4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I would bet every dollar I have he will never turn into Brock Purdy. That’s not in his DNA at all. I’m not even bashing him, he’s just proven every year that’s not the player he is. 

Jalen rushed for 784 yards in 2021 and 760 in 2022. Lamar Jackson rushed for 767 yards in 2021 and 764 in 2022. It looks like Jalen is going to have to be more Lamar Jackson than Brock Purdy if he is to be reasonably successful. I'm not a fan of Lamar Jackson style play outside the school yard/play ground/FCS college game but there we are.

10 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen rushed for 784 yards in 2001 and 760 in 2002. Lamar Jackson rushed for 767 yards in 2001 and 764 in 2002. It looks like Jalen is going to have to be more Lamar Jackson than Brock Purdy if he is to be reasonably successful. I'm not a fan of Lamar Jackson style play outside the school yard/play ground/FCS college game but there we are.

It apparent that Jalen needs the running element to be effective, unfortunately as he is slowing down he’s becoming more of a battling ram and taken more hits, more attrition and becoming less productive in this area. Downward spiral, unless he can up his passing game (or has it adjusted for him by the HC/OC).

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

It apparent that Jalen needs the running element to be effective, unfortunately as he is slowing down he’s becoming more of a battling ram and taken more hits, more attrition and becoming less productive in this area. Downward spiral, unless he can up his passing game (or has it adjusted for him by the HC/OC).

Hurts is actually a highly rated passer from the pocket, but he continues to bail too quickly. Now, that could mean his rating from the pocket is inflated -- he only throws from the pocket when the play works and he is in rhythm. 

The simple answer, as has been pointed out, it to go back to more of the 2022 emphasis on establishing the run first and allowing that to open up the passing game. It's almost like the Super Bowl, where Hurts played out of his mind and we didn't rush it well, is still stuck in the coaches minds. 

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

I don't think it's a confidence thing. He's got enough confidence to throw 50/50 balls and they're getting intercepted. Hell, if anything he's overconfident and taking too many risks when theyre not necessary.  

I think it's a lack of familiarity with the offense combined with his own weaknesses as a QB to read defenses and work through progressions. The book was written on him years ago and it's still true. 

IMO, the coaches need to acknowledge reality and play to his strengths which is lean on the running game.  And no, not 27 QB runs--actual handoffs to actual running backs.

 

I know you joined the EMB recently, but we used to literally obsess about pass:run ratio on a weekly basis   Nowadays that conversation is mostly moot, but it doesn't have to get out of control.

As of now, Hurts has 132 pass attempts

As a team they have 120 rushing attempts.  Sounds nice and balanced right?  Unfortunately Saquon has 73, Gainwell has 5, and Hurts has 42. Many of Hurts' runs are scrambles from called passes, and we may as well not have a backup RB. 

Or a 3rd or 4th WR. And we've seen what happens if WR #1 and/or WR#2 become unavailable.

45 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

So Jalen is Dak but worse. Awesome. 

Gonna go have a drink and try to forget that.

 

People don't want to admit it but If Jalen was anything close to Dak this Eagles team would be struggling to find ways to lose games.

33 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I find it hard to believe that a cutting edge organization that obsesses about being ahead of the curve would be cool with running an archaic offense to cater to the QB.

But if the QB you just committed to for at least 2 more years hasn't shown an ability to run anything but that "archaic offense to cater to the QB" the offensive brain trust has to come up with something their Franchise QB can run.

They made it to the SB with a strong run game behind Hurts and controlling the ball. The Eagles need to go back to pounding the rock, and they have one of the best RBs in the league to work with. Running more would hopefully cut down on turnovers. They are averaging 2 turnovers a game right now, that's insane.

2022 Eagles had 5 games with over 200 rushing yards. Hell, one of those games they rushed for 363 yards. They pounded the rock at will with only 2 games that Hurts started where they did not eclipse 100 yards on the ground. 2 other games were started by Minshew with a total of 4 games under 100 yards.

2023 Eagles had 2 such games with over 200 rushing yards, both very early in the season. With 7 games they failed to eclipse 100 yards on the ground, all with Hurts starting.

 

2 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

But if the QB you just committed to for at least 2 more years hasn't shown an ability to run anything but that "archaic offense to cater to the QB" the offensive brain trust has to come up with something their Franchise QB can run.

Not when the offense has disappointed for over a year now. If they were scoring 30ppg, sure. When they're playing like crap it's time to run a modern offense and force the QB to get on board.

If that's even the reason. I'm not sure it is. There's nothing to suggest that Hurts can't make routine throws over the middle. The Brown slant as a staple in 2022.

13 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen rushed for 784 yards in 2001 and 760 in 2002. Lamar Jackson rushed for 767 yards in 2001 and 764 in 2002. It looks like Jalen is going to have to be more Lamar Jackson than Brock Purdy if he is to be reasonably successful. I'm not a fan of Lamar Jackson style play outside the school yard/play ground/FCS college game but there we are.

He's definitely a poor man's Jackson when it comes to running the football; that's not meant to be as much of a knock on him as it sounds -- Jackson is a 2-time NFL MVP.  The main problem is the fact Hurts is injured by the end of pretty much every season.  His body will not age well to that style.

Would you believe Jackson has also been a better passer than Hurts through their careers?

Jackson -- 64.6%, 3,163 yards per season (17-game average), 130 TD to 46 INT

Hurts -- 63.7%, 3,270 yards per season (17-game average), 71 TD to 38 INT

 

Those passing numbers look somewhat similar until you think about who Hurts has been throwing to through most of his career in comparison to Jackson:

 

Hurts ('21 to '23) -- Devonta Smith 240, AJ Brown 194, Goedert 170, Quez 91, Gainwell 86

Lamar ('21 to '23) -- Mark Andrews 225, Bateman 93, Hollywood Brown 91, Duvernay 70, Zay Flowers 77

 

Hurts has had much more stability of personnel and much better talent to work with at outside WR.

Everyone handled last night's game well I see.

24 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Hurts is actually a highly rated passer from the pocket, but he continues to bail too quickly. Now, that could mean his rating from the pocket is inflated -- he only throws from the pocket when the play works and he is in rhythm. 

The simple answer, as has been pointed out, it to go back to more of the 2022 emphasis on establishing the run first and allowing that to open up the passing game. It's almost like the Super Bowl, where Hurts played out of his mind and we didn't rush it well, is still stuck in the coaches minds. 

2022 was heavily based on the RPO and Jalen’s ability to defeat man coverage/blitz by running behind and through it. The RPO seems to be have been schemed out by defenses and has become more risky due to the change in the rules related to OLmen getting downfield. Jalen doesn’t seem to have the wheels any longer to consistently beat defenses either, or it does take a toll on him.

So, yes the 2024 offense needs to be more Saquon-centric punctuated by shot plays that the QB doesn’t need to read out.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Everyone handled last night's game well I see.

Seems as though it was an "eye opener" for some folks.

You know what I miss? An offensive playcaller with a plan and feel for the game. Doug and Steichen weren't perfect, but damn this team would be so much better with either.

This is Sirianni's offense again. Sheil Kapadia cited some stats from the past few games - our motion rate nose-dived to the bottom, our formations shifted back to what they were in 2023.

If this season goes off the rails - and it looks like it might - we're gonna pin it on Sirianni's hands still being on the offense (Only 1 position coach was replaced, Patullo is still here). Fangio has figured out new personnel and a bad start in the past. Sirianni without a star OC running the show? Disaster.

5 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Bc he can read

Need to send Hurts here ASAP.  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Seems as though it was an "eye opener" for some folks.

Yup. Disabused some people of how the 2024 Eagles compare to teams that those Eagles fans have looked down on.

Lol this has been a bit much to read for pages. You guys are acting like he's a bottom 5 QB

38 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

It's almost like the Super Bowl, where Hurts played out of his mind and we didn't rush it well, is still stuck in the coaches minds. 

I wonder if it's stuck in Lurie and Roseman's mind. I can believe that style of play really appealed to Jeffrey and he wants to get that back. Even if opposing defenses have figured out how to blunt it.

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen rushed for 784 yards in 2001 and 760 in 2002. Lamar Jackson rushed for 767 yards in 2001 and 764 in 2002

Damn them boys is old as dirt. 😂.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't want to hear the excuse that Jalen Hurts can't throw over the middle.

He can't, though 

20 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol this has been a bit much to read for pages. You guys are acting like he's a bottom 5 QB

No one thinks he's a bottom 5 QB, but the guy stinks.

He has more offensive talent than arguably anyone in the league and turns it over 30 times a season. 

Cousins just threw 500+ on the same Bucs defense that held us to 0 yards for half of the game with the vaunted receiving group of London, Mooney and Hodge.

Before you or anyone says it, I know we were missing pieces. He still had plenty of talent on the field and does most games in general.

We're definitely getting his first game next week.

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

He can't, though 

He can it's actually one of his better thrown balls.

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

Jalen rushed for 784 yards in 2001 and 760 in 2002. Lamar Jackson rushed for 767 yards in 2001 and 764 in 2002. It looks like Jalen is going to have to be more Lamar Jackson than Brock Purdy if he is to be reasonably successful. I'm not a fan of Lamar Jackson style play outside the school yard/play ground/FCS college game but there we are.

That's ridiculously impressive.  Hurts was 3 and 4 years old those years and Jackson was 4 and 5/  .  

I don't think the problem is the RPO, it's that Hurts hasn't made good decisions with it 

The nature of the RPO means that teams can't really "figure it out"--they just have to pick their battle and stay disciplined.

If they do that, it's incumbent upon the Eagles to take what they're given.  Saquon has had huge runs out of RPOs, the play still works 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He can it's actually one of his better thrown balls.

What's the sample size though? 5 passes in 5 years?

The overwhelming majority of his passes are to the outside. There's a reason for that.

One of the biggest is because he wets his pants and runs to the right constantly.