5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue that broncos defense was absolutely stacked. They had Malik Jackson in his prime (we got him down side of his career and he got injured) Demarcus ware who was still great at that point, von miller in his prime, Chris Harris, talib, roby and TJ Ward. Doesn’t include solid starters of Wolfe, Marshall and trevathan. Credit to fangio cause he got them playing at the absolutely highest level and maximizing the talent. However having a stacked defense would make a lot of schemes and coordinators look a hell of a lot better. Imo eagles 2022 stacked pass rush made Gannon look better then what i think he is. 

Broncos defense essentially won them the SB and dragged the offense along with them

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Broncos defense essentially won them the SB and dragged the offense along with them

I 100% agree. My point was more that defense was absolutely loaded. The odds you are getting that type of loaded defense aren’t very likely. Fangio gets credit for maximizing the talent but I’d argue most defenses would look good with that much talent and a competent DC. Heck Gannon looked good when he had a loaded DL in 2022 

1 hour ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

😂more selective nerd bullsht. Y’all dudes a trip

keep ball good +

lose ball bad -

= Hurts been bad

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I agree with the problems you listed. It's personnel, scheme, players that fit the scheme, execution and coaching.

As we sit at the bye week after 4 games, the coaches can make changes that can improve the defense adequately. A lot can change after this season. Nick can get fired and a new HC will get a whole new staff so changing roster to fit Fangio may be moot. But if they do keep Siri and Fangio then they will at least evaluate the players in his scheme and see what that means for offseason changes.

So my point is, what does Fangio do about it now? Howie has not made good trade deadline moves, so I don't see a big answer coming via trade. I think he has to change some things schematically and also bench some guys. A lot of fans say bench Maddox and play DeJean, I agree. Bench Slay for Ringo, perhaps. Have the corners press at the line more, more single high safety, other ideas. Blitz more, etc. There are things the coach can do to adjust. But will Fangio do that, or be stubborn?

Fangio is stubborn.   He'll stick to his guns and believe that when they learn his system better, they will do better.  

Sirianni is a fool, but he's also stubborn.  He'll keep sticking his nose into the offense and they'll continue to choose to ignore points and be 'aggressive' because of the analytics... which he only partially understands and only partially follows.

For example, the Falcons' game.  The analytics say throwing the ball on 3rd down is the play, because if you convert the first, you win the game.  HOWEVER, the analytics also say that if you don't get the first down by throwing on 3rd down, that the better option is to go for it on 4th down, rather than kicking the FG.   And working backwards, if it is better to go for it on 4th down than kick the FG, then the analytics say that you should RUN THE BALL on 3rd down, kill the clock, and then go for the first down through any means necessary on FOURTH DOWN, where an incompletion wouldn't stop the clock any more than being stopped short of the first down marker would on a run play.    Analytically, the run on 3rd down, and a pass or run on 4th down is the way to go.   If you are stopped on 3rd down, the entire playbook is open on 4th down and the opposition would have to know it, because there's no down side to throwing on 4th down.  You either get the first down and win the game, or you are stopped and the clock stops automatically.   

Poor execution of analytics by Sirianni.  Same with the going for it so often on 4th downs in games and turning down FGs.   Ironically, again, in that Falcons game, he turned down points on the opening drive, in a 4th and 4 situation to go for a first down, which wouldn't have sealed the game, and opted instead to kick the FG rather than go for a first down in a situation that WOULD have sealed the game, but the FG wouldn't.   

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yikes

Need to quit trying to make him a safety. He's better utilized playing as a slot corner. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fangio is stubborn.   He'll stick to his guns and believe that when they learn his system better, they will do better.  

 

Just saying we’ve run a fangio style defense for 4 years now. I get there’s different nuances and variations to it but i feel like the learning curve for guys who have been here shouldn’t take as long. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yikes

But, its not like he's the worst...

 

 

oh wait. 

I am kind of curious when Howie and/or Lurie tell Nick to essentially quit overruling his OC. You bring the guy in only to basically screw him over

40 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

In the offseason they were calling it an easier schedule than 2023 IIRC

I don't think anyone expected the NFC South to perform the way they have up to this point, that's three of the first 4 games for PHI...

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying we’ve run a fangio style defense for 4 years now. I get there’s different nuances and variations to it but i feel like the learning curve for guys who have been here shouldn’t take as long. 

Sure.  But they didn't run his version.   

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

keep ball good +

lose ball bad -

= Hurts been bad

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Reddick led the league that year... and he's gone.  Hargrave put up big numbers that year.  He's gone.   Cox contributed to that number.  He's gone.

Reddick 16 sacks
Hargrave 11 sacks
Cox 7 sacks

Graham 11 sacks
Sweat 11 sacks

And Graham is now 2 years older - he was towards the end back then.   And Sweat's knees have always been a ticking time bomb - which is why he lasted in the draft as long as he did.  And his knees have played another 2 years of football, so they might be shot as well.

 

Do you really think its scheme and not talent?    It's basically the same scheme... Gannon ran a Fangio style.   They replaced Reddick with Huff.  Big swing and a miss.  They've replaced Cox and Hargrave with Carter and Davis.  Carter can be a massive disruptor, but we've only seen it in brief moments.   Davis is a space eater, not a pass rusher.  

Part the problem is that opposing QBs have been able to get rid of the ball quickly.  I think it's hard to judge the pass rush when the QB is throwing the ball in less than 2 seconds.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Part the problem is that opposing QBs have been able to get rid of the ball quickly.  I think it's hard to judge the pass rush when the QB is throwing the ball in less than 2 seconds.  

That goes back to how much of a failure Huff signing was and how badly those 1st round picks on Dline were

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I am kind of curious when Howie and/or Lurie tell Nick to essentially quit overruling his OC. You bring the guy in only to basically screw him over

He's not doing that.  Moore calls the plays and if the media chooses to harp on specific plays Nick will say he suggested the play.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

He's not doing that.  Moore calls the plays and if the media chooses to harp on specific plays Nick will say he suggested the play.  

I don't remember specifically which one it was but I do recall seeing Hurts and Nick talking on the sidelines during a 4th down when they went for it

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I don't remember specifically which one it was but I do recall seeing Hurts and Nick talking on the sidelines during a 4th down when they went for it

The fake brotherly shove where we Saquon got stuffed.

 

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I am kind of curious when Howie and/or Lurie tell Nick to essentially quit overruling his OC. You bring the guy in only to basically screw him over

Someone suggested the other day that Siri doesn't want to completely let go, because he knows he's on the hot seat so he wants to insert himself to show he's doing something. We know Fangio won't let him be involved. If Siri tries to enter the defensive meeting room, Fangio probably tells him to GTFO and locks the door.

So Siri is looking for ways to make himself look good. I think it's why he's going for it on 4th too much, trying to show he's aggressive and making things happen. Someone needs to tell him that playing it safe (in the right moments) to take the FG points is the smart decision that will be the thing to make him look good.

So, I found this interesting. Our rushing by quarter. Q1 - 18 attempts, 56 yards, 3rd lowest yards in the NFL. Q2 - 35 attempts, 156 yards, 6th best in the league, Q3 - 30 attempts, 223 yards, 3rd best in NFL. Q4 - 37 attempts, 180 yards, 4th best in NFL.

Maybe remember Barkley is on the team in the first quarter??

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/team-splits/passing/first-down/2024?sort=passrate

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

So, I found this interesting. Our rushing by quarter. Q1 - 18 attempts, 56 yards, 3rd lowest yards in the NFL. Q2 - 35 attempts, 156 yards, 6th best in the league, Q3 - 30 attempts, 223 yards, 3rd best in NFL. Q4 - 37 attempts, 180 yards, 4th best in NFL.

Maybe remember Barkley is on the team in the first quarter??

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/team-splits/passing/first-down/2024?sort=passrate

The scenario against the Bucs could not have been more obvious to lean on Barkley. 

• Top 2 WRs out
• Top LT out
• Backup/new linemen on the right side
• O line strength to run the ball
• In that heat, don't want to run receivers too much
• QB struggling with turnovers, take the ball out of his hands
• Gaining 0 yards, need to at least get something going
• Barkley was the top rusher in the league after 3 weeks, they saw his impact against the Saints

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

The scenario against the Bucs could not have been more obvious to lean on Barkley. 

• Top 2 WRs out
• Top LT out
• Backup/new linemen on the right side
• O line strength to run the ball
• In that heat, don't want to run receivers too much
• QB struggling with turnovers, take the ball out of his hands
• Gaining 0 yards, need to at least get something going
• Barkley was the top rusher in the league after 3 weeks, they saw his impact against the Saints

Running in the first quarter will also open up the passing game for Hurts and make his life easier. Maybe cut down on turnovers. The coaches just seem to be obsessed with passing in the first quarter. We have 22 passes and 18 runs in the first quarter -- we are somehow averaging only 10 plays per game in the 1st quarter. No wonder we are always playing catchup.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So, I found this interesting. Our rushing by quarter. Q1 - 18 attempts, 56 yards, 3rd lowest yards in the NFL. Q2 - 35 attempts, 156 yards, 6th best in the league, Q3 - 30 attempts, 223 yards, 3rd best in NFL. Q4 - 37 attempts, 180 yards, 4th best in NFL.

Maybe remember Barkley is on the team in the first quarter??

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/team-splits/passing/first-down/2024?sort=passrate

I've been saying since the beginning that they need to run him into the ground. Get your moneys worth. First time we spent that on a RB. He's shown that he's great with this Oline. Use him

 

33 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He's not doing that.  Moore calls the plays and if the media chooses to harp on specific plays Nick will say he suggested the play.  

I wouldn’t doubt a lot of that is going on - Nick likely takes the blame for his staff at times.

The irony is that at least twice it wasn’t the play call itself that was the issue (and I’m surprised the media didn’t focus on that more) it was choosing whether or not to kick the FG or go for it on 4th down - which would have been Sirianni’s call and not Moore’s.