23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Eagles could conceivably get a 2nd rounder for Reddick.

WTF does this word salad mean? It’s a conditional 2nd/3rd. It’s like when Howie leaked Wentz as a conditional first but everyone else said it’s a conditional 2nd. Either way, how is he supposed to hit the snap count % missing 1/4 of the games and probably coming back on a limited basis whenever he returns?

She makes no sense unless there was some hidden term of "if you trade him to Dallas it’s a 2nd” which makes no sense for Jets to agree to and makes everyone else look completely stupid. I’m not even sure the NFL would ever let one team dictate the future decisions of another team like that. 

Random trip down memory lane:

November 2008.  Mcnabb was circling the drain.  3 full seasons removed from his 2004 peak (with one last flukey playoff run in him coming that same year).  

Mcnabb is benched by AR at halftime in favor of Kolb…someone who, under those circumstances, everyone was some combination of curious and excited to see.  Kolb was terrible.  The eagles were blown out.

AR didn’t even talk to Mcnabb at halftime.  He let the assistant notify him.  That’s how you lose a team and that rivals many of the stupid things Doug and Siri have done.

AR went on to find some lightning in a bottle with Vick, but he mostly sputtered out from there.  In 2012, he did lose the team.

And now, with the right qb, he’s going to be in the conversation as the singular greatest coach of all time.

I don’t think AR ever would have reached those heights in Philly.  People grow, wake up, change…he did some dumb stuff here. 

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

WTF does this word salad mean? It’s a conditional 2nd/3rd. It’s like when Howie leaked Wentz as a conditional first but everyone else said it’s a conditional 2nd. Either way, how is he supposed to hit the snap count % missing 1/4 of the games and probably coming back on a limited basis whenever he returns?

She makes no sense unless there was some hidden term of "if you trade him to Dallas it’s a 2nd” which makes no sense for Jets to agree to and makes everyone else look completely stupid. I’m not even sure the NFL would ever let one team dictate the future decisions of another team like that. 

"If you trade him anywhere in the NFC east it’s a first.”  

Then we trade a 2nd for Reddick and pick up a 1st round pick since we are in the NFC east.

Draft Day level fantasy but it sounds fun.

So how about Graham being the team’s best edge rusher. Might as well play another season after this 

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So how about Graham being the team’s best edge rusher. Might as well play another season after this 

Being the best edge rusher on the team and being a good edge rusher are two different things.

He should have retired by now.  I get that he is energetic and loves this, but it’s time.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Random trip down memory lane:

November 2008.  Mcnabb was circling the drain.  3 full seasons removed from his 2004 peak (with one last flukey playoff run in him coming that same year).  

Mcnabb is benched by AR at halftime in favor of Kolb…someone who, under those circumstances, everyone was some combination of curious and excited to see.  Kolb was terrible.  The eagles were blown out.

AR didn’t even talk to Mcnabb at halftime.  He let the assistant notify him.  That’s how you lose a team and that rivals many of the stupid things Doug and Siri have done.

AR went on to find some lightning in a bottle with Vick, but he mostly sputtered out from there.  In 2012, he did lose the team.

And now, with the right qb, he’s going to be in the conversation as the singular greatest coach of all time.

I don’t think AR ever would have reached those heights in Philly.  People grow, wake up, change…he did some dumb stuff here. 

AR had a string of just terrible drafts. He didn’t get WR right until Desean in 08. Had to make a desperate trade for Dante Stallworth one year and overpay Kevin Curtis the following year just for some kind of chance. Thankfully Westbrook was such a stud in those years 

Just now, eagle45 said:

Being the best edge rusher on the team and being a good edge rusher are two different things.

He should have retired by now.  I get that he is energetic and loves this, but it’s time.

He is still producing. The other guys suck. Let him play 

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Random trip down memory lane:

November 2008.  Mcnabb was circling the drain.  3 full seasons removed from his 2004 peak (with one last flukey playoff run in him coming that same year).  

Mcnabb is benched by AR at halftime in favor of Kolb…someone who, under those circumstances, everyone was some combination of curious and excited to see.  Kolb was terrible.  The eagles were blown out.

AR didn’t even talk to Mcnabb at halftime.  He let the assistant notify him.  That’s how you lose a team and that rivals many of the stupid things Doug and Siri have done.

 

The Eagles went to the NFCCG that season and barely lost that game

If you want a reason to understand why they play so stupidly. 

1 hour ago, ShutDownDB said:

I know it's all the rage to crap all over Nick and say everything is his fault, and maybe it is all him. However, allow me to pose this question to you all...

Is Jalen Hurts uncoachable?

I keep thinking about the game last season, can't remember who it was against, that ended in a Hurts INT. Of course Sirianni fell on the sword and took blame but we later found out it was Hurts and AJ improvising. How often does he think "F that we're doing what I want?"

It was the Seattle game last year.  Just like the Atlanta game this year all they needed was a FG to win and Hurts tried to get greedy and threw an interception. 

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Random trip down memory lane:

November 2008.  Mcnabb was circling the drain.  3 full seasons removed from his 2004 peak (with one last flukey playoff run in him coming that same year).  

Mcnabb is benched by AR at halftime in favor of Kolb…someone who, under those circumstances, everyone was some combination of curious and excited to see.  Kolb was terrible.  The eagles were blown out.

AR didn’t even talk to Mcnabb at halftime.  He let the assistant notify him.  That’s how you lose a team and that rivals many of the stupid things Doug and Siri have done.

AR went on to find some lightning in a bottle with Vick, but he mostly sputtered out from there.  In 2012, he did lose the team.

And now, with the right qb, he’s going to be in the conversation as the singular greatest coach of all time.

I don’t think AR ever would have reached those heights in Philly.  People grow, wake up, change…he did some dumb stuff here. 

McNabb being benched didn't lose the team. If anything he played better after that.  They went to the NFCCG.

You can say naming Juan Castillo as DC was stupid.

35 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Being the best edge rusher on the team and being a good edge rusher are two different things.

He should have retired by now.  I get that he is energetic and loves this, but it’s time.

Graham should have been the 4th best edge behind Huff, Sweat, and Smith. He would have been great in that role with what he’s shown so far. Unfortunately, they’re probably going to burn him out with the usage rate he’s seen so far. But I don’t think he’s shown anything so far that warrants that he should have retired. The position is already a disaster, it would be worse without Graham. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

WTF does this word salad mean? It’s a conditional 2nd/3rd. It’s like when Howie leaked Wentz as a conditional first but everyone else said it’s a conditional 2nd. Either way, how is he supposed to hit the snap count % missing 1/4 of the games and probably coming back on a limited basis whenever he returns?

She makes no sense unless there was some hidden term of "if you trade him to Dallas it’s a 2nd” which makes no sense for Jets to agree to and makes everyone else look completely stupid. I’m not even sure the NFL would ever let one team dictate the future decisions of another team like that. 

The "conditional on where he’s traded to next” is fascinating if true, though.  That would be Howie trading a guy he knows Joe Douglas isn’t going to get signed, and you’d have to wonder why the hell would Joe D. make that trade??

It’s Josina Anderson, so I doubt the validity of it.

1 hour ago, ShutDownDB said:

I know it's all the rage to crap all over Nick and say everything is his fault, and maybe it is all him. However, allow me to pose this question to you all...

Is Jalen Hurts uncoachable?

I keep thinking about the game last season, can't remember who it was against, that ended in a Hurts INT. Of course Sirianni fell on the sword and took blame but we later found out it was Hurts and AJ improvising. How often does he think "F that we're doing what I want?"

I think it’s fair to start questioning the QB. I was going to bring this up with motion usage and the fact we are still bottom of the half in the league despite hiring an OC that’s known for motion. There’s 3 things to point to imo. 

1. Nick is interfering. Which is plausible to an extent. But they are still bottom half of the league in motion percentage which makes it hard to believe he’s interfering that much. Maybe he is and something bigger will come out but I’d say it’s the least of the 3.

2. Injuries. Maybe they feel with Brown out for 3 games and Smith the last game they want to keep it simple and stupid. It’s somewhat believable although they had everyone last Sunday who spent the entire TC here to learn the offense with the lone exception of Dotson. Fran Duffy made a solid point of Rams lost Kupp and Nacua but it didn’t change their offense.

3. The QB. Which is the obvious answer to me. He doesn’t like running motion. Just like he doesn’t like running under center. Either he can’t or doesn’t like to but it’s hard to keep blaming everyone else when there is one constant.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

WTF does this word salad mean? It’s a conditional 2nd/3rd. It’s like when Howie leaked Wentz as a conditional first but everyone else said it’s a conditional 2nd. Either way, how is he supposed to hit the snap count % missing 1/4 of the games and probably coming back on a limited basis whenever he returns?

She makes no sense unless there was some hidden term of "if you trade him to Dallas it’s a 2nd” which makes no sense for Jets to agree to and makes everyone else look completely stupid. I’m not even sure the NFL would ever let one team dictate the future decisions of another team like that. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The "conditional on where he’s traded to next” is fascinating if true, though.  That would be Howie trading a guy he knows Joe Douglas isn’t going to get signed, and you’d have to wonder why the hell would Joe D. make that trade??

It’s Josina Anderson, so I doubt the validity of it.

Yea but like you said, why would the Jets agree to that? It sounds like she’s just saying "if the Jets traded him he could still meet the conditions for the pick to become a 2nd” which is kinda news I guess since we didn’t know but also worded to sound like she actually knows something which she probably doesn’t.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

WTF is a Tommy John ligament? 

It's the one that requires the Tommy John surgery.

2 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

I know it's all the rage to crap all over Nick and say everything is his fault, and maybe it is all him. However, allow me to pose this question to you all...

Is Jalen Hurts uncoachable?

I keep thinking about the game last season, can't remember who it was against, that ended in a Hurts INT. Of course Sirianni fell on the sword and took blame but we later found out it was Hurts and AJ improvising. How often does he think "F that we're doing what I want?"

Both can be true at the same time.

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

IIRC Rodger’s had the block?

He's good at pushing guys.  At least that one wasn't into the returner.

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Would be awesome...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...to use that pick on a QB

Pretty sure that's old news.  I thought it was a 3rd pick that could conditionally be a second.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If you want a reason to understand why they play so stupidly. 

At least someone is taking responsibility.

 

Meanwhile there are two backup CBs trying to injure our expected slot CB/3rd S of the future.  First Rodgers, then Ringo.   Dejean must not be popular in that position room.

2 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

I know it's all the rage to crap all over Nick and say everything is his fault, and maybe it is all him. However, allow me to pose this question to you all...

Is Jalen Hurts uncoachable?

I keep thinking about the game last season, can't remember who it was against, that ended in a Hurts INT. Of course Sirianni fell on the sword and took blame but we later found out it was Hurts and AJ improvising. How often does he think "F that we're doing what I want?"

Hurts has a bigger ego that is let on by his nonchalant press conferences. And that’s fine because every good QB has one to a degree. But his issues are more talent related and where he lacks (arm strength, progression reading, lack of trust, etc). Turnovers should be the biggest concern for him. Josh Allen has a similar problem but has seemed to mitigate that through four games so far. So that is fixable but the frustrating part is Hurts has not shown that so far this season. He’s still making the same dumb mistakes. 
 

He obviously needs to get rid of the ball faster but they’re still running long, developing plays. Five yards on first down is a win. Checkdowns are a win. Third and manageable within 3-5 yards is a win. 2nd and 10 has been a big issue for them so far because you get the predictable run for no gain there. Small ball should be the priority to help get him back on track and some confidence regained. 
 

I have my issues with the guy but I am rooting for him and know he has good play in him. But it’s going to take a serious effort to get him right. I just don’t know what they work on during the week because everyone looks lost once the whistle blows. 

Pretty interesting stats here which can obviously change the rest of the way, but is a big indicator as to why the offense is struggling. Obviously AJ and DeVonta have been out which hampers the offense, no one disagrees with that. But the "big play” throughout the league has been non existent through four weeks and sacks given up are higher as well. And with completion % up, yards per catch down, and the fewest passing yards in 20 years that basically tells you it’s a check down league through four weeks.

Hurts refuses to check down whether through his fault or the offense’s design. But this offense has been designed for the "big play” for a while. That adjustment needs to be made or for AJ and DeVonta to change it when they return  

So whether it makes people feel better or not, this is something the rest of the league is dealing with. But the top teams now like Minnesota and KC are countering it with good defense which the Eagles clearly are not outside of the New Orleans game. 

24 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Pretty interesting stats here which can obviously change the rest of the way, but is a big indicator as to why the offense is struggling. Obviously AJ and DeVonta have been out which hampers the offense, no one disagrees with that. But the "big play” throughout the league has been non existent through four weeks and sacks given up are higher as well. And with completion % up, yards per catch down, and the fewest passing yards in 20 years that basically tells you it’s a check down league through four weeks.

Hurts refuses to check down whether through his fault or the offense’s design. But this offense has been designed for the "big play” for a while. That adjustment needs to be made or for AJ and DeVonta to change it when they return  

So whether it makes people feel better or not, this is something the rest of the league is dealing with. But the top teams now like Minnesota and KC are countering it with good defense which the Eagles clearly are not outside of the New Orleans game. 

It’s a QB-driven league and, right now, the NFL has VERY few really good, veteran QBs.  Rodgers, Stafford, and Cousins would be the top three right now in games started among full time starting QBs, unless I’m forgetting somebody.  Do any of those 3 guys strike fear in opposing defenses?  I don’t think Rodgers is the same guy anymore who used to carve up defenses in GB.  Stafford has always had a great arm and tough as nails, but makes a lot of mistakes.  Cousins is Cousins.

I think a lot of those metrics are attributable to coaches developing young NFL QBs to be safe with the ball, minimize mistakes, make the high percentage short throw, and "matriculate down the field”, as Hank Stramm used to tell Len Dawson.  Defenses are limiting the chunk plays by dropping more into coverage and rushing 4 guys, while edge rushers are faster and more athletic than ever before.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Play better.