25 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Todd Bowles literally said Hurts cant read defenses.  Did anything that happened yesterday make you believe he has changed that opinion, or that the opinion isn't correct?

Amazingly, that was three seasons ago and is still an issue. 

23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Is Jeff Lurie good at hiring head coaches since Andy Reid? Or has he just gotten lucky with his last two head coaching hires that they each had one lightning in a bottle great season and turned out to be total duds?

Doug Pederson was a disaster after 2017 and has been a disaster with the Jags. Sirianni has been a disaster since 2022.

Chip Kelly was also a disaster.

Do you trust Jeff Lurie picking the right next head coach?

Which camp are you more in:

Camp 1: 2017 and 2022 were great years, you just can't write them off and pretend they didn't happen, so you have to say he's good at hiring head coaches. And most head coaching hires fail, so this in comparison have been successful and that's the only way to judge it.

Camp 2: He got lucky with his hires that each had one good fluky year and turned out to be bad coaches and him keeping Sirianni this year shows the flaws in his process when deciding what to do with head coach.

When Lurie misses on a HC hire, I'll get worried.

Every single HC he hired made the playoffs by year 2. 4 of his 5 coaches won the division by year 3. 3 of his 5 coaches have made the Super Bowl. 

That's a crazy hit rate.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Howie has spent 7 top 100 picks on defensive players since the 2021 draft.  I don't think the team lacks defensive talent.  

I don't either. I was trying to focus on the offense. Dline is an embarrassment. It used to be the one thing you could really count on for the defense. Secondary sucked or was questionable but we'd at least be able to get pressure constantly from the Dline

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol most people who have poor performance 3 out of 4 weeks and continuously make mistakes would’ve likely already been fired from that company. 

Typing then using backspace? Good lord

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Howie has spent 7 top 100 picks on defensive players since the 2021 draft.  I don't think the team lacks defensive talent.  

How many of those top 100 picks have actually panned out to be worthy of where they drafted them? Carter, Davis, Mitchell, hunt, DeJean (tough on these 3 cause it’s early), Dean, Nolan smith, Sydney brown and Milton williams. 

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Oh absolutely. Just saying the two of them together with a DC in name only would be an interesting pairing. I think next year we see Kingsbury, Johnson, etc.

They're sitting at 2-2 and the next 4 games will tell a lot.  CLE, @NYG, @CIN, JAX.  Provided AJ, Devonta, and Lane are back those games should be a 3-1 stretch at minimum (I'll even put the game at CIN as a loss).  5-3 is followed by their most difficult stretch of the season, IMO -- @DAL, WAS, @LA Rams, @BAL.  Hope to be 7-5 after that stretch.  A chance to finish strong against CAR, PIT, @WAS, DAL, NYG.  11-6 seems like a tall ask at this moment, but that's where they need to get to.  Falling short of winning the division and at least one playoff game will bring coaching changes, would be my guess.

If the Eagles bring in a new coaching staff next season, I think a new head coach will want his own QB.  He's likely to take the job with the understanding that it will be a one-year trial with Hurts and, without significant improvement in Hurts' play in 2025, the Eagles will be in the QB draft market in the 2026 draft.

That's my long term guess on where this is all headed.  

Off-Topic...

Dikembe Mutombo died. Brain cancer. What a Fing shame.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol most people who have poor performance 3 out of 4 weeks and continuously make mistakes would’ve likely already been fired from that company. 

Quote

Yes, they will let you know when you are not performing well,

every time, but they will also love you if you show effort,

aggression, desire, the will to fight.

Rodgers needs to quit bishing

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

In contrast to Hurts missing a wide open Barkley

 

Remember this gem from Wentz against the Seahawks?

 

The 2nd one is what makes me mad a bit. I understand he didn't protect himself and played to much hero ball but was probably one of the best QBs they drafted tools wise and we ruined him by giving him no support verse what they have done for hurts in getting him 2 #1 receivers and saquon.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I will say that while I would prefer Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik given this is an offensive league now. I have warmed up to the idea of Belichick simply because I can't stand seeing this defense suck anymore.

That would fine, Ben Johnson or a Shanahan-type seem to have a proven record of making looking mediocre QBs look good; while BB would likely raise the floor significantly as a CEO given a good roster.  

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

How many fumbles will we have to recover?

3 per drive

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is my biggest problem with Howie. Because I look around the league and I see other teams that built a defense that are consistent and sustainable long term. They might not be top five every year, but they don’t go from a top five defense one year to then the next year bad then the next year at the bottom of the league. this goes back to he doesn’t know how to construct a sustainable defense  cause he doesn’t draft well enough on defense and it’s very dependent on if he hits on his FA targets like Hargrave and Reddick. The eagles have these peaks like 2017 and 2022 then it comes crashing down to a point where they are one of the bottom tier defenses.

also Some of their philosophies don’t make sense anymore. Back in the day you could get away with bad linebacker play. If you go look around the league at the best defense in the league, they have good linebackers. You still have garbage there. The two years where you didn’t have garbage were 2017 and 2022 and you were actually good. Even the chiefs and reid have gone out and gotten solid linebackers. We are still dicking around with guys like Cunningham, morrow, Dean, white. 

The Chiefs defense is built around Chris Jones, McDuffie and Karlaftis.  They don't have top 5 LBs or even top 10 LB talent.  Nick Bolton was a 2nd round pick and has been serviceable.  Tranquill was a low level FA signing.  Arguably, he would have been a much better choice than Cunningham and Morrow in 2023. He cost the same as both of them.  The Chiefs also are pretty mediocre at safety.  The difference is that they have an elite defensive coordinator.  Spagnola is HOF worthy and is as good as Jim Johnson was at his peak.  

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There is absolutely no way Belichick would want to coach here and deal with Howie, and no way they would want him here either. It's not happening. The media and fanbase would constantly call for him to take over as GM and make all the decisions. They will not want another Chip Kelly situation. They will hire up and coming coordinators or position coaches like they've always done.

 

Howie works for Lurie. If Lurie wants Belichick, Howie will live with it.  Howie is savvy.  He knows Belichick would be a temporary fixture. He will say whatever he thinks Lurie wants him to say to Bill if Lurie wants to hire him.  My experience is that people who believe they are the best at what they do think people will bend to their will.  Belichick won't feel like he needs final say because he knows more than Howie does.  Belichick will think Howie will listen to him because he wants to win.  

40 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Go back and watch the game. Now count how many Bucs are within 5 yards of the LOS.

To start the game they had 9 in the box, they were basically daring Hurts to beat them passing b/c they could cover Campbell and Dotson man to man.

After the Bucs went up 24, they went to a more standard defense, Barkley had some successful runs and Eagles scored a couple TDs.

So they went back to 9 in the box with a heavy dose of blitzing.

 

Which isn't very surprising. Dotson is really bad, worse than Mitchell (another miss in the 1st rd).

And sometimes you just have to put your best player in a position to make plays, and can't let the defense dictate to you.   

 

Funny how its always OUR coaches that are painted into little boxes by what the opposition is doing to them, and never the reverse.   🤔

 

I quoted it before and I'll quote it again... it's a classic case of the Union Generals freaked out about Robert E. Lee, and Grant had to smack them back to reality and tell them to stop thinking about what he was going to do to them, but to start thinking about what they were going to do to him.    The Eagles let the Bucs dictate things rather than forcing the Bucs to react to them.   You cannot let a team take away your only playmaker like they did.  You just can't do it.  That's bad coaching and bad game planning.    And if the coaches were surprised that they saw heavy boxes against the Bucs, then shame on them.  Heavy box or not, you have to find a way to get the ball into Barkley's hands.   They failed miserably.  That's on the coaches.

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

the end of 2019 wentz was probably his best stretch outside of his 2017 year. 

And he was stuck throwing to spare parts.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

The difference is that they have an elite defensive coordinator.  Spagnola is HOF worthy and is as good as Jim Johnson was at his peak.  

Yup.  It's too bad the Eagles organization didn't love Spagnola in the same way as Stoutland; he's done a hell of a job in KC.  

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol most people who have poor performance 3 out of 4 weeks and continuously make mistakes would’ve likely already been fired from that company. 

Did you ever make a massive mistake and then try to say that you didn't screw up and defend the mistake trying to say it was a 'savvy' move?  

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol most people who have poor performance 3 out of 4 weeks and continuously make mistakes would’ve likely already been fired from that company. 

Literally Isaiah Rodgers

 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

When Lurie misses on a HC hire, I'll get worried.

Every single HC he hired made the playoffs by year 2. 4 of his 5 coaches won the division by year 3. 3 of his 5 coaches have made the Super Bowl. 

That's a crazy hit rate.

This is an interesting take.   How often do teams that miss on their HC change HC?

Eagles have had Chip Kelly, Doug Pederson and now Nick Sirianni since they let Andy Reid go after 2012.  That's 3 HCs in 12 years.  4 years per on average.  That's basically the same as a team that is hiring the wrong guys.  We have the wrong guys for different reasons, but it seems its still the wrong guys.

 

You would think if they had hired the right guy, somewhere along the way, one would last into a second contract.

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol most people who have poor performance 3 out of 4 weeks and continuously make mistakes would’ve likely already been fired from that company. 

A more apt comparison would be to turn down a one way road the wrong direction, because you thought it would be faster than following the laws of the road.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And sometimes you just have to put your best player in a position to make plays, and can't let the defense dictate to you.   

 

Funny how its always OUR coaches that are painted into little boxes by what the opposition is doing to them, and never the reverse.   🤔

 

I quoted it before and I'll quote it again... it's a classic case of the Union Generals freaked out about Robert E. Lee, and Grant had to smack them back to reality and tell them to stop thinking about what he was going to do to them, but to start thinking about what they were going to do to him.    The Eagles let the Bucs dictate things rather than forcing the Bucs to react to them.   You cannot let a team take away your only playmaker like they did.  You just can't do it.  That's bad coaching and bad game planning.    And if the coaches were surprised that they saw heavy boxes against the Bucs, then shame on them.  Heavy box or not, you have to find a way to get the ball into Barkley's hands.   They failed miserably.  That's on the coaches.

Well the more I read about McClellan the more I think he had some sort of anxiety disorder.  He tripled the estimate of Johnston's forces as an excuse to do nothing.  I am not sure the criticism of Meade is fair for failing to pursue Lee after Gettysburg.  

In a way, it's on the coaches for sending Rodgers out there without knowing he understands the rules.  Honestly how much do you really need to teach a gunner before you get to the whole "don't push him into the receiver" part??

 

Also, with respect to Fangio.  One thing that angers me is that his scheme CAN work somewhat, but you need game wrecking pass rushers.  That is the entire linchpin of the scheme.  We don't have that at all. It's suicidal to run the scheme when you can't dictate when the QB throws the ball.

Do other teams fans compare their team and players to Chiefs or is it just us?

The thought process to use Mahomes having a bad start to the season to justify Hurts is just hilarious to me

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The Chiefs defense is built around Chris Jones, McDuffie and Karlaftis.  They don't have top 5 LBs or even top 10 LB talent.  Nick Bolton was a 2nd round pick and has been serviceable.  Tranquill was a low level FA signing.  Arguably, he would have been a much better choice than Cunningham and Morrow in 2023. He cost the same as both of them.  The Chiefs also are pretty mediocre at safety.  The difference is that they have an elite defensive coordinator.  Spagnola is HOF worthy and is as good as Jim Johnson was at his peak.  

Howie works for Lurie. If Lurie wants Belichick, Howie will live with it.  Howie is savvy.  He knows Belichick would be a temporary fixture. He will say whatever he thinks Lurie wants him to say to Bill if Lurie wants to hire him.  My experience is that people who believe they are the best at what they do think people will bend to their will.  Belichick won't feel like he needs final say because he knows more than Howie does.  Belichick will think Howie will listen to him because he wants to win.  

I’d argue Bolton when healthy is light years better than what the eagles have currently this year or last year. He’s not special but he is solid. He also more consistent week to week. The eagles don’t have that since Edwards and white were here. He was also drafted higher than any eagles LB that’s not an edge rusher the last decade. Also tranquil was actually good for them last year at linebacker. That was like when the eagles hit on bradham and white. Instead the eagles have had god awful guys like morrow and white and some others I’ve forgotten. So they might not have top 5 LBs but they are competent. They aren’t just trash heap where guys are on the downside of their career and just bad like morrow or white or whatever other LB we’ve had since 2022.

I would also argue they’ve at least know they have to have competency at linebacker. It’s why they spent a 2nd round pick on Nick Bolton. i also think he’s vastly underrated cog for that defense. Show me the last time the eagles spend a top 2 round pick on a LB that wasn’t an "edge rusher” like Nolan smith. Literally were tried to make Nate Gerry go from safety to Lb, drafted trotter in the 5th, dean in the 3rd. If the eagles drafted a Nick Bolton I’d be happy. they’d have 1 competent linebacker  and the one they did develop, they let walk to Chicago 

I would argue the Eagles safety position is overrated as CJGJ is better as a slot corner than safety. Reed is a solid S. Can get away with solid/aveeage safety play when you hit on pass rushers and you have a DC that’s able to get more out of less and linebackers aren’t trash.

another thing I’ve complained about with fangio is he doesn’t maximize talent he has and coach them up. He needs a perfect compliment of players for his system to work. If that’s the case most DC would have good defenses. But he was supposed to be this mastermind and genius of his scheme and get more out of our guys and maximize the talent we have. And yet that’s not happening. So either your scheme isn’t good enough to elevate guys to play better or your coaching isn’t good enough to get the most out of the talent that you do have. Granted I do think they have a talent deficiency problem. But if you’re such a great mastermind of your scheme and your defense, you should be getting more out of some of these guys then guys like Desai and Matt Patricia. 

Have any of you ever used an eraser before?

 

 

 

Yea, that's what I thought!

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well the more I read about McClellan the more I think he had some sort of anxiety disorder.  He tripled the estimate of Johnston's forces as an excuse to do nothing.  I am not sure the criticism of Meade is fair for failing to pursue Lee after Gettysburg.  

I'm speaking about the Overland Campaign.  The Generals (lower than just the head of the army) were probably suffering from some PTSD after getting out witted and out maneuvered by him for so long, but Grant wanted to change their mindset.  They had a reactive and pensive approach.