This team is not good enough to merit any kind of deadline trades. It should be a clear hold from Howie.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

This team is not good enough to merit any kind of deadline trades. It should be a clear hold from Howie.

I wouldn’t say no to Maxx Crosby 

 

Double ET stunt. DE speed rushes and then goes inside while the DT loops outside to contain the edge. Plays like this will open it up more for Huff and Sweat. Look at Huffs explosiveness off the line, he's basically already off the line before anyone else is in their stance.

Carter and Huff do a much better job here than Ojomo and Sweat, but this is a new adjustment.

38 minutes ago, RLC said:

This team is not good enough to merit any kind of deadline trades. It should be a clear hold from Howie.

Biggest move they need to make is firing the clown at HC 

9 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

 

Double ET stunt. DE speed rushes and then goes inside while the DT loops outside to contain the edge. Plays like this will open it up more for Huff and Sweat. Look at Huffs explosiveness off the line, he's basically already off the line before anyone else is in their stance.

Carter and Huff do a much better job here than Ojomo and Sweat, but this is a new adjustment.

I said this on the live thread, Ringo played that expecting inside help. It’s a shame that either DeJean or the S there was a little slow to react which allowed the completion (and one of the only couple of really good plays from Watson)  because had they closed that off, Huff totally dusted his man on that rush

If you are interested in a really good discussion of who's offense this is, go listen to the latest Philly Special podcast.  About halfway through they address what is seen on film.

Summary:

 - Moore's offense is from the same tree/family as Sirianni's.  It wasn't going to be a wholesale makeover.
 - He rattled off about a dozen plays from Sunday that weren't part of the offense last season.  So there is new stuff.
 - The results "feel" the same as last season, so it's easy to say it "looks" the same.

They pointed out the drastic and frustrating absence of under center, play action, and throws over the middle.  Although not making conclusions, they leaned into Hurts being the constant from last season.

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, RLC said:

This team is not good enough to merit any kind of deadline trades. It should be a clear hold from Howie.

Well unless we are the team trading a player away. But no reason to bring anyone in. We are 2 years min away from getting back to a contender so no point in bringing in older assets. 

15 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If you are interested in a really good discussion of who's offense this is, go listen to the latest Philly Special podcast.  About halfway through they address what is seen on film.

Summary:

 - Moore's offense is from the same tree/family as Sirianni's.  It wasn't going to be a wholesale makeover.
 - He rattled off about a dozen plays from Sunday that weren't part of the offense last season.  So there is new stuff.
 - The results "feel" the same as last season, so it's easy to say it "looks" the same.

They pointed out the drastic and frustrating absence of under center, play action, and throws over the middle.  Although not making conclusions, they leaned into Hurts being the constant from last season.

 

 

 

A lot of people don't want to accept that.

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

News to most of us. What's Scoop know that the rest of the world doesn't?

Either way. The rules are don't be critical of a new dad. 

 

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Did he say the same thing for Wentz?

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

- Moore's offense is from the same tree/family as Sirianni's.  It wasn't going to be a wholesale makeover.

Been saying this since the Moore hire was announced.

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Been saying this since the Moore hire was announced.

Was it expected for the offense to make wholesale changes? I think the FO sold the notion that it would be a blend of ideas and offenses but Siri would have major input. I think they wanted someone with similarities so the offense wouldn't have to be that different. This is basically the same offense that made it to the SB 2 years ago.

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A lot of people don't want to accept that.

It doesn't have to be that Hurts refuses to do these things, as it might be he just isn't good at them and the play calling has gravitated away from it towards more effective plays albeit stale ones.  With an analytics-driven approach, it might be very easy to fall back into what works in the short-term vs what will be better in the long-term despite challenges early on (especially while on the hot seat).

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s almost like the intent of PA is to keep the D honest, a novel concept.  Reliance on the RPO and RO just makes them more aggressive.  I know we’ve been talking about scrap this/keep that/use this.  

Huh? Conventional PA and RPO both achieve the same purpose, to bring the defenders closer to the LOS. Framing it as the RPO makes the D "aggressive" while PA keeps them "honest" is nonsensical. In both cases, the idea is to use deception to force defenders out of position.

In PA, you bank on the defenders to take the cheese, but in the event they don't bite as hard, you still have to find someone to pass to. With the RPO, you don't necessarily need the defender to bite as hard, because if they don't, you can still hand it off to the back in real-time as the play develops. The issue with the RPO is that QBs have even less time to find a WR/TE than with conventional PA because of his own OL advancing past the LOS. With PA, you have more time, but you're still on a shortened clock because the PA itself delays the starting point for the when the QB can begin making his reads.

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Get rid of both for now and go traditional.  PA heavy, use the pistol if Hurts is having trouble with our massive OL obscuring views, motivate him to use passing lanes better, get the TE involved and tell him to run when he wants.  Lamar won his only legit MVP leaning on Andrew’s to open up the field for his legs.  Right now it feels like they’re throwing ish against a wall, and instead of using what sticks, they’re collecting what falls and going with that.

There's middle ground which is mesh point play action out of the gun (one example is how an OL would set up to block for an HB draw.) This keeps the OL from marching downfield, keeps the QB's eyes facing forward, but still gives defenders keying on the RB some eye candy to freeze or delay their drops.

One of the reasons why conventional PA has started to fall out of favor in the last 5 or so years is because it forces QBs to turn their backs to the defense and lose precious time trying to decipher what they're seeing. That's not a big deal if your Tom Brady or Peyton Manning who were two of the most cerebral QBs to have ever put on a uniform, but for everyone else, it is less effective on average than using a mesh point out of the gun.

I do agree with your overall point that Hurts isn't as effective running RPOs as he was in 2022. There might be a number of reasons for that, but the results since then speak for themselves so a change needs to be made regardless. Just not sure if conventional PA itself is gonna be the cure for has been ailing us.

 

2 hours ago, paco said:

Ever see a meme and wonder what prompted it so you look it up?

 

So I looked it up.

 

I hate Washington fans more than the next guy but damn....  

 

Anyway, the video went viral and apparently Lamar Jackson liked it 

 

If you watch the last video, you'll see the dude is a serial POS.

Deserves everything coming his way...

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

I do agree with your overall point that Hurts isn't as effective running RPOs as he was in 2022. There might be a number of reasons for that, but the results since then speak for themselves so a change needs to be made regardless. Just not sure if conventional PA itself is gonna be the cure for has been ailing us.

 

We assume that Saquon will be more effective running from snaps under center as he'll get to work up some steam towards the LoS; the downside is that it takes away the RPO element which helps the blocking assignments/creates localized mismatches.  The pistol seems to be the compromise, and they are using it.

9 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Was it expected for the offense to make wholesale changes? I think the FO sold the notion that it would be a blend of ideas and offenses but Siri would have major input. I think they wanted someone with similarities so the offense wouldn't have to be that different. This is basically the same offense that made it to the SB 2 years ago.

When the news broke, quite a few people here thought Moore was gonna come in and change the philosophy of the offense itself. People who bemoaned the longer developing plays and boom/bust nature of the offense under Johnson expected Moore to use more conventional WCO concepts and rhythm passing which he never used much of in Dallas or SD. The main difference between what we saw under Johnson vs Moore was Moore's liberal use of motion but otherwise, the system had more similarities than it had differences.

10 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Do you want to hear another fact?  This team would be 1-4 without Barkley. 

 

The team would be 0-5 without Hurts.

 

12 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We assume that Saquon will be more effective running from snaps under center as he'll get to work up some steam towards the LoS; the downside is that it takes away the RPO element which helps the blocking assignments/creates localized mismatches.  The pistol seems to be the compromise, and they are using it.

I'd say Saquon will almost certiainly be less effective if we take away the threat of Hurts keeping it on RPO/ROs. To what degree is the question, but I don't see him as a Derrick Henry type who needs that forward momentum to be effective.

We've talked about LBs scraping to combat RPOs/ROs, and that we should scrap them entirely because of that with the thinking that running from under center is going to be a boon for him. The problem with this is it assumes DEs/EDGEs are always the ones being unblocked (they aren't) and when they are, that Saquon isn't fast enough to beat them to the hole (he is.) Of course when the unblocked defender blows a play up, we remember that as the reason, but when that extra LB is occupied on the plays when Saquon breaks a big play, we tend to forget the lack of an extra defender on the second level was made possible by that threat at the LOS.

29 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

It doesn't have to be that Hurts refuses to do these things, as it might be he just isn't good at them and the play calling has gravitated away from it towards more effective plays albeit stale ones.  With an analytics-driven approach, it might be very easy to fall back into what works in the short-term vs what will be better in the long-term despite challenges early on (especially while on the hot seat).

Yeah I don't think he refuses. I think he can't.  It's an ability problem rather than an attitude problem. 

 

2 hours ago, paco said:

Ever see a meme and wonder what prompted it so you look it up?

 

So I looked it up.

 

I hate Washington fans more than the next guy but damn....  

 

Anyway, the video went viral and apparently Lamar Jackson liked it 

 

If you watch the last video, you'll see the dude is a serial POS.

Both of those people he attacked looked like:

1.  No more than 5'6" tall

2.  Children under 17

 

Pretty tough guy.

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The team would be 0-5 without Hurts.

5-0 is more like it

 

24 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The team would be 0-5 without Hurts.

I think we maybe beat the Browns with Pickett. No chance vs. GB/NO.