2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Is Jeff Lurie good at hiring head coaches since Andy Reid? Or has he just gotten lucky with his last two head coaching hires that they each had one lightning in a bottle great season and turned out to be total duds?

Doug Pederson was a disaster after 2017 and has been a disaster with the Jags. Sirianni has been a disaster since 2022.

Chip Kelly was also a disaster.

Do you trust Jeff Lurie picking the right next head coach?

Which camp are you more in:

Camp 1: 2017 and 2022 were great years, you just can't write them off and pretend they didn't happen, so you have to say he's good at hiring head coaches. And most head coaching hires fail, so this in comparison have been successful and that's the only way to judge it.

Camp 2: He got lucky with his hires that each had one good fluky year and turned out to be bad coaches and him keeping Sirianni this year shows the flaws in his process when deciding what to do with head coach.

A very small dose of #1, but much moreso #2. Both also had crazy years where the QB or QBs played at MVP levels, but were never quite able to get back to that level. Hurts’ story isn’t finished here, but definitely not promising he’s getting back to the ‘22 performance. Going forward, I do strongly fear is going to expose more of Lurie and Howie’s abilities to find a good unknown coach, or if they’re going to let a coach be less dependant on their insistence on analytics. 

 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

On a positive note it looks like we may have something with Quinyon. He played every snap yesterday, it’s been baptism by fire, and he’s more than holding his own. You’d obviously like to see him come down with a few of those dropped picks but he’s footed the bill so far. 
 

And he’s not like a 16 year old girl going on Twitter after games which shows he’s an adult. 

Here are my positives after 4 weeks: Q looks legit, Milton Williams, Jalen Carter, BG is ageless, Baun should be better with more experience, Blankenship. On offense -- Jurgens looks good, both Becton and Steen are good, Barkley is Superman. 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I will say that while I would prefer Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik given this is an offensive league now. I have warmed up to the idea of Belichick simply because I can't stand seeing this defense suck anymore.

Infingcapable of making adjustments. 

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

DeSai? Is he Italian now? I agree with your take.  I think the move to Patricia was Siranni.  The move failed because Patricia isn't Belichick.  

Isaiah Rodgers said everyone makes mistakes you know!

It’ll probably be a couple of days before I can stomach participating again, but I wanted to take a quick moment to reveal an amazing prediction I made yesterday. When the Bucs were preparing to punt for the first time up 14-0, I said out loud that "DeJean is going to fumble this.” Dunno why I had that premonition but I did. I guess it just felt like it was going to be "one of those days”. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Wait. You're saying that a coordinator who has never been a HC can't be a HC? What? That's literally the career path, or direct from position coach to HC. 

Did you read past the first six words?  You're asking a coordinator with no head coaching experience to take over in mid season, run the locker room, strategize the game from both an offensive and defensive standpoint, oversee and hold Fangio accountable, sit in on both offense and defense meetings through the week, call the plays, make the challenges, work the officials, meet with the media 2-3 times per week, and all other responsibilities the head coach has.

We're talking about assuming this role on the fly in Week 5.  We're not talking about being hired in January and building a roster and culture.   

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They were falling off at the end of 2023. This is just a continuation to full on implosion. 

So the Jaguars are our sister team, with our former coach, both teams collapsing. Yeah!

2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

A very small dose of #1, but much moreso #2. Both also had crazy years where the QB or QBs played at MVP levels, but were never quite able to get back to that level. Hurts’ story isn’t finished here, but definitely not promising he’s getting back to the ‘22 performance. Going forward, I do strongly fear is going to expose more of Lurie and Howie’s abilities to find a good unknown coach, or if they’re going to let a coach be less dependant on their insistence on analytics. 

He was inconsistent in 22 as well…they spent half the season unable to do anything at the start of games.  Overall he had a great year, but it wasn’t as good as many think.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It was Howie 100%.  There's no way Sirianni is hiring Patricia immediately before the season after already putting a staff together, and there's no way Sirianni is jettisoning one of his guys in the middle of his first season.

Folks need to wake up.

I think sirianni will say he was the reason as he’s the good solider. but this comes down to really howie and even Jeff wanting Patricia. I think they see the defense wasn’t good enough against SF and Dallas and with the easy part of the slate coming up that Patricia could have success and then point at Desai as the reason the defense had its issues when they had more success with Patricia. Only thing it backfired and they looked worse. 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Having a full offseason to prepare, assemble a staff, go through camp, etc. is much different than taking over midseason. 

Yeah but it happens. And if Nick is costing them games and has lost the locker room, then the argument that Moore has never been a HC shouldn't matter if the move is to save the season. Can't be any worse if that's the case.

21 minutes ago, RLC said:

The defensive tackling WAS bad.

This also explains how it got so bad.

 

I don't understand the approach when Denver beat them so handily using man coverage.  

43 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is a team that can win.

I don't know if I agree with this. They are 3-8 the last 11 games and just haven't felt like a "team" since 2022. It doesn't feel like all of last years demons were exorcised. Instead, it feels like a tire spinning it's wheels in the mud. We have a collection of talent that at times can line up and just be more talented than the guys across from them, but that's about it. There is no complimentary football being played. It seems there's not much unity among the players. It's just a pot luck dinner. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

So in this scenario who is Grant? I am guessing Sirianni is Meade and Moore is Sheridan.  

Currently NONE of them are Grant.   And Sirianni and Moore are the brigadier generals that are allowing the Bucs' defense to dictate that they put their most dangerous weapon on ice for basically the entire game.   

None of this coaching staff stood up and said, the best player on the field wears OUR jersey and we need to find ways to get the ball into his hands, no matter what they try to do to stop us.   If lining up with 8 and 9 in the box eliminates the threat of Barkley, then Bowles would be stupid to do anything else.  No one else was going to beat them yesterday... only Barkley.   And he showed it on his 65 yard run... there were opportunities to be had, they just had to COMMIT to feeding him and let HIM figure out the way to get through there.  Sure, there would be some 0 and 1 or 2 yard gains.   But, Detroit never stopped feeding Barry Sanders the ball because they knew on any given handoff, he could make magic happen, despite the defense's best efforts.  

This whole coaching staff went into that game allowing the Bucs to dictate things to the offense.  When you go into a game with your full complement of playmakers, you can get away with going with the guy that they give you.  But, you can't allow them to take the only threat away and not even give him a chance to make the field tilt in your favor.  

 

If they are going to line up with 8 or 9 in the box, then spread them out and force them to go one on one outside.  And put Barkley in motion and run some flanker screen type stuff to him on the outside.   There's more than one way to feed a guy like Barkley touches, but this team doesn't seem to have the interest or the creativity in doing so.    Maybe line up Gainwell in the backfield and line up Barkley as a WR... run him on a jet sweep?   Complete lack of creativity.  

Someone actually got a screenshot of it!  

Just now, NOTW said:

Yeah but it happens. And if Nick is costing them games and has lost the locker room, then the argument that Moore has never been a HC shouldn't matter if the move is to save the season. Can't be any worse if that's the case.

If you fire Nick (and I think there is basically no chance they do it midseason), you're almost better turning to Fangio as the HC and elevating someone like Hurtt to be the DC. Fangio has been a HC before, and Hurtt has been a DC before. You can interview Moore in the offseason, but let him go the next 12 games in full control of the offense and see what he delivers.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d roll with Moore. Even if it spirals out of control and we suck that potentially happens with sirianni for a second consecutive year. Add on at least we’d have high draft picks and hopefully get some higher quality talent along the DL or maybe Lane’s long term replacement 

I know my position is reactionary and not at all level headed, but at this point I fail to see any benefit of keeping Nick around other than the owner not looking like Dan Snyder JR.  

Interesting question: how would you rank the situations at Qb in the nfc east heading into 2025 given the current state of everything? 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Did you read past the first six words?  You're asking a coordinator with no head coaching experience to take over in mid season, run the locker room, strategize the game from both an offensive and defensive standpoint, oversee and hold Fangio accountable, sit in on both offense and defense meetings through the week, call the plays, make the challenges, work the officials, meet with the media 2-3 times per week, and all other responsibilities the head coach has.

We're talking about assuming this role on the fly in Week 5.  We're not talking about being hired in January and building a roster and culture.   

 

Just now, NOTW said:

Yeah but it happens. And if Nick is costing them games and has lost the locker room, then the argument that Moore has never been a HC shouldn't matter if the move is to save the season. Can't be any worse if that's the case.

We're talking if Nick is such a detriment to the team that they need to fire him (they won't). But for argument's sake, if things are that bad then yeah, Moore will have someone else on his staff assist with the offense, such as promoting a position coach to OC or having someone be assistant. Do you continue losing games because of Siri just because Moore would have to take on a larger role? 

Fangio doesn't let Nick contribute anything on defense anyway. He has "his" secret analytics that he doesn't share with his HEAD coach or any other coaches. He doesn't speak to the other coaches. So that wouldn't change anyway so why argue that Moore would have to be all of a sudden so involved in the defense? Fangio would have even less respect for him than Siri. But at least the offense might perform better and he'd make better situational calls. 

Again, we're talking panic mode here if they think Siri is that bad and actually fire him during the season.

Last year(or was it early this year) a quote came out, I forgot from who, that said Jeff Lurie has more involvement in football matters than ever before.

I wonder how much of this has to do with the current organizational issues.

Just now, paco said:

I know my position is reactionary and not at all level headed, but at this point I fail to see any benefit of keeping Nick around other than the owner not looking like Dan Snyder JR.  

I thought Bo wulf said it best on their podcast, i think lurie knew he needed to fire sirianni but didn’t want too. By that i think he likes sirianni and sirianni got him back to a SB so felt he owed him another year. but knew how everything spiraled out of control that he probably needed to be fired.

frankly i said before they announced sirianni was back that sirianni probably should be fired but lurie won’t do it since he’s had success just a year ago and i think lurie looked at it optically how it would look to fire a HC 1 year removed from a sb. Tend to think you shouldn’t worry about optics if you know in heart it’s the right decision to make. 

Gee, maybe try some press coverage? Nah, we're good there.

 

57 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

2. I don't know how we teach tackling, but if I see one more guy wildly dive at someone's legs, I'm going to lose it. Stress wrapping up. If Dean can't handle it, give White a chance to play. Frankly, either play White or cut/trade him at this point. He's a waste of a roster spot. Try Burks if need be.

 

No idea how to find it on twitter, but during camp, one of their biggest tackling drills is literally players diving across at a big donut, rolling and landing on a big pad. They are actually teaching them to dive and roll. It's wild to see it play out in person now.

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

It’ll probably be a couple of days before I can stomach participating again, but I wanted to take a quick moment to reveal an amazing prediction I made yesterday. When the Bucs were preparing to punt for the first time up 14-0, I said out loud that "DeJean is going to fumble this.” Dunno why I had that premonition but I did. I guess it just felt like it was going to be "one of those days”. 

With your expertise in special teams, what did you think of the veteran savvy move of pushing the gunner into your stationary, helpless teammate to draw a flag (if the refs don't call for a block in the back)?

Just now, bpac55 said:

No idea how to find it on twitter, but during camp, one of their biggest tackling drills is literally players diving across at a big donut, rolling and landing on a big pad. They are actually teaching them to dive and roll. It's wild to see it play out in person now.

That's idiotic