1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Also, I've been bullish on Carter because my expectations for him are to be the best. It's frustrating to see the potential but not the results every game. On that same piss poor Maddox tackle attempt, the only DL to do something on this play is Carter. He bull rushed his guy nearly 5 yards deep. Guy is on roller skates. Credit to TB for game planning the quick passes. Don't ask me what Sweat is doing on the bottom of the screen, Huff gets engulfed by the TE (big surprise) and Davis gets stonewalled. 

 

Maddox didn't even try to tackle him.  His arms are nowhere to be seen.  He just dove head first into the ground.  I think he was too concerned about hurting his arm/shoulder if he tried to wrap up at speed.

Sweat, huff and davis might as well not even be on the field - their levels of effort are literally non existant.

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Or there's this. Welcome to the Eagles 10 y/o Avonte Maddox.

 

 

He's another  clown.

That sort of behaviour comes from the top down. Sirianni obviously lets them do what they want - zero discipline 

At least Quinyon Mitchell has some JUICE

I’ve said this before but this team truly is so unlikeable from top to bottom.  Can honestly say I couldn’t care any less what happens this season.  Need to clean house and get players in here that actually care.

27 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

 

He's another  clown.

That sort of behaviour comes from the top down. Sirianni obviously lets them do what they want - zero discipline 

At least Quinyon Mitchell has some JUICE

26 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

 

He's another  clown.

That sort of behaviour comes from the top down. Sirianni obviously lets them do what they want - zero discipline 

At least Quinyon Mitchell has some JUICE

They are on vacation now with the bye week.    

 

IMO, bye week shouldn't be a 'week off' but instead a chance to work on fundamentals, fine tune things etc.   Teams don't take off for the 'bye' week before the Super Bowl, or before the playoffs start.   This should be no different.  They have months of vacation during the offseason.  They don't need it an extra week off in the middle of the year.  I know this might be a crazy notion, but since they are getting paid a living wage, I don't think they need an in-season vacation.  If we count all the weeks they are 'working' at the complex, if think they are down to less than 6 months of the year, not counting the post-season.   So, the bye week should be a time to tighten things up and get better, more cohesive, etc.  They don't need to hit or whatnot, so that their bodies can recuperate a bit, but they shouldn't be away from the practice facility.  They should be studying film, etc.

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They are on vacation now with the bye week.    

 

IMO, bye week shouldn't be a 'week off' but instead a chance to work on fundamentals, fine tune things etc.   Teams don't take off for the 'bye' week before the Super Bowl, or before the playoffs start.   This should be no different.  They have months of vacation during the offseason.  They don't need it an extra week off in the middle of the year.  I know this might be a crazy notion, but since they are getting paid a living wage, I don't think they need an in-season vacation.  If we count all the weeks they are 'working' at the complex, if think they are down to less than 6 months of the year, not counting the post-season.   So, the bye week should be a time to tighten things up and get better, more cohesive, etc.  They don't need to hit or whatnot, so that their bodies can recuperate a bit, but they shouldn't be away from the practice facility.  They should be studying film, etc.

He got me on Fortnite though 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I keep hearing about Ringo.  I just haven't actually seen it on the field yet.  Sydney Brown is another one... he's a heat seeking missile, but he seems to play too out of control.  He needs to reign it in a bit to be effective.

I completely agree. These are mid round guys who need to develop. But they're not clear busts. They have potential. I like that Brown plays aggressive, but yes he has a lot to work on. Ringo got some snaps last year and did well enough and showed enough potential to want to see more. I'm not saying they are already good players, I said they were value found in the mid rounds...which is better than the previous year absolute busts in Howie's drafting history.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I completely agree. These are mid round guys who need to develop. But they're not clear busts. They have potential. I like that Brown plays aggressive, but yes he has a lot to work on. Ringo got some snaps last year and did well enough and showed enough potential to want to see more. I'm not saying they are already good players, I said they were value found in the mid rounds...which is better than the previous year absolute busts in Howie's drafting history.

I guess the last part is where I would push back a bit.  I'm not sure that they actually found value in Ringo or Brown yet.   They'd have to do more positive to make the case for that.   For me, the criticism about Howie's inability to draft defensive players isn't about depth players.   Depth players are important, no doubt, but starters and star quality players is where this team is really lacking.  So, Ringo being a depth guy, who might someday be a starter doesn't really help the current situation.  Brown is closer, as he's had more opportunity than Ringo to contribute in the defense, but even during that time he's shown that he's not there yet. 

The issue is that they've lost guys playmakers/star players, and haven't replenished.   A team full of role players doesn't usually fare well.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They are on vacation now with the bye week.    

 

IMO, bye week shouldn't be a 'week off' but instead a chance to work on fundamentals, fine tune things etc.   Teams don't take off for the 'bye' week before the Super Bowl, or before the playoffs start.   This should be no different.  They have months of vacation during the offseason.  They don't need it an extra week off in the middle of the year.  I know this might be a crazy notion, but since they are getting paid a living wage, I don't think they need an in-season vacation.  If we count all the weeks they are 'working' at the complex, if think they are down to less than 6 months of the year, not counting the post-season.   So, the bye week should be a time to tighten things up and get better, more cohesive, etc.  They don't need to hit or whatnot, so that their bodies can recuperate a bit, but they shouldn't be away from the practice facility.  They should be studying film, etc.

I agree. I can see like a day of rest or certain protocols for guys recovering from injury. I think the coaches work the whole time reviewing film and planning. I think the bye should be more intense study of what they've done so far, what is working and not, put in extra practice time and drills, and focus on getting things right.

Andy Reid was always so prepared after the bye. Siri's teams look like they learned and changed nothing in prior years. We'll see what happens next week but it doesn't seem like they come out with intensity and focus. They often seem unprepared, undisciplined.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I guess the last part is where I would push back a bit.  I'm not sure that they actually found value in Ringo or Brown yet.   They'd have to do more positive to make the case for that.   For me, the criticism about Howie's inability to draft defensive players isn't about depth players.   Depth players are important, no doubt, but starters and star quality players is where this team is really lacking.  So, Ringo being a depth guy, who might someday be a starter doesn't really help the current situation.  Brown is closer, as he's had more opportunity than Ringo to contribute in the defense, but even during that time he's shown that he's not there yet. 

The issue is that they've lost guys playmakers/star players, and haven't replenished.   A team full of role players doesn't usually fare well.

Value as far as the draft prospect at the time. Of course every pick regardless of round has to prove it once they're in the league. People mostly liked those picks. There are some guys here who really liked Brown in college and were excited to get him.

And again I agree on starters. He drafted badly on defense for a long time. Now we have Carter, Q, DeJean to be excited about. It's a start.

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I completely agree. These are mid round guys who need to develop. But they're not clear busts. They have potential. I like that Brown plays aggressive, but yes he has a lot to work on. Ringo got some snaps last year and did well enough and showed enough potential to want to see more. I'm not saying they are already good players, I said they were value found in the mid rounds...which is better than the previous year absolute busts in Howie's drafting history.

Sydney Brown was a liability out there at times for sure; he's quite raw.  At the same time, though, he has the capability to be a playmaker on the defense if he can learn to play in the system.  Even though his INT against ARI was a gimme, Maddox is not capable of bringing it back 98 yards for a TD like Brown did.  I'd rather see Brown out there learning and making plays than Maddox out there not competing.

 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Maddox didn't even try to tackle him.  His arms are nowhere to be seen.  He just dove head first into the ground.  I think he was too concerned about hurting his arm/shoulder if he tried to wrap up at speed.

Yup, he tried to cut his legs.   He just needed to square up and wrap him up. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I guess the last part is where I would push back a bit.  I'm not sure that they actually found value in Ringo or Brown yet.   They'd have to do more positive to make the case for that.   For me, the criticism about Howie's inability to draft defensive players isn't about depth players.   Depth players are important, no doubt, but starters and star quality players is where this team is really lacking.  So, Ringo being a depth guy, who might someday be a starter doesn't really help the current situation.  Brown is closer, as he's had more opportunity than Ringo to contribute in the defense, but even during that time he's shown that he's not there yet. 

The issue is that they've lost guys playmakers/star players, and haven't replenished.   A team full of role players doesn't usually fare well.

Ringo played competently last season.  He should be starting over Slay now because he's more physical.   Brown was inconsistent.  He flashed at times. I don't know how he will come back from the injury but he's not likely to immediately be the same player.  I don't see him as closer.  I don't think Howie has drafted poorly necessarily.  The talent they haven't replaced were FA acquisitions and a very high draft pick.  JC is the replacement for Cox.  Williams is the replacement for Hargrave.  Huff was supposed to replace Reddick.  

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I guess the last part is where I would push back a bit.  I'm not sure that they actually found value in Ringo or Brown yet.   They'd have to do more positive to make the case for that.   For me, the criticism about Howie's inability to draft defensive players isn't about depth players.   Depth players are important, no doubt, but starters and star quality players is where this team is really lacking.  So, Ringo being a depth guy, who might someday be a starter doesn't really help the current situation.  Brown is closer, as he's had more opportunity than Ringo to contribute in the defense, but even during that time he's shown that he's not there yet. 

The issue is that they've lost guys playmakers/star players, and haven't replenished.   A team full of role players doesn't usually fare well.

Think of it this way. Brown and Ringo have scored more points in the NFL than Grant Calcaterra, Will Shipley, Ainias Smith, Johnny Wilson and Tanner McKee. You have to go back to 2021 draft and DeVonta Smith to find the last drafted offensive player to score a TD/get points for the Eagles. 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Ringo played competently last season.  He should be starting over Slay now because he's more physical.   Brown was inconsistent.  He flashed at times. I don't know how he will come back from the injury but he's not likely to immediately be the same player.  I don't see him as closer.  I don't think Howie has drafted poorly necessarily.  The talent they haven't replaced were FA acquisitions and a very high draft pick.  JC is the replacement for Cox.  Williams is the replacement for Hargrave.  Huff was supposed to replace Reddick.  

A bigger sample size is required.

Just now, bpac55 said:

Think of it this way. Brown and Ringo have scored more points in the NFL than Grant Calcaterra, Will Shipley, Ainias Smith, Johnny Wilson and Tanner McKee. You have to go back to 2021 draft and DeVonta Smith to find the last drafted offensive player to score a TD/get points for the Eagles. 

That's a ridiculous way of thinking about it.   

I'm not expecting anything out of Brown for this year. He's a young player who spent all the last 10 months rehabbing an injury and trying to shadow learn a new defense. If he can show enough for Fangio to trust to put out there and make a splash play here and there that would be great. But I can't expect that to happen or hold it against him if he doesn't. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a ridiculous way of thinking about it.   

Extremely, just trying to up the negativity in here! We aren't at 11 yet.

55 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sydney Brown was a liability out there at times for sure; he's quite raw.  At the same time, though, he has the capability to be a playmaker on the defense if he can learn to play in the system.  Even though his INT against ARI was a gimme, Maddox is not capable of bringing it back 98 yards for a TD like Brown did.  I'd rather see Brown out there learning and making plays than Maddox out there not competing.

 

Or Cooper the Jeans

Bye week musing: Is there any chance Jalen Hurts will show up on the Diddy list?

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Extremely, just trying to up the negativity in here! We aren't at 11 yet.

Nice

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Bye week musing: Is there any chance Jalen Hurts will show up on the Diddy list?

of victims? 

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A bigger sample size is required.

I have made my pronouncement about Ringo and I am correct.