6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

In a way, it's on the coaches for sending Rodgers out there without knowing he understands the rules.  Honestly how much do you really need to teach a gunner before you get to the whole "don't push him into the receiver" part??

 

Also, with respect to Fangio.  One thing that angers me is that his scheme CAN work somewhat, but you need game wrecking pass rushers.  That is the entire linchpin of the scheme.  We don't have that at all. It's suicidal to run the scheme when you can't dictate when the QB throws the ball.

Whose fault is that?  We've got tons of resources along that front... and we aren't getting ROI.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do other teams fans compare their team and players to Chiefs or is it just us?

The thought process to use Mahomes having a bad start to the season to justify Hurts is just hilarious to me

They are comparing an old plow horse to a unicorn.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Whose fault is that?  We've got tons of resources along that front... and we aren't getting ROI.

ROI has been bad. I would also like to point out if you’re a great defensive coordinator you’re gonna get more out of less. You’re gonna make guys better because your scheme and your system and your mastermind/genius is going to get more out of them. And figure ways to get more out of them. If Fangio is as good of a defense coordinator as they Fing think he is and what he used to be then he is going to be able to do that. The fact of the matter that Desai and Matt Patricia is getting as much out of this defense as he is kind of tells me we have a personnel problem and fangio isn’t as great as he used to be. 

Not that it matters much but I see Goedert is listed 8th in the nfl in receiving only 15 yards behind #7 ceedee lamb 

I hope Big Doms job right now is to keep Quinyon Mitchell away from these loser DB's on the team. We don't need Slay or Rodgers getting their stank on him.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is an interesting take.   How often do teams that miss on their HC change HC?

Eagles have had Chip Kelly, Doug Pederson and now Nick Sirianni since they let Andy Reid go after 2012.  That's 3 HCs in 12 years.  4 years per on average.  That's basically the same as a team that is hiring the wrong guys.  We have the wrong guys for different reasons, but it seems its still the wrong guys.

 

You would think if they had hired the right guy, somewhere along the way, one would last into a second contract.

Going by this logic, isn't Doug Pederson a bad hire? Only got 5 years. He has 3 playoff appearances and 1 SB ring.

The difference between Philly and most other organizations is that when our HC misses the playoffs, he gets fired. Happened to Reid, Chip, Doug and if it happens this year, Sirianni.

Not every organization cares about winning.  

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

ROI has been bad. I would also like to point out if you’re a great defensive coordinator you’re gonna get more out of less. You’re gonna make guys better because your scheme and your system and your mastermind/genius is going to get more out of them. And figure ways to get more out of them. If Fangio is as good of a defense coordinator as they Fing think he is and what he used to be then he is going to be able to do that. The fact of the matter that Desai and Matt Patricia is getting as much out of this defense as he is kind of tells me we have a personnel problem and fangio isn’t as great as he used to be. 

Similar to Desai, yes.  Patricia was on another level, though:

 

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

 

What kind of stupid rule is that and why did it take so long for someone to mention it?

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Sorry if posted, but holy crap this is the dumbest Eagles team I've seen and that's a high bar to clear.

It's Ronnie Brown level of stupidity for folks who remember 🙂

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Can there be a hockey assist? Jets trade him somewhere,  then he gets traded from there to Philly?

Like a 3 team trade but done as separate transactions.

Or, can he be released with the understanding that he is signing with philly.  And we do some other trade with the Jets sending them a pick for next to nothing. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Going by this logic, isn't Doug Pederson a bad hire? Only got 5 years. He has 3 playoff appearances and 1 SB ring.

The difference between Philly and most other organizations is that when our HC misses the playoffs, he gets fired. Happened to Reid, Chip, Doug and if it happens this year, Sirianni.

Not every organization cares about winning.  

I just like to point out that 2017 is an outlier in Doug‘s coaching career. You go look at every season around that he’s been pretty consistently a sub .500 coach. This isn’t that I don’t appreciate what Doug did in 2017 and his coaching was really good in 2017. But the rest of his coaching career tells me that is ann outlier in his coaching career. I will thank God for the outlier, but feels like he eagles are super fortunate that Doug had that outlier year otherwise we’d still be searching for our first Lombardi trophy.

2016: 7-9

2017: 13-3

2018: 9-7

2019: 9-7

2020: 4-11-1

2022: 9-8

2023: 9-8

2024: 0-4

he's 60-57-1 in his HC career. Without 2017 it is 47-54-1. Love Doug but he’s closer sub .500 coach then the 2017 version 

3 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

It's Ronnie Brown level of stupidity for folks who remember 🙂

It's the curse of #34

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue Bolton when healthy is light years better than what the eagles have currently this year or last year. He’s not special but he is solid. He also mins more consistent week to week. The eagles don’t have that since Edwards and white were here. He was also drafted higher than any eagles LB that’s not an edge rusher the last decade. Also tranquil was actually good for them last year at linebacker. That was like when the eagles hit on bradham and white. Instead the eagles have had god awful guys like morrow and white and some others I’ve forgotten. So they might not have top 5 LBs but they are competent. They aren’t just trash heap where guys are on the downside of their career and just bad like morrow or white or whatever other LB we’ve had since 2022.

I would also argue they’ve at least know they have to have competency at linebacker. It’s why they spent a 2nd round pick on Nick Bolton. i also think he’s vastly underrated cog for that defense. Show me the last time the eagles spend a top 2 round pick on a LB that wasn’t an "edge rusher” like Nolan smith. Literally were tried to make Nate Gerry go from safety to Lb, drafted trotter in the 5th, dean in the 3rd.

I would argue the Eagles safety position is overrated as CJGJ is better as a slot corner than safety. Reed is a solid S. Can get away with solid/aveeage safety play when you hit on pass rushers and you have a DC that’s able to get more out of less and linebackers aren’t trash.

another thing I’ve complained about with fangio is he doesn’t maximize talent he has and coach them up. He needs a perfect compliment of players for his system to work. If that’s the case most DC would have good defenses. But he was supposed to be this mastermind and genius of his scheme and get more out of our guys and maximize the talent we have. And yet that’s not happening. 

I don't think you can say that the Chiefs are investing much heavier at LB.  Bolton was a 2nd round pick in 2021.  Willie Gay, Jr. was the 63rd pick in 2020.  The FA signing of Tranquill was a $3 million contract.  His new deal is not some high value number.  Willie Gay left and took a one year deal with NO.  The Eagles are investing in the position with the same consistency. It's just the players are not playing as well for them.  To me, that speaks more to a potential coaching issue.   One of the questions I have is whether Fangio thinks the problem was his game plan or poor execution.  If it's poor execution, how much of that will he place on the players vs. the time/manner spent practicing.  My guess is some of the reports we will see is that Fangio thinks the lack of execution is related to the time spent preparing.  It has been a common theme for the team over the last 4 seasons.  

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Similar to Desai, yes.  Patricia was on another level, though:

 

 

I mean falcons game was eerily similar yo the Seattle game last year with Patricia and yesterday was as bad as that cardinals game. Only difference is we could score against the cardinals. But even if we want to say not as bad as Patricia fine. This is basically what we were getting out of Desai 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Lol what trade prompted this rule? That's funny

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just like to point out that 2017 is an outlier in Doug‘s coaching career. You go look at every season around that he’s been pretty consistently a sub .500 coach. This isn’t that I don’t appreciate what Doug did in 2017 and his coaching was really good in 2017. But the rest of his coaching career tells me that is ann outlier in his coaching career. I will thank God for the outlier, but feels like he eagles are super fortunate that Doug had that outlier year otherwise we’d still be searching for our first Lombardi trophy.

2016: 7-9

2017: 13-3

2018: 9-7

2019: 9-7

2020: 4-11-1

2022: 9-8

2023: 9-8

2024: 0-4

he's 60-57-1 in his HC career. Without 2017 it is 47-54-1. Love Doug but he’s closer sub .500 coach then the 2017 version 

If you are taking out his best year, why aren't you also taking out his worst year?

3 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

It's Ronnie Brown level of stupidity for folks who remember 🙂

That play was beautiful. I would have done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes.

Of course, I'm not a player, or in the league and I waste my employers money posting on a message board. But I would have absolutely grip it and rip it too.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Can there be a hockey assist? Jets trade him somewhere,  then he gets traded from there to Philly?

Like a 3 team trade but done as separate transactions.

Or, can he be released with the understanding that he is signing with philly.  And we do some other trade with the Jets sending them a pick for next to nothing. 

They wouldn't allow circumvention I don't think.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Going by this logic, isn't Doug Pederson a bad hire? Only got 5 years. He has 3 playoff appearances and 1 SB ring.

The difference between Philly and most other organizations is that when our HC misses the playoffs, he gets fired. Happened to Reid, Chip, Doug and if it happens this year, Sirianni.

Not every organization cares about winning.  

Well, that's what makes it an interesting take.   Not one of them was good enough to last any length of time.  And it isn't just about 'missing the playoffs'.   At the end, Reid was finished here.  He got some years of missing the playoffs without getting booted.  2005, 2007, 2011, and then canned in 2012 after back to back years of missing and bottoming out at 4-12, after being 4-8 the previous year and fighting at the end to get back to 0.500.

Chip was canned, not because he missed the playoffs, but because he was completely and totally found out to be a fraud.  He got one year in SF, which confirmed it.   That was a bad hire.  He had success due to the novelty of his approach, but it only took one year to figure that out, and then they compounded that hire by giving him full control, which sunk him the rest of the way.

Doug is a guy that I don't think should have been canned when he was... there was a lot going on there and some weird garbage with the OC situation.  But, it is what it is.  Doug was a great hire, but losing the coaches around him was his undoing.  Much like when Reid started to bottom out here, he lost the coaches that helped prop him up early in his career and never could replace them effectively.  And the front office didn't do what they really needed to do to put weapons around their star QB.  They left Wentz alone on an island trying to make magic happen with garbage around him, and then folks got frustrated by his 'hero ball' play.  Had they put the pieces in place around Wentz and Doug that we have now, I wonder how different it all could be.

 

And now there's Nick.  I think Nick was a bad hire from the get go.  He got lightning in a bottle with a running QB, but as we've seen over the years, that has a limited shelf life.   And I think Nick was also a bad hire.  

 

So, when you talk about bad hires versus good hires... the end result for each seems to be the same.  Good hire or bad hire, we are in the market for a new HC pretty much every 4 years, just like the bad teams.  We get more wins along the way, but in terms of 'stability' which is what keeps being talked about with this organization... is it really 'stable'?  Or is it just Howie's job is now secure and nothing can shake THAT position free, but the HC is just another easily replaced cog in the machine?

to be fair, this game is on Fangio.

Can't allow the opposing team two long TD drives to start the game, when you know the offense is crippled.

Then Rodgers dug the hole even deeper.

With the players the Eagles had yesterday, they weren't a good bet to come back 24-0.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What kind of stupid rule is that and why did it take so long for someone to mention it?

Stupid rule, but all it would take is some sort of intermediary as the rule seems to imply.   Team A can't trade player to Team B, and then have Team B trade them back to A.  but... what if Team B trades with Team C and then Team C trades with Team A.

 

 

55 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol most people who have poor performance 3 out of 4 weeks and continuously make mistakes would’ve likely already been fired from that company. 

"You ever illegally gambled on your own team, inside the team facility?

WE ARE HUMAN"

11 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

It's Ronnie Brown level of stupidity for folks who remember 🙂

Ego not letting him change is going to cost him his job again