2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Since week 1 the answer has been right in front of these dumb arse coaches.  Nothing has changed.

Stop trying to force Hurts into doing what Cousins did last night. It will never, ever happen.

Run the ball, let that open up the downfield game.  That's what will make Hurts look like a top NFL QB again.  Just deal with this reality.

That will help the defense and Fangios dumb scheme as well.  We're not making opponents feel like they need to score quickly.  When a team feels like they can control the clock and take all day to move up the field, it renders this scheme useless.

It's very, very simple. But until the coaches acknowledge this reality, we're screwed.

What are the chances it’s just a confidence thing he has to get beyond? He’s not forcing a lot of throws into tight coverage, is that because he’s afraid of the turn over? He’s obviously played well in the past. Stating the obvious, but he and the coaches have to figure that out.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Slay took accountability for the stats post tough. 

Sure, once there was backlash. He thought the important part was posting his stats from the locker room after that loss. That's who he is. He got called out for it as he should have. It's who  he's been, it's not the first time he's posted his stats after a bad loss. 

this team has no heart.

i live here in Texas so I dont get a lot of games, but i cant remember Nick getting into anyones faces after a bad play or benching someone. These guys just go through the motions.. and if Hurts is the so-called "leader" of this team then why doesnt he get in someones ass for running the wrong route or missing a blocking assignment. 

im sorry but i just dont get it. 

3 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

What are the chances it’s just a confidence thing he has to get beyond? He’s not forcing a lot of throws into tight coverage, is that because he’s afraid of the turn over? He’s obviously played well in the past. Stating the obvious, but he and the coaches have to figure that out.

I don't think it's a confidence thing. He's got enough confidence to throw 50/50 balls and they're getting intercepted. Hell, if anything he's overconfident and taking too many risks when theyre not necessary.  

I think it's a lack of familiarity with the offense combined with his own weaknesses as a QB to read defenses and work through progressions. The book was written on him years ago and it's still true. 

IMO, the coaches need to acknowledge reality and play to his strengths which is lean on the running game.  And no, not 27 QB runs--actual handoffs to actual running backs.

 

I know you joined the EMB recently, but we used to literally obsess about pass:run ratio on a weekly basis   Nowadays that conversation is mostly moot, but it doesn't have to get out of control.

As of now, Hurts has 132 pass attempts

As a team they have 120 rushing attempts.  Sounds nice and balanced right?  Unfortunately Saquon has 73, Gainwell has 5, and Hurts has 42. Many of Hurts' runs are scrambles from called passes, and we may as well not have a backup RB. 

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I don't think it's a confidence thing. He's got enough confidence to throw 50/50 balls and they're getting intercepted. Hell, if anything he's overconfident and taking too many risks when theyre not necessary.  

I think it's a lack of familiarity with the offense combined with his own weaknesses as a QB to read defenses and work through progressions. The book was written on him years ago and it's still true. 

IMO, the coaches need to acknowledge reality and play to his strengths which is lean on the running game.  And no, not 27 QB runs--actual handoffs to actual running backs.

 

I know you joined the EMB recently, but we used to literally obsess about pass:run ratio on a weekly basis   Nowadays that conversation is mostly moot, but it doesn't have to get out of control.

As of now, Hurts has 132 pass attempts

As a team they have 120 rushing attempts.  Sounds nice and balanced right?  Unfortunately Saquon has 73, Gainwell has 5, and Hurts has 42. Many of Hurts' runs are scrambles from called passes, and we may as well not have a backup RB. 

Or a 3rd WR because he ain’t gonna get any targets.

Cousins must have lots of really good friends that he trusts. 5 players over 65 yards receiving each, two over 100 yards.

1 minute ago, eglz1 said:

Cousins must have lots of really good friends that he trusts. 5 players over 65 yards receiving each, two over 100 yards.

Add another QB to the list that's clearly better than ours. 

Sucks

35 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

this team has no heart.

i live here in Texas so I dont get a lot of games, but i cant remember Nick getting into anyones faces after a bad play or benching someone. These guys just go through the motions.. and if Hurts is the so-called "leader" of this team then why doesnt he get in someones ass for running the wrong route or missing a blocking assignment. 

im sorry but i just dont get it. 

Hurts isn’t a leader. He sat on the bench by himself and starred into space when we were down a lot. He never encouraged his line or receivers. After they scored, he finally did. However, most times when things are going poorly, he is sitting by himself doing nothing. Not looking at previously plays, not talking to coaches and certainly not encouraging his offense. 
 

If I’m not mistaken, Barkley was encouraging our defense the other game. A new guy on the team on a different side of the ball, giving the defense some motivation. 

7 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Hurts isn’t a leader. He sat on the bench by himself and starred into space when we were down a lot. He never encouraged his line or receivers. After they scored, he finally did. However, most times when things are going poorly, he is sitting by himself doing nothing. Not looking at previously plays, not talking to coaches and certainly not encouraging his offense. 
 

If I’m not mistaken, Barkley was encouraging our defense the other game. A new guy on the team on a different side of the ball, giving the defense some motivation. 

This is the same guy that rather than fight for his job back, took his benching and ran to another team.

He's the same guy he's always been. He suckered a lot of the fanbase, but most of us have caught on.

Far from the worst QB in football, but not nearly good or consistent enough to truly compete for a SB year in and year out. 

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but I would rather start with a new guy (whoever that is) and try than to sit in purgatory.

5 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

I still feel Sirranni is involved in the play calling and this is probably not a true Kellen Moore offense...

You figure he'd have to be involved in the first 15 and the gameplan more broadly, even CEOs have board meetings for these types of things.  I guess, the offense hasn't looked so good out of the blocks... but the injuries, and Jalen looks like he's running with a piano on his back, processing like a commodore 64 and as accurate as the 10-day forecast so that's tough to work around (but that's the job).

13 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Hurts isn’t a leader. He sat on the bench by himself and starred into space when we were down a lot. He never encouraged his line or receivers. After they scored, he finally did. However, most times when things are going poorly, he is sitting by himself doing nothing. Not looking at previously plays, not talking to coaches and certainly not encouraging his offense. 
 

If I’m not mistaken, Barkley was encouraging our defense the other game. A new guy on the team on a different side of the ball, giving the defense some motivation. 

To be fair, Jalen picked up the tablet for the first time in recent memory.  Progress for the half-full types.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

To be fair, Jalen picked up the tablet for the first time in recent memory.  Progress for the half-full types.

Put my in the half-done category. These are things he should have been doing year 2 and 3. He is what he is now….not good enough. 

28 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Add another QB to the list that's clearly better than ours. 

Sucks

I was thinking the same thing. People are always make fun of Cousins because he can’t win a big game, has a noodle arm, not very athletic, always overpaid but there’s no way in the world Hurts could ever throw for 500+ yards against the Bucs. Hurts is a low IQ QB and Cousins is a high IQ QB who can read a defense. We’ve now seen that by watching both QB’s against the Bucs. 

8 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Put my in the half-done category. These are things he should have been doing year 2 and 3. He is what he is now….not good enough. 

I agree - at this point when he and the offense are healthy, he looks like he's in the middle third/ 11-15 of QBs but deviate from that formula and he's in the bottom third certainly bottom half which isn't good enough.  The coaches need to work around these limitations, but that's a tough conversation given the contract they gave him.

21 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I was thinking the same thing. People are always make fun of Cousins because he can’t win a big game, has a noodle arm, not very athletic, always overpaid but there’s no way in the world Hurts could ever throw for 500+ yards against the Bucs. Hurts is a low IQ QB and Cousins is a high IQ QB who can read a defense. We’ve now seen that by watching both QB’s against the Bucs. 

Cousins is a good QB. The biggest knock on him is that he consistently shrinks when the lights are the brightest.

When all is said and done, depending on how he declines/health...the guy will be flirting with 45 to 50K passing yards, 300+ TDs and a better than 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio.

He's definitely no slouch. If you knew the next Eagles QB would have that type of career (minus the choking) I'm pretty confident most would sign up for that.

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

What are the chances it’s just a confidence thing he has to get beyond? He’s not forcing a lot of throws into tight coverage, is that because he’s afraid of the turn over? He’s obviously played well in the past. Stating the obvious, but he and the coaches have to figure that out.

NFL defenses adjust over time to what a QB does best.  Defenses now scheme to limit Hurts' effectiveness in the RPO game and force Hurts to throw the football more efficiently.  It's also quite easy to look at Hurts' passing charts and see that >80% of his throwing tendencies are outside the hashes.  The reason Hurts is throwing so many more interceptions now is because defenses are baiting him and sitting on those throws, and jumping those routes due to his elongated throwing motion.

The top-tier NFL QBs counter-adjust, like Mahomes/Reid did when defenses starting playing two high coverage to take away the long bombs, and Lamar Jackson and the Ravens have adjusted their scheme to send Derrick Henry crashing through the middle of the defense to open more holes for Jackson to run through again.

Hurts hasn't shown the ability yet to counter-adjust.  He needs to get the ball out faster to minimize his fumbling and he needs to keep his eyes up when he leaves the pocket to be able to hit available passing targets on the move. 

For the sports betters here looking for a trend:

Spoiler

 

 

Adjust your bets accordingly

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I was the absolute captain of the Hurts hate train in 2021.  I gladly ate my crow in 2022.  I’m always going to critique mediocre qb play, but I was pretty quiet about Hurts in 2023 after what he did to doubters the year before.

But the biggest reason I was down on him in 2021 was that I felt he combined being a raw non cerebral qb with being a non physically gifted low upside qb.  So what the heck was the point?

And then 2022 happened.  But the more bad games, months, and seasons that stack between the present and 2022, the more I’m starting to believe that it was just an immeasurably stacked offense with an OC that was calling the right number on the first read.

Foles was a traditional pocket qb with a good but not great arm.  But Mcnabb, Wentz, Vick…all much bigger upside guys than Hurts.   But 2022 is what provides that sense of upside for Hurts.

This is a stacked offense when healthy

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Put my in the half-done category. These are things he should have been doing year 2 and 3. He is what he is now….not good enough. 

He is a hard worker though. 

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Since week 1 the answer has been right in front of these dumb arse coaches.  Nothing has changed.

Stop trying to force Hurts into doing what Cousins did last night. It will never, ever happen.

Run the ball, let that open up the downfield game.  That's what will make Hurts look like a top NFL QB again.  Just deal with this reality.

That will help the defense and Fangios dumb scheme as well.  We're not making opponents feel like they need to score quickly.  When a team feels like they can control the clock and take all day to move up the field, it renders this scheme useless.

It's very, very simple. But until the coaches acknowledge this reality, we're screwed.

I’ve been saying this for a little while now that Hurts isn’t "that guy” as far as being a Josh Allen type or doing what Cousins did last night throwing for 500 yards. Or even Dak when he throws for 400 yards. But that would require the coaches, Howie, and Lurie to admit it. I really thought they were on the way to doing it when they signed Saquon. It gave me the thought that they would turn it into a Saquon-centric offense similar to what the Niners did with McCaffrey. And I felt encouraged with what I saw after the first game against Green Bay.
 

But after that it still feels like they’re trying to run the offense through Hurts and the big play. And they’re too stupid to realize that the big plays will come if they play within a better structure. Take a 5 yard check down on 1st and 10. Make Saquon the focal point of the offense so defenses have to focus on him. They’re finding themselves too much in 3rd and long distances and it’s killing their flow.
 

I just want Hurts to be Brock Purdy, I don’t need him being Josh Allen or Mahomes. Be safe and smart with the ball, get rid of it quicker, and get the ball to your playmakers. People rip Purdy because they think he’s just surrounded by Pro Bowlers and his job is easy. Well guess what, Hurts is in the same situation he’s in and he does a worse job of it.  

11 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I’ve been saying this for a little while now that Hurts isn’t "that guy” as far as being a Josh Allen type or doing what Cousins did last night throwing for 500 yards. Or even Dak when he throws for 400 yards. But that would require the coaches, Howie, and Lurie to admit it. I really thought they were on the way to doing it when they signed Saquon. It gave me the thought that they would turn it into a Saquon-centric offense similar to what the Niners did with McCaffrey. And I felt encouraged with what I saw after the first game against Green Bay.
 

But after that it still feels like they’re trying to run the offense through Hurts and the big play. And they’re too stupid to realize that the big plays will come if they play within a better structure. Take a 5 yard check down on 1st and 10. Make Saquon the focal point of the offense so defenses have to focus on him. They’re finding themselves too much in 3rd and long distances and it’s killing their flow.
 

I just want Hurts to be Brock Purdy, I don’t need him being Josh Allen or Mahomes. Be safe and smart with the ball, get rid of it quicker, and get the ball to your playmakers. People rip Purdy because they think he’s just surrounded by Pro Bowlers and his job is easy. Well guess what, Hurts is in the same situation he’s in and he does a worse job of it.  

I would bet every dollar I have he will never turn into Brock Purdy. That’s not in his DNA at all. I’m not even bashing him, he’s just proven every year that’s not the player he is. 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

This is the same guy that rather than fight for his job back, took his benching and ran to another team.

He's the same guy he's always been. He suckered a lot of the fanbase, but most of us have caught on.

Far from the worst QB in football, but not nearly good or consistent enough to truly compete for a SB year in and year out. 

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but I would rather start with a new guy (whoever that is) and try than to sit in purgatory.

So Jalen is Dak but worse. Awesome. 

Gonna go have a drink and try to forget that.

 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I would bet every dollar I have he will never turn into Brock Purdy. That’s not in his DNA at all. I’m not even bashing him, he’s just proven every year that’s not the player he is. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

This is the same guy that rather than fight for his job back, took his benching and ran to another team.

 

I have my criticisms with Hurts but I don’t know about this one. He was never getting that job back from Tua. And as a college player with a limited amount of eligibility, I don’t expect guys to just rot on the bench when they can go elsewhere and start. It was the smart move on his end because it’s what got him drafted in the second round and eventually led to a mega contract. He doesn’t get that if he just wasted away at Alabama behind Tua. 

After the bye week if this offense doesn't look different I'm going to check out on this team pretty quickly. The defense is what it is, I expect it to suck. But if the offense looks the same, I'm way out on this team.

I don't want to hear the excuse that Jalen Hurts can't throw over the middle. That's not a viable excuse. The best offenses throw over the middle. Force him to throw over the middle. Run plays that have most routes run over the middle. Take the choice out of his hands. The Eagles are a cutting edge organization. They typically force everyone within it to adhere to the latest trends and models. So time to implement that with the offense.

I find it hard to believe that a cutting edge organization that obsesses about being ahead of the curve would be cool with running an archaic offense to cater to the QB.

Who knows who's responsible for it, but it needs to get fixed. I want to see a real offense going forward. If not, whoever is responsible for it looking like this needs to be gone after the season.