around 50% of the time. 

So that argument has some merit even if you don't agree with it. In this offense, Goedert simply isn't targeted as much as he might be on other teams that believe in "pass first."

Just now, brkmsn said:

Goedert would probably thrive as a receiving TE in an offense that passed 60% of the time or more. This offense is built around Hurts and his strengths as well as his teammates strengths. Goedert is a lot like Brent Celek in that he can be whatever kind of TE you need him to be. He's a good blocker as well as a good receiver. He gets asked to do more blocking on average than most TE1s around the NFL since we have two WRs that are very good at getting open and run around 50% of the time. 

So that argument has some merit even if you don't agree with it. In this offense, Goedert simply isn't targeted as much as he might be on other teams that believe in "pass first."

IF he was that good he would get more targets. We have seen him in games without AJ and Smitty and he still doesn't thrive. He's a good blocker and decent receiver who is almost 30 and seen a decline in his production the last season plus.  So no, there is no factual evidence to merit an argument for Goedert as one of the best TE's in the league, let alone being elite. He is BARELY top 10 AT BEST.

Also, Hurts was Goedert's QB in 2022 and his YPC, YPG, etc have declined since then so blaming Hurts for him not having elite production is laughable.

I would have zero issues if they spent a high pick on a TE. He is an UFA in 2026 so have two drafts to find one. 

30 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

If the shoe fits. If someone is saying that Dallas FN Goedert is a great TE being held back by Hurts they aren't even trying to hide their agenda. Goedert is a decent TE who can't stay healthy, nobody with half a brain or a clear agenda believes otherwise at this point.

Something tells me you hate our kicker and punter. 

Kelce, Andrews, Kittle, Hockenson, Laporta, McBride, Bowers. BEST case scenario Goedert is the 8th best TE in the league but one could easily argue that any of Kincaid, Pitts, Njoku, Engram, Ferguson, and Freiermuth are better. Goedert is also 30, had his share of injuries, and has seen his YPC and YPG decline since he appeared to have peaked in 2021 and 2022. Dude is nowhere elite at this point and the injuries, age, and declining metrics tell a very clear story of a descending player. He's closer to being in a tier with Dalton Schultz and Hunter Henry than he is to being elite. I can't believe this is even a conversation. 

4 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Ive been on this train for years now too sir

I think I was the conductor on this one! Been saying it for years. There have been some incredible TE draft classes that the Eagles could have taken his replacement with and all they came away with was Calcaterra and Stoll. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think I was the conductor on this one! Been saying it for years. There have been some incredible TE draft classes that the Eagles could have taken his replacement with and all they came away with was Calcaterra and Stoll. 

To be fair they probably didn't think he would start to decline at 28 years old.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

To be fair they probably didn't think he would start to decline at 28 years old.

But even at 28, he wasn't and isn't giving them nearly enough. Is it the offense? Is it the QB not making reads? TEs are thriving in the NFL and our supposed top 8 TE catches screen passes and 8 yard button hooks when the defense is playing prevent. 

21 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I would have zero issues if they spent a high pick on a TE. He is an UFA in 2026 so have two drafts to find one. 

Really like Luke Lachey late RD2 or early RD3.

Think his game is very similar to LaPorta, another former Iowa TE

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

But even at 28, he wasn't and isn't giving them nearly enough. Is it the offense? Is it the QB not making reads? TEs are thriving in the NFL and our supposed top 8 TE catches screen passes and 8 yard button hooks when the defense is playing prevent. 

Facts suggest he clearly gave them more than enough in 2021 and 2022. 56 for 830 in 15 games in 2021, and 55 for 702 in 12 games in 2022. His decline began last season which resulted in fewer YPC, YPG, and big plays overall. He actually hard more targets and targets per game  in 2023 than he did in 2021 and 2022. So the idea that Hurts is not giving him enough targets and holding him back is absurd. Goedert has always been the anti Zach Ertz in that he isn't a volume TE but a big play threat from the position. Either way, numbers don't lie and he was a big play TE for them in 2021 and 2022 and declined dramatically last year and is producing at a similar level so far this season. As I said above when you consider he is almost 30 and all of the injuries he had it's obvious he is starting to decline.

Goedert YPC 

2021 - 14.8

2022 - 12.8

2023 - 10.0

2024 - 9.9

Facts don't care about feelings that the numbers show a declining player.