17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

What else is new? He’s due to miss 4 games a year. Another reason the lack of any forward thinking at TE2 has been a huge miss. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What else is new? He’s due to miss 4 games a year. Another reason the lack of any forward thinking at TE2 has been a huge miss. 

Yep - you can count on Goedert to miss at least a quarter of the season every year 

49 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If you are interested in a really good discussion of who's offense this is, go listen to the latest Philly Special podcast.  About halfway through they address what is seen on film.

Summary:

 - Moore's offense is from the same tree/family as Sirianni's.  It wasn't going to be a wholesale makeover.
 - He rattled off about a dozen plays from Sunday that weren't part of the offense last season.  So there is new stuff.
 - The results "feel" the same as last season, so it's easy to say it "looks" the same.

They pointed out the drastic and frustrating absence of under center, play action, and throws over the middle.  Although not making conclusions, they leaned into Hurts being the constant from last season.

 

 

 

Do they define from the 'same tree/family', because I'm struggling to make the connection from their resumes and watching Moore's offense elsewhere. It's also weird to imply that Moore is running his stuff, then point out stuff he isn't doing that he did elsewhere. Are they seriously suggesting Hurts can't handle an offense running lots of pre snap motion as Moore (and Johnson) were known for in the past for example? How would that affect his play at all? He'd have to be mentally subnormal.

If the problem is established as your QB is confused by new concepts and the one time he played at a proper level was when he was familiar with the OC and his scheme from game one of the year, why would you switch OC's 2 years in a row and either expect a different result and / or immediately remove half your offensive concepts at the first sign of trouble rather than take your lumps for the long term good?

To be clear, I'm not even defending Hurts at this point, I don't think he's been nearly good enough this past year, his turnover streak was ridiculous, the offense so far should've been a lot better, but I refuse to believe (because I watched it) that what we ran in 2022 was so revolutionary and new in it's conception, that it bamboozled experienced defensive coordinators throughout the league so much, that they needed a full season of tape to deal with our razzle dazzle, but also then when they did the entire league immediately and simultaneously invented a kryptonite defense to Hurt's weaknesses and Sirianni's entire family of offensive scheme that made it look like dead ass? A defensive antidote to Hurts that by the way, never occurred to the leading defensive minds in the NCAA in Hurts 3 years as college starter.

 

29 minutes ago, RLC said:

I think we maybe beat the Browns with Pickett. No chance vs. GB/NO.

Eagles would be at least 3-2 with average QB play from anybody.  Hurts has been a passenger this season.  He put up 0 points against the Saints until Barkley ripped off a long gallop for a TD, and his lackluster play for 58 minutes against the Falcons was as much to blame for that loss as the defense falling asleep for the last two minutes.

 

7 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Do they define from the 'same tree/family', because I'm struggling to make the connection from their resumes and watching Moore's offense elsewhere.

Not the same tree, as Sirianni is from McCoy/Reich's tree and Moore from Garrett/McCarthy's, but very similar scheme which is a mix of conventional WCO concepts with Air Raid vertical routes (a bit similar to what Reid runs.)

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Do they cut their losses when the possible out for his contract comes up? He gets injured way too much

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Do they cut their losses when the possible out for his contract comes up? He gets injured way too much

He's a free agent after the 2025 season, so I imagine we draft his replacement this Spring.

This doesn't sound good for us

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Do they cut their losses when the possible out for his contract comes up? He gets injured way too much

Goedert?

 

Probably not. There isn't really an "out" with all the restructures they have done. He is only under contract for next year, if they cut him after the season they only save $750k but have over $11M in dead cap Pre-June 1st. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do they cut their losses when the possible out for his contract comes up? He gets injured way too much

He is a FA after 2025 with $24M of dead cap.  Howie may be motivated to do a short extension to kick the can farther down the road.

Either way, they need to bring in his successor soon.

Eagles lead the all time series with the Giants

94-89-2

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do they cut their losses when the possible out for his contract comes up? He gets injured way too much

 

Hea still very valuable.  There aren't a lot of TEs in that league that are also a quality threat in the reciv8ng game and a legitimate blocker in the run game.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Eagles lead the all time series with the Giants

94-89-2

I'm glad they have been a laughing stock the last decade and we were able to take the lead and pad it a bit. They were so annoying in the 2000's. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm glad they have been a laughing stock the last decade and we were able to take the lead and pad it a bit. They were so annoying in the 2000's. 

Our first lead in the series which started in 1933 was in the 2019 season.

9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Eagles lead the all time series with the Giants

94-89-2

26-7 over the last 33 games.

The Giants are another offense that struggles to score 20 points consistently.  Look for another 23-17 type of game.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hea still very valuable.  There aren't a lot of TEs in that league that are also a quality threat in the reciv8ng game and a legitimate blocker in the run game.

When healthy

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Our first lead in the series which started in 1933 was in the 2019 season.

Thankfully before my time, but 1 season above .500 in 16 years... enough for me to really care about hockey.

 

 

They've had plenty of chances to draft Goedert's successor. Just look at these TE classes and the production they've had. 

2023

1	25	BUF	Dalton Kincaid	TE	23	2024	0	0	1	7	7	22	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	94	890	3				Utah	College Stats
2	34	DET	Sam LaPorta	TE	22	2024	0	1	1	9	9	22	0	0	0	0	0	1	4	0	99	1088	11				Iowa	College Stats
2	35	LVR	Michael Mayer	TE	22	2024	0	0	1	3	3	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	31	325	2				Notre Dame	College Stats
2	42	GNB	Luke Musgrave	TE	23	2024	0	0	1	3	3	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	39	374	1				Oregon St.	College Stats
2	58	DAL	Luke Schoonmaker	TE	24	2024	0	0	0	1	1	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	16	121	2	2			Michigan	College Stats
2	61	JAX	Brenton Strange	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	0	0	20	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	18	166	3	1			Penn St.	College Stats
3	78	GNB	Tucker Kraft	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	4	4	23	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	49	586	5	2			South Dakota St.
3	93	PIT	Darnell Washington	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	116	1				Georgia	College Stats
3	101	SFO	Cameron Latu	TE	23		0	0	0																		Alabama	College Stats
5	147	TEN	Josh Whyle	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	17	157	1	2			Cincinnati	College Stats
5	162	IND	Will Mallory	TE	24	2024	0	0	0	2	2	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	19	214	0				Miami (FL)	College Stats
5	171	TAM	Payne Durham	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	19	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	66	0				Purdue	College Stats
5	175	LAR	Davis Allen	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	10	95	1	1			Clemson	College Stats
7	220	NYJ	Zack Kuntz	TE	24	2023	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Old Dominion	College Stats
7	247	SFO	Brayden Willis	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	0	0	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1			Oklahoma	College Stat

2022

2	55	ARI	Trey McBride	TE	22	2024	0	0	2	10	10	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	138	1361	4	7			Colorado St.	College Stats
3	73	IND	Jelani Woods	TE	23	2022	0	0	0	2	2	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	25	312	3	1			Virginia	College Stats
3	80	DEN	Greg Dulcich	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	3	3	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	41	464	2				UCLA	College Stats
3	101	NYJ	Jeremy Ruckert	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	30	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23	191	0	1			Ohio St.	College Stats
4	106	TAM	Cade Otton	TE	23	2024	0	0	2	7	7	39	0	0	0	0	0	1	-4	0	108	1009	7	5			Washington	College Stats
4	112	NYG	Daniel Bellinger	TE	21	2024	0	0	2	5	5	35	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	1	57	543	2	1			San Diego St.	College Stats
4	128	BAL	Charlie Kolar	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	23	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	16	234	2	5			Iowa St.	College Stats
4	129	DAL	Jake Ferguson	TE	23	2024	0	1	1	11	11	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	115	1175	7	1			Wisconsin	College Stats
4	139	BAL	Isaiah Likely	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	8	8	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	84	991	11	3			Coastal Carolina	College Stats
4	143	TEN	Chigoziem Okonkwo	TE	22	2024	0	0	1	9	9	39	0	0	0	0	0	5	8	0	97	1035	5	6			Maryland	College Stats
5	149	WAS	Cole Turner	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	1	1	22	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	143	0	1			Nevada	College Stats
5	170	HOU	Teagan Quitoriano	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	9	146	2	2			Oregon St.	College Stats
5	177	DET	James Mitchell	TE	23	2023	0	0	0	1	1	29	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	141	1				Virginia Tech	College Stats
6	192	IND	Andrew Ogletree	TE	24	2024	0	0	1	1	1	18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	14	203	3	3			Youngstown St.
6	198	PHI	Grant Calcaterra	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	35	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	17	243	0				SMU	College Stats
6	208	PIT	Connor Heyward	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	2	2	40	0	1	0	0	0	3	27	0	39	347	2	5			Michigan St.	College Stats
6	213	ATL	John FitzPatrick	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	0	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	12	0	3			Georgia	College Stats
6	218	TAM	Ko Kieft	TE	24	2024	0	0	1	1	1	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	8	82	2	12			Minnesota	College Stats
7	227	MIN	Nick Muse	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	0	0	14	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	22	0				South Carolina	College Stat

2021

1	4	ATL	Kyle Pitts	TE	20	2024	0	1	3	16	16	50	0	0	0	0	0	1	-4	0	167	2312	7	3			Florida	College Stats
2	55	PIT	Pat Freiermuth	TE	22	2024	0	0	1	13	13	50	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	177	1731	13	2			Penn St.	College Stats
3	81	MIA	Hunter Long	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	0	0	25	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	24	0	2			Boston Col.	College Stats
3	83	CAR	Tommy Tremble	TE	21	2024	0	0	1	4	4	53	0	0	0	0	0	3	11	1	69	607	7	7			Notre Dame	College Stats
3	97	LAC	Tre' McKitty	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	1	1	34	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	16	117	0	2			Georgia	College Stats
4	124	WAS	John Bates	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	4	4	56	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	55	522	2	5			Boise St.	College Stats
4	127	IND	Kylen Granson	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	6	6	51	0	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	74	825	1	8			SMU	College Stats
5	145	JAX	Luke Farrell	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	55	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	29	282	0	3			Ohio St.	College Stats
5	147	HOU	Brevin Jordan	TE	21	2024	0	0	0	4	4	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	53	532	5	1

2020

2	43	CHI	Cole Kmet	TE	21	2024	0	0	4	20	20	73	0	0	0	0	0	7	8	0	237	2407	18	1			Notre Dame	College Stats
3	91	NWE	Devin Asiasi	TE	23	2022	0	0	0	0	0	22	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	44	1				UCLA	College Stats
3	94	GNB	Josiah Deguara	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	4	4	54	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	49	446	2	6			Cincinnati	College Stats
3	101	NWE	Dalton Keene	TE	21	2023	0	0	0	0	0	7	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	16	0				Virginia Tech	College Stats
3	105	NOR	Adam Trautman	TE	23	2024	0	0	2	7	6	66	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	84	877	7	2			Dayton
4	115	CLE	Harrison Bryant	TE	22	2024	0	0	3	7	7	71	0	0	0	0	0	6	16	0	94	836	10	6			Florida Atlantic	College Stats
4	118	DEN	Albert Okwuegbunam	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	5	5	30	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	54	546	4				Missouri	College Stats
4	133	SEA	Colby Parkinson	TE	21	2024	0	0	0	5	5	59	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	76	783	4				Stanford	College Stats
4	136	LAR	Brycen Hopkins	TE	23	2023	0	0	0	2	2	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	196	0	1			Purdue	College Stats
6	190	SFO	Charlie Woerner	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	0	0	71	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	12	124	0	18			Georgia	College Stats
6	206	JAX	Tyler Davis	TE	23	2022	0	0	0	0	0	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	8	61	0	10			Georgia Tech	College Stats
7	251	SEA	Stephen Sullivan	TE	23	2023	0	0	0	1	0	29	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	14	171	0	3

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Thankfully before my time, but 1 season above .500 in 16 years... enough for me to really care about hockey.

Flyers were huge during that period

4 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

TBF, a handful of those weren’t middle of the field passes and most were bombs away highlights.  The thing of note from a lot of these is how the D plays against routes that develop over the middle though.  There is no intermediate middle of the field passing game currently, whether by design, failure to get open, or someone not looking.  What this O needs to succeed is keeping LB’s on their heels and safeties in spots.  Also, Smith and AJ’s ability to track a ball and either position or muscle their way into catches in double and triple coverage is simply amazing. 

TBF, Joyner didn't say all of them went to the middle, he said "look and tell me how many routes sit down or are design in the middle of the field. Opposed to how many are shot plays, and designs outside the has marks!" Plus, my post said help me with the narrative some fans have that Hurts "refuses" to run certain plays.

This is how showing evidence goes on here. "He can't/refuses to throw to the middle of the field!" Show highlight reel of multiple passes to the middle of the field mixed with other successful plays, and the response is "well some of those weren't in the middle." 

Do we break down other team's QBs great throws and dismiss them because the WR made a good play on the ball? Can Hurts get any credit for anything? I've said all year he's mid and has regressed, but damn can the guy get any credit for any good plays?

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

They've had plenty of chances to draft Goedert's successor. Just look at these TE classes and the production they've had. 

2023

1	25	BUF	Dalton Kincaid	TE	23	2024	0	0	1	7	7	22	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	94	890	3				Utah	College Stats
2	34	DET	Sam LaPorta	TE	22	2024	0	1	1	9	9	22	0	0	0	0	0	1	4	0	99	1088	11				Iowa	College Stats
2	35	LVR	Michael Mayer	TE	22	2024	0	0	1	3	3	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	31	325	2				Notre Dame	College Stats
2	42	GNB	Luke Musgrave	TE	23	2024	0	0	1	3	3	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	39	374	1				Oregon St.	College Stats
2	58	DAL	Luke Schoonmaker	TE	24	2024	0	0	0	1	1	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	16	121	2	2			Michigan	College Stats
2	61	JAX	Brenton Strange	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	0	0	20	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	18	166	3	1			Penn St.	College Stats
3	78	GNB	Tucker Kraft	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	4	4	23	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	49	586	5	2			South Dakota St.
3	93	PIT	Darnell Washington	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	116	1				Georgia	College Stats
3	101	SFO	Cameron Latu	TE	23		0	0	0																		Alabama	College Stats
5	147	TEN	Josh Whyle	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	17	157	1	2			Cincinnati	College Stats
5	162	IND	Will Mallory	TE	24	2024	0	0	0	2	2	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	19	214	0				Miami (FL)	College Stats
5	171	TAM	Payne Durham	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	19	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	66	0				Purdue	College Stats
5	175	LAR	Davis Allen	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	10	95	1	1			Clemson	College Stats
7	220	NYJ	Zack Kuntz	TE	24	2023	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Old Dominion	College Stats
7	247	SFO	Brayden Willis	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	0	0	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1			Oklahoma	College Stat

2022

2	55	ARI	Trey McBride	TE	22	2024	0	0	2	10	10	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	138	1361	4	7			Colorado St.	College Stats
3	73	IND	Jelani Woods	TE	23	2022	0	0	0	2	2	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	25	312	3	1			Virginia	College Stats
3	80	DEN	Greg Dulcich	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	3	3	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	41	464	2				UCLA	College Stats
3	101	NYJ	Jeremy Ruckert	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	30	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23	191	0	1			Ohio St.	College Stats
4	106	TAM	Cade Otton	TE	23	2024	0	0	2	7	7	39	0	0	0	0	0	1	-4	0	108	1009	7	5			Washington	College Stats
4	112	NYG	Daniel Bellinger	TE	21	2024	0	0	2	5	5	35	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	1	57	543	2	1			San Diego St.	College Stats
4	128	BAL	Charlie Kolar	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	23	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	16	234	2	5			Iowa St.	College Stats
4	129	DAL	Jake Ferguson	TE	23	2024	0	1	1	11	11	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	115	1175	7	1			Wisconsin	College Stats
4	139	BAL	Isaiah Likely	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	8	8	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	84	991	11	3			Coastal Carolina	College Stats
4	143	TEN	Chigoziem Okonkwo	TE	22	2024	0	0	1	9	9	39	0	0	0	0	0	5	8	0	97	1035	5	6			Maryland	College Stats
5	149	WAS	Cole Turner	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	1	1	22	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	143	0	1			Nevada	College Stats
5	170	HOU	Teagan Quitoriano	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	1	1	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	9	146	2	2			Oregon St.	College Stats
5	177	DET	James Mitchell	TE	23	2023	0	0	0	1	1	29	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	141	1				Virginia Tech	College Stats
6	192	IND	Andrew Ogletree	TE	24	2024	0	0	1	1	1	18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	14	203	3	3			Youngstown St.
6	198	PHI	Grant Calcaterra	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	35	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	17	243	0				SMU	College Stats
6	208	PIT	Connor Heyward	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	2	2	40	0	1	0	0	0	3	27	0	39	347	2	5			Michigan St.	College Stats
6	213	ATL	John FitzPatrick	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	0	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	12	0	3			Georgia	College Stats
6	218	TAM	Ko Kieft	TE	24	2024	0	0	1	1	1	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	8	82	2	12			Minnesota	College Stats
7	227	MIN	Nick Muse	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	0	0	14	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	22	0				South Carolina	College Stat

2021

1	4	ATL	Kyle Pitts	TE	20	2024	0	1	3	16	16	50	0	0	0	0	0	1	-4	0	167	2312	7	3			Florida	College Stats
2	55	PIT	Pat Freiermuth	TE	22	2024	0	0	1	13	13	50	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	177	1731	13	2			Penn St.	College Stats
3	81	MIA	Hunter Long	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	0	0	25	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	24	0	2			Boston Col.	College Stats
3	83	CAR	Tommy Tremble	TE	21	2024	0	0	1	4	4	53	0	0	0	0	0	3	11	1	69	607	7	7			Notre Dame	College Stats
3	97	LAC	Tre' McKitty	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	1	1	34	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	16	117	0	2			Georgia	College Stats
4	124	WAS	John Bates	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	4	4	56	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	55	522	2	5			Boise St.	College Stats
4	127	IND	Kylen Granson	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	6	6	51	0	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	74	825	1	8			SMU	College Stats
5	145	JAX	Luke Farrell	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	1	1	55	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	29	282	0	3			Ohio St.	College Stats
5	147	HOU	Brevin Jordan	TE	21	2024	0	0	0	4	4	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	53	532	5	1

2020

2	43	CHI	Cole Kmet	TE	21	2024	0	0	4	20	20	73	0	0	0	0	0	7	8	0	237	2407	18	1			Notre Dame	College Stats
3	91	NWE	Devin Asiasi	TE	23	2022	0	0	0	0	0	22	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	44	1				UCLA	College Stats
3	94	GNB	Josiah Deguara	TE	23	2024	0	0	0	4	4	54	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	49	446	2	6			Cincinnati	College Stats
3	101	NWE	Dalton Keene	TE	21	2023	0	0	0	0	0	7	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	16	0				Virginia Tech	College Stats
3	105	NOR	Adam Trautman	TE	23	2024	0	0	2	7	6	66	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	84	877	7	2			Dayton
4	115	CLE	Harrison Bryant	TE	22	2024	0	0	3	7	7	71	0	0	0	0	0	6	16	0	94	836	10	6			Florida Atlantic	College Stats
4	118	DEN	Albert Okwuegbunam	TE	22	2023	0	0	0	5	5	30	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	54	546	4				Missouri	College Stats
4	133	SEA	Colby Parkinson	TE	21	2024	0	0	0	5	5	59	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	76	783	4				Stanford	College Stats
4	136	LAR	Brycen Hopkins	TE	23	2023	0	0	0	2	2	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	196	0	1			Purdue	College Stats
6	190	SFO	Charlie Woerner	TE	22	2024	0	0	0	0	0	71	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	12	124	0	18			Georgia	College Stats
6	206	JAX	Tyler Davis	TE	23	2022	0	0	0	0	0	39	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	8	61	0	10			Georgia Tech	College Stats
7	251	SEA	Stephen Sullivan	TE	23	2023	0	0	0	1	0	29	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	14	171	0	3

What do you mean? Albert Okwuegbunam is right there!

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Flyers were huge during that period

Yup - I completely forgot the Flyers made the finals against the Blackhawks, I been kind of tuned out since the Lindros era.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

TBF, Joyner didn't say all of them went to the middle, he said "look and tell me how many routes sit down or are design in the middle of the field. Opposed to how many are shot plays, and designs outside the has marks!"

This is how showing evidence goes on here. "He can't/refuses to throw to the middle of the field!" Show highlight reel of multiple passes to the middle of the field mixed with other successful plays, and the response is "well some of those weren't in the middle." 

Do we break down other team's QBs great throws and dismiss them because the WR made a good play on the ball? Can Hurts get any credit for anything? I've said all year he's mid and has regressed, but damn can the guy get any credit for any good plays?

Yeah this notion that the OC isn't installing or refusing to call plays without routes developing over the middle of the field, because Hurts can't/won't make those throws, is absurd. Solely blaming the QB for play design decisions and the route concepts being implemented shows a lack of understanding of how NFL gameplanning and playcalling works.