8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think you can say that the Chiefs are investing much heavier at LB.  Bolton was a 2nd round pick in 2021.  Willie Gay, Jr. was the 63rd pick in 2020.  The FA signing of Tranquill was a $3 million contract.  His new deal is not some high value number.  Willie Gay left and took a one year deal with NO.  The Eagles are investing in the position with the same consistency. It's just the players are not playing as well for them.  To me, that speaks more to a potential coaching issue.   One of the questions I have is whether Fangio thinks the problem was his game plan or poor execution.  If it's poor execution, how much of that will he place on the players vs. the time/manner spent practicing.  My guess is some of the reports we will see is that Fangio thinks the lack of execution is related to the time spent preparing.  It has been a common theme for the team over the last 4 seasons.  

Again, when have the Eagles invested a second round pick in a linebacker? It’s been over a decade. At some point in time the Chiefs thought you know what we at least need one linebacker that’s in the top two rounds of the draft. The Eagles have not done that in over a decade. The Chiefs used 2 second round picks linebackers over the last 5 years. Show me where the Eagles have done that? They haven’t. They try to make a 5th round safety in Nate Gerry into a linebacker. They drafted Jerimiah Trotter in the fifth round. Took Davion Taylor rounds before he should’ve went. The highest linebacker they have taken is Dean, and the only reason why they took him was because he fell due to a medical issue.

Chiefs spent 2 second round picks on LBs and the other team the eagles hasn’t spend a second round pick since 2012 with Kendrick’s when Reid was still here 

55 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.   The O also had to keep the D off the field so that they could be rested in that heat.

Right but one side was down three of their very best players. 

39 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And he was stuck throwing to spare parts.

Guy was (rightfully) run out of town for not getting it done with Dorial Green-Beckham, Paul Turner and Bryce Treggs.

This same fanbase kisses Hurts' ass because he keeps the main thing the main thing and wears an earring.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Can there be a hockey assist? Jets trade him somewhere,  then he gets traded from there to Philly?

Like a 3 team trade but done as separate transactions.

Or, can he be released with the understanding that he is signing with philly.  And we do some other trade with the Jets sending them a pick for next to nothing. 

Just need the right lawyer in place.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Stupid rule, but all it would take is some sort of intermediary as the rule seems to imply.   Team A can't trade player to Team B, and then have Team B trade them back to A.  but... what if Team B trades with Team C and then Team C trades with Team A.

 

 

Based on the wording, it sounds like the player can't be acquired by Team A from Teams B, C, D, E etc. The player would have to be a FA and sign back. 

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Right but one side was down three of their very best players. 

And the other side doesn't have players of that quality to be down.  🤷‍♂️.  Their 'regular' players are players that likely shouldn't be playing... paging Bryce Huff, Nakobe Dean and Avonte Maddox.  

Rodgers argument is dumb because it's not that we don't make mistakes in real life it is you made a entry level mistake on a job that you have probably 20+ years of experience.

 

Why do the players seem so against the fans lately. They brag how great the fans are when it's going well but as soon as things go badly and they get criticized they always start attacking the fan base.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ego not letting him change is going to cost him his job again

Can't let down his son, Press Taylor.

Also as far as the linebacker conversation I would argue that is held against Nick and coaching up players with fundamentals and everything.

 

Kc puts there players in positions to succeed these guys can't even tackle anymore as much as fundamentals are shoved down our throats from the coaching staff 

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you are taking out his best year, why aren't you also taking out his worst year?

OK, take out his worst year and best year. He’s still 43-43. How’s that great? So his best and worst years, he’s a sub .500 coach. Which is what i said. So congrats his 2017 is an outlier and his 2020 is an outlier and the rest of the time he’s a .500 coach. And he’s probably gonna be even worse than 500 because this year isn’t going well. 

This year isn’t going very well. It’s rivaling his 2020 season. So can make a decision on which worse year do you want to take out and 2 of them come in his last 4 years. There’s a good chance Doug gets fired from the jags this year if it continues down this trend. There’s a chance he’s never a HC again in the nfl after that. 

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What kind of stupid rule is that and why did it take so long for someone to mention it?

They’re just making it up as they go 

1 minute ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Rodgers argument is dumb because it's not that we don't make mistakes in real life it is you made a entry level mistake on a job that you have probably 20+ years of experience.

 

Why do the players seem so against the fans lately. They brag how great the fans are when it's going well but as soon as things go badly and they get criticized they always start attacking the fan base.

Likely because they think a "normal" person can't see or understand the game the way they can and social media makes the ire of a fanbase surround them more, so they get agitated and lash out.

1 minute ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Also as far as the linebacker conversation I would argue that is held against Nick and coaching up players with fundamentals and everything.

 

Kc puts there players in positions to succeed these guys can't even tackle anymore as much as fundamentals are shoved down our throats from the coaching staff 

Nakobe was repeatedly getting beat to the edge and was only in position to make arm tackles, I'd like to see some other guys mixed in there who have more speed/length.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, that's what makes it an interesting take.   Not one of them was good enough to last any length of time.  And it isn't just about 'missing the playoffs'.   At the end, Reid was finished here.  He got some years of missing the playoffs without getting booted.  2005, 2007, 2011, and then canned in 2012 after back to back years of missing and bottoming out at 4-12, after being 4-8 the previous year and fighting at the end to get back to 0.500.

So, when you talk about bad hires versus good hires... the end result for each seems to be the same.  Good hire or bad hire, we are in the market for a new HC pretty much every 4 years, just like the bad teams.  We get more wins along the way, but in terms of 'stability' which is what keeps being talked about with this organization... is it really 'stable'?  Or is it just Howie's job is now secure and nothing can shake THAT position free, but the HC is just another easily replaced cog in the machine?

Would you rather be the Eagles the past 12 years or the Steelers with Mike Tomlin?

I know it won't happen and I am sure others won't agree, but I really wish the team would just get gutted and they completely rebuild. Have a fire sale and get what you can for basically everyone, get a new coaching staff and get ready to be a bad football team for a spell.

Would rather watch a team that's bad because they're inexperienced, but still competitive because they're coached well as opposed to a team that thinks their crap doesn't stink and suck anyway.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I know it won't happen and I am sure others won't agree, but I really wish the team would just get gutted and they completely rebuild. Have a fire sale and get what you can for basically everyone, get a new coaching staff and get ready to be a bad football team for a spell.

Would rather watch a team that's bad because they're inexperienced, but still competitive because they're coached well as opposed to a team that thinks their crap doesn't stink and suck anyway.

Are you sure that we have the person that can build the entire roster up from being completely gutted? I’m not so sure we have the guy back in draft well enough to completely build it up from complete rubble. Say whatever you want, but at the end of 2020 we still had talent on this roster and at the end of 2015 we still had talent on this roster to build off of.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

You're not going to get a viable had coach while forcing an offensive coordinator on him.  A head coaching change next season will bring an entirely new staff, IMO.

Fire Nick and promote Moore. And do it now while we have the bye.  

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I know it won't happen and I am sure others won't agree, but I really wish the team would just get gutted and they completely rebuild. Have a fire sale and get what you can for basically everyone, get a new coaching staff and get ready to be a bad football team for a spell.

Would rather watch a team that's bad because they're inexperienced, but still competitive because they're coached well as opposed to a team that thinks their crap doesn't stink and suck anyway.

Hell no

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm speaking about the Overland Campaign.  The Generals (lower than just the head of the army) were probably suffering from some PTSD after getting out witted and out maneuvered by him for so long, but Grant wanted to change their mindset.  They had a reactive and pensive approach.  

So in this scenario who is Grant? I am guessing Sirianni is Meade and Moore is Sheridan.  

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Fire Nick and promote Moore. And do it now while we have the bye.  

Moore's never been a head coach.  No way would he be capable of scheming the offense, calling plays, and managing the game.

To me, the passing charts say a lot.  Look at how Stroud, Love, and Daniels use the entire field -- and these are not 10-year veterans.  Then look at Hurts' chart.  Again, he simply does not utilize the middle of the field.  This is the case far too often.  The only passing chart I could see with similar results in Week 4 was Caleb Williams, a rookie in his 4th NFL start.  Just look at the way Stroud and Jordan Love use the entire field.

There's no way a 5th year NFL QB should have charts like this:

 

 

 

Season is basically 1/4 done. This was one of the weirdest offseasons for Howie that makes it almost impossible to grade.

*Convinced Sweat to take a paycut, trade Reddick, replace him with Huff: I'm lumping these three together. It sucked but it was smart to avoid the Reddick situation. It was also smart to make Sweat take a paycut as he has clearly lost a step already. But Huff has been non-existent and unplayable. I guess I'd say Grade: D- overall. 

*Signed Saquon Barkley: Went against the traditional norm and gave money to a RB. And he should be thankful he did because this team might be 0-4 without him. Certainly would be 1-3. Grade: A

*Signed Zack Baun: Our accidental ILB. He's been up and down and it's hard what to make of him long term. At the moment as he has looked like our best LB. Not a high bar, of course. Grade: B

*Signed CJGJ: Not much to add other than he has woefully underperformed besides some splash plays. He's also not the playmaker he was in 2022 which makes him look worse. Grade: C

*Signed Devin White: Our actual ILB that Howie spent the most money on, who hasn't played a single snap, appears to be a malcontent and was kicked out of the accountability group chat. He never seemed like a fit for Fangio either. Grade: F.

*Traded for Kenny Pickett: Meh. Grade: C+

*3rd WR: Lumping these together also. First it was Devante Parker, who did Howie a solid by retiring a month later, giving him a second chance to address the position. He followed that up with Parris Campbell and John Ross. When that wasn't good enough, he panicked traded with a division rival for Dotson who is a complete non factor. He also drafted Ainias Smith who looks like a bust and Johnny Wilson who might be a role player one day. Grade: D-

*Signed Mekhi Becton: This is his annual Plan B or C move that turned out way better than the initial Plan A. I truly believe Howie wanted one of the first round T/G versatile linemen. He ended up with Mitchell who has been one of the only bright spots on D and signed Becton after the draft to fill that hole. Becton so far has been solid fitting in at RG. I don't have a strong feeling on this one. Grade: B+ to A-

Overall, it's a mixed bag of peaks and valleys. It wasn't good but he made some good moves to counter the bad. I guess to put a single letter grade on it, it would have to be C-. 

 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

To me, the passing charts say a lot.  Look at how Stroud, Love, and Daniels use the entire field -- and these are not 10-year veterans.  Then look at Hurts' chart.  Again, he simply does not utilize the middle of the field.  This is the case far too often.  The only passing chart I could see with similar results in Week 4 was Caleb Williams, a rookie in his 4th NFL start.  Just look at the way Stroud and Jordan Love use the entire field.

There's no way a 5th year NFL QB should have charts like this:

 

 

 

Yea but Hurts is missing Brown, Smith, and Lane

Nothing will change.