1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I could see Jets wanting that 1 year

Rodgers wants it. And based off reports it’s a 2nd+

that said I have to wonder how does Garrett Wilson feel. Because Garrett Wilson has been pretty frustrated so far this year and starting to air it out more. I can’t imagine bringing in Davante Adams in when he’s not happy with his production and usage. In theory Adams should make his life easier but i can see a WR that’s frustrated with amount of targets and usage might not be as thrilled to see the been fit of having Adams on the opposite side of him 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That guy Syed who goes on the Philly Special pod with Sheil said he thinks going over the film he'd put more blame on the players(Howie?) than Fangio. He said there were plays to be made, guys were missing tackles, taking bad angles to the ball, etc. Not sure I agree, and I've seen others put more on Fangio so it's just one opinion.

It’s both. Players aren’t playing well and aren’t tackling well. And fangio hasn’t done enough to help them get a pass rush or make adjustments. Like he knew baker was getting it out super fast yet playing his corners off consistently all game 

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Rodgers wants it. And based off reports it’s a 2nd+

that said I have to wonder how does Garrett Wilson feel. Because Garrett Wilson has been pretty frustrated so far this year and starting to air it out more. I can’t imagine bringing in Davante Adams in when he’s not happy with his production and usage. In theory Adams should make his life easier but i can see a WR that’s frustrated with amount of targets and usage might not be as thrilled to see the been fit of having Adams on the opposite side of him 

Though having Wilson and Adams would be pretty great and super hard to defend

I'd watch out for the Steelers, they tried hard for Aiyuk.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

They need to pay Parsons. Not sure why they'd be in the mix to begin with

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Though having Wilson and Adams would be pretty great and super hard to defend

Lazard is their leading receiver currently...

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That guy Syed who goes on the Philly Special pod with Sheil said he thinks going over the film he'd put more blame on the players(Howie?) than Fangio. He said there were plays to be made, guys were missing tackles, taking bad angles to the ball, etc. Not sure I agree, and I've seen others put more on Fangio so it's just one opinion.

It is Fangio's fault for not being more aggressive (press coverage, more single high, more blitzes that aren't obvious, playing Maddox over Cooper).

It's not Fangio's fault that Nakobe is slow & small, that Josh Sweat isn't as good as he used to be, that Davis can only play 20 snaps, or that the defense decided to miss on tackles.

The combination of the two leads to a bottom 5 defense.

4 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Lazard is their leading receiver currently...

Probably familiarity plays a part in it

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'd watch out for the Steelers, they tried hard for Aiyuk.

If the Cowboys are out, I'm starting to think this is Jets or nothing.  To make this trade, you have to be a team in a "win-now" mode.  It' s a 2nd round pick for a 1 year rental that you'll have to release after this season for salary cap reasons.  If you're trying to build for the long-term, this makes no sense.  

 

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Rodgers wants it. And based off reports it’s a 2nd+

that said I have to wonder how does Garrett Wilson feel. Because Garrett Wilson has been pretty frustrated so far this year and starting to air it out more. I can’t imagine bringing in Davante Adams in when he’s not happy with his production and usage. In theory Adams should make his life easier but i can see a WR that’s frustrated with amount of targets and usage might not be as thrilled to see the been fit of having Adams on the opposite side of him 

Huff for Wilson

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'd watch out for the Steelers, they tried hard for Aiyuk.

I'm not sure Adams would want to go to the Steelers.  

As I post that..

32 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That guy Syed who goes on the Philly Special pod with Sheil said he thinks going over the film he'd put more blame on the players(Howie?) than Fangio. He said there were plays to be made, guys were missing tackles, taking bad angles to the ball, etc. Not sure I agree, and I've seen others put more on Fangio so it's just one opinion.

The thing is, THAT many players who performed well in college and performed well in prior seasons here or with other teams, all of a sudden are lacking fundamentals this season?

Even so, ok if it's the players execution on the field then...what is the coach doing about it? Bench guys and play backups. Adjust the scheme to play to their strengths. Handle practice and film room differently. Make adjustments. It's the ultimate team sport where all these aspects have to work together. You see how much coaching matters, as much as the players performance.

52 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

On an "aggressive” scale between 1-10

Gannon was around a 8.5

Fangio has been a 3 at best.  
 

Regardless of "similar scheme” you need to be able to apply pressure and risk being aggressive at times within a similar scheme - Gannon was aggressive and often.   Fangio is rarely aggressive and plays the "bend don’t break” style much more often.

 

That said, of course our guys are getting older but Sweat is still within his prime and I believe Carter has just as much potential as Cox and Hargrave if used properly (they need to figure out a way to get him off double teams).  He runs amok and creates havoc anytime he’s not double teamed - that can be schemed.

2022

2023

2024

 

I'd love to see you defend the assertion that Gannon was more aggressive than Fangio.

 

As for Carter being as effective as EITHER Cox or Hargrave.   Sure.  But, that's the issue.  It's just Carter.  In 2022, they had Reddick leading the league in sacks, they had Cox picking up 7, Hargrave disrupting for 11 and Graham kicking in 11 more.   In other words, they couldn't just focus on one guy, because there were a lot of options to get home.  Now, you double team Carter and you dare any of the rest of them to win their 1 on 1.  They aren't.   That team had 4 players go over 10 sacks.  This team will be fortunate to get even 1 double digit sack player.    The talent just isn't there.   The scheme could be changed to try to generate more pass rush... but the talent just doesn't even come close to comparing.  

 

And Sweat is not in his prime.  If he were, would he have agreed to a pay cut this offseason?   Highly unlikely.  Age does not determine 'prime'.  His body is beat up, and his knees are shot.  Its why RBs have such a short shelf-life compared to other positions, like WR.  They can be the same age, but the abuse to their bodies don't match up.  Sweat came into the league with 30 year old knees.  They haven't gotten better.

15 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

I know it's all the rage to crap all over Nick and say everything is his fault, and maybe it is all him. However, allow me to pose this question to you all...

Is Jalen Hurts uncoachable?

I keep thinking about the game last season, can't remember who it was against, that ended in a Hurts INT. Of course Sirianni fell on the sword and took blame but we later found out it was Hurts and AJ improvising. How often does he think "F that we're doing what I want?"

Didn't we just recently have a quarterback that was accused of ignoring called plays? Another parallel?

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The thing is, THAT many players who performed well in college and performed well in prior seasons here or with other teams, all of a sudden are lacking fundamentals this season?

Even so, ok if it's the players execution on the field then...what is the coach doing about it? Bench guys and play backups. Adjust the scheme to play to their strengths. Handle practice and film room differently. Make adjustments. It's the ultimate team sport where all these aspects have to work together. You see how much coaching matters, as much as the players performance.

How many players are we talking about?

Davis - limited snap number at UGA.   They had massive loads of talent at UGA, so they didn't need to keep them on the field much.  They could come in and come out at the drop of a hat.

Carter - see above.  He couldn't be doubled as much either, because UGA had outside players too.

Smith - smaller player that just might not transition to the NFL.   It happens.  Lots of first round busts.   He's fast on his way at this point.

Dean - playing behind a stacked and fresh DL, he could run freely to the ball and tackle RBs that aren't on the field in the NFL.  

 

And who are these players that performed well in prior seasons that I'm missing?   Graham is ancient, but our best EDGE.  Huff really only had 1 year of production and in very limited snaps.  Can he handle a bigger load and be asked to stop the run at times?   Seems he can't.  Sweat?  Knees are kind of important.  His are shot.  

 

The secondary are missing tackles, but that's not very new for most of them either.  Slay doesn't like to tackle, but will a little.   He's also ancient and a half.  CJGJ has never been a good tackler.  Blankenship is the best tackler, and he went out this game with illness/dehydration.  And then there's Maddox... who's cooked.  

The players on defense aren't good enough.

The scheme isn't good enough.

 

Put them together, the defense could be one of the worst in the NFL.  And through 4 games, it really has looked that way.  The Saints game sure looks like a massive anomaly.

Eagles are broken and everyone knows it. Seems like one of those "everybody sucks in NFC East" seasons that Washington always seems to take the division in.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The players on defense aren't good enough.

The scheme isn't good enough.

 

Put them together, the defense could be one of the worst in the NFL.  And through 4 games, it really has looked that way.  The Saints game sure looks like a massive anomaly.

This defense would be awesome in the 80's. 

Which is why they looked good against an offense that played like they were in the 80's. 

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the defense takes some lumps the next few weeks but gets better as the season goes on.  

I would seriously think about trading Slay.  He's not terrible but not sure his passive attitude towards the team is good especially for the younger guys.

Offense on the other hand is up to Jalen IMO.  He needs to stop the timely turnovers and make quicker decisions with the ball.  Just seems like every snap on offense takes forever and it takes him a long time to go somewhere with the ball.  Maybe they should run hurry up more often but we've been saying that for awhile.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The players on defense aren't good enough.

The scheme isn't good enough.

Yup.

We have 2 players on defense that I feel very confident will be on the team in 2026 (Carter, Quinyon). We'll see if Cooper can make it 3. Everyone else should be fighting for a spot.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How many players are we talking about?

Davis - limited snap number at UGA.   They had massive loads of talent at UGA, so they didn't need to keep them on the field much.  They could come in and come out at the drop of a hat.

Carter - see above.  He couldn't be doubled as much either, because UGA had outside players too.

Smith - smaller player that just might not transition to the NFL.   It happens.  Lots of first round busts.   He's fast on his way at this point.

Dean - playing behind a stacked and fresh DL, he could run freely to the ball and tackle RBs that aren't on the field in the NFL.  

 

And who are these players that performed well in prior seasons that I'm missing?   Graham is ancient, but our best EDGE.  Huff really only had 1 year of production and in very limited snaps.  Can he handle a bigger load and be asked to stop the run at times?   Seems he can't.  Sweat?  Knees are kind of important.  His are shot.  

 

The secondary are missing tackles, but that's not very new for most of them either.  Slay doesn't like to tackle, but will a little.   He's also ancient and a half.  CJGJ has never been a good tackler.  Blankenship is the best tackler, and he went out this game with illness/dehydration.  And then there's Maddox... who's cooked.  

 

The GA guys were high picks for a reason. Our own returning players yes there's a decline with age or injury. A free agent like Huff did more last year with the Jets in a part-time role, has done nothing here. Rodgers was on his way to being a starter in Indy before his suspension. Jordan Davis had a good rookie year, people were complaining they limited his snaps. The run defense last year suffered when Dean got hurt. CJGJ played better in his prior run with us, and he and Blankenship complemented each other well. Q is new, thank goodness for him. 

You're right that the problem is a mix of talent and coaching. So currently where things stand, you can't make major changes to the roster. But the experienced veteran coach can make changes to play to the strengths of the players.

You also have a GM that doesn't have a defensive philosophy other than try to load the D line in the draft. They have to decide if they want to be a 4-3 or a 3-4 team and what type of players. Because they now have all these small, weak pass rushing specialists. They should have drafted a traditional DE in the last couple years. 

There is enough talent to not be a bottom-of-the-league defense. The defense too often looks like they give up or aren't playing hard enough. They get demotivated easily, especially when the offense doesn't score or has a turnover or quick 3 and out. 

A lot of it is also philosophy, coaching, accountability from the top down at all levels.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How many players are we talking about?

Davis - limited snap number at UGA.   They had massive loads of talent at UGA, so they didn't need to keep them on the field much.  They could come in and come out at the drop of a hat.

Carter - see above.  He couldn't be doubled as much either, because UGA had outside players too.

Smith - smaller player that just might not transition to the NFL.   It happens.  Lots of first round busts.   He's fast on his way at this point.

 

So 3 players that shouldn't have been drafted so high?

34 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

2022

2023

2024

 

I'd love to see you defend the assertion that Gannon was more aggressive than Fangio.

 

As for Carter being as effective as EITHER Cox or Hargrave.   Sure.  But, that's the issue.  It's just Carter.  In 2022, they had Reddick leading the league in sacks, they had Cox picking up 7, Hargrave disrupting for 11 and Graham kicking in 11 more.   In other words, they couldn't just focus on one guy, because there were a lot of options to get home.  Now, you double team Carter and you dare any of the rest of them to win their 1 on 1.  They aren't.   That team had 4 players go over 10 sacks.  This team will be fortunate to get even 1 double digit sack player.    The talent just isn't there.   The scheme could be changed to try to generate more pass rush... but the talent just doesn't even come close to comparing.  

 

And Sweat is not in his prime.  If he were, would he have agreed to a pay cut this offseason?   Highly unlikely.  Age does not determine 'prime'.  His body is beat up, and his knees are shot.  Its why RBs have such a short shelf-life compared to other positions, like WR.  They can be the same age, but the abuse to their bodies don't match up.  Sweat came into the league with 30 year old knees.  They haven't gotten better.

It’s not just "blitz rate” it’s WHEN to Blitz, how to blitz, how you "disguise” your blitz’s, scheming how to get your best pass rushers through, etc etc etc.

 I’m not a defensive mastermind by any means but most people that have watched the game for decades would tell you the same thing.  
 

And I tend to agree that it’s most likely a combination of personnel and not necessarily "fitting in” with the scheme but if that’s the case, you need to do the best with what you have and PLAY to their STRENGTHS - NOT the other way around - which Fangio has been notorious for.  He’s a "my way or the highway” type of guy.

We won the Super Bowl with half the team injured and the backup QB.

Why and how?  Because we adjusted our scheme and played to their strengths.

If we want to win that’s what needs to be done - plain and simple. 

On 10/1/2024 at 11:14 AM, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s really not. If the eagles go 1-2 in their next 3 games that’s actually worse over a 16 game stretch hen the 4-11-1 eagles. Furthermore, the coaching during the 2020 season wasn’t good either. I know because I was one of the ones posting videos showing how bad the coaching was that year along with how bad wentz was

Let me take it a step further the quarterback has 7 turnovers in 4 games. Means he’s on pace for 30 turnovers. Furthermore, he has five fumbles this season. That means he is on pace for 21 fumbles on the year. So you’re gonna tell me wentz had a turnover and fumbling problem but currently hurts doesn’t?  He is only behind Levis in total turnovers this year. That’s BS? 

Let me go to the defense now, the defense wasn’t awful in 2020? Yeah, it was pretty bad. Only difference is defense could generate a pass rush and our corners are better now but their LBs stunk, they couldn’t stop the run (ranked 21 this year and ranked 22 in 2020) and they couldn’t generate turnovers (bottom 10 in 2020 and currently have 2 through 4 games in 2024)

you can call BS all you want, but the reality is they are 3-10 in their last 13 games with a far superior talent on their roster for many of these games than 2020. The real only difference on offense is that the last 13 games is the Eagles talent is so much more superior when they’re healthy that they can overcome bad turnovers/bad decisions by our Qb and poor coaching and score more consistently. Eagles offense had reagor, JJAW and Hightower playing significant snaps at WR and musical chairs at OL along with a bad Carson wentz and bad coaching. 

😂more selective nerd bullsht. Y’all dudes a trip