It's draft day in two of my fantasy basketball money leagues.

Kind of an unofficial holiday in these parts.

5 minutes ago, paco said:

My FanDuel TNF Showdown might be the most boring lineup ever  

Kamara (MVP), Saints D, Broncos D, Nix, Javonte Williams

Yikes.

Well, have a bottle of scotch nearby and laugh about it with the rest of us 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

It's less about refusing to and more about him not being comfortable. The overwhelming majority of his career he has passed the football to the outside. For a short spell, it was to the right. It's not necessarily that he's physically incapable, but I do think it's mental. We can all pinpoint certain plays that did work in that area of the field, but it's disingenuous to pretend like it's common. It isn't. We have multiple years of evidence to support that he, more likely than not, will not target the middle of the field.

If it's coaching that refuses to use the middle of the field then they all need to go and Lurie needs to sell the team for allowing it to happen.

Im obviously one of the forefathers of not being a Hurts guy, but even I gave him credit in '22. I also said prior to the season that he was going to turn it around and play well and I (even last season) gave him credit for being clutch in crunch time.

It's been pointed out before, but where was this amount of support or excuses for Carson Wentz? The guy had an amazing team in 2017, absolutely. Outside of that one season and as his career progressed he had very, very little help and it continued to dwindle. He had some pretty serious injuries. His wide receivers sucked. His career as a passer was pretty damn solid with no where near the support.

On the flip side we have Hurts, who like Wentz, is regressing. Hurts, who unlike Wentz, has been largely gifted with *elite* talent on offense. Hurts who continues to roll right, make dumb decisions, have a fumbling problem and play hero ball. Sound familiar? The difference is he has these stars around him to help bail him out at times.

This is not to say Wentz didn't need to go, wanted to go, etc, because he absolutely did. He had his issues and was injury prone. The fact remains though that the guy was crucified for playing with scrubs and helping us win our first SB and dragging a bunch of nobodies to the playoffs. How'd Hurts look with nobodies on offense, again? Like he didn't even belong on the field.

For what it's worth, the fanbase liked to pile on McNabb too, when he also had squat on offense to work with and is still the best QB in franchise history.

Meanwhile we are now hearing things like:

"Hurts is a dad, he's sleepy!"

"The field was slippery!"

"He only had "one* of the best running backs in the league and only one of his top 15 receivers!"

Enough is enough. Either perform consistently or see your way out. 

This isn't all directed *at* you, either. Just in general.

Thanks.

My original post used the word refused, because there are fans saying he refuses to, he won't run them. Others don't say that point, they (as you did) say that he isn't comfortable or isn't capable. I wanted to call out the distinction and address the narrative that he refuses, meaning he goes rogue and is uncoachable and will not run what his coaches call. I think if that were true, it would be a much bigger organizational problem.

I can buy that he isn't capable of certain things or that he's only done it limited time but mostly. if we're saying the QB limits what the coaches can and will call, that's different than defiance and refusal. But there are people who continually say he "won't" run things or refuses. 

Thank you also for citing the excuse that he is a new dad and hasn't had enough sleep, which I pointed out earlier we don't know is true. There's a rumor that his fiance is pregnant, there's no info online about them having a newborn baby and that comment came from some entertainment gossip twitter account. No Eagles fan has made that excuse for him. Yet, as predicted you're already citing it as an excuse Eagles fans are giving. I understand your main point was to list things that people use as excuses for Hurts, but that's not a legit one. 

Now regarding Wentz, there were these same debates back then too. I recall back then saying that we always have factions of the fanbase about the QB. There are homers and haters of the QB no matter who it is. We went through it with McNabb, Vick, Foles, Wentz and now Hurts. There were even people who were defending Kolb and Bradford. Let's not revise history here: there were fans who defended Wentz with the same excuses (injuries to O line and WRs, coaching, injury/health) and felt he just needed more time to improve. There were other fans who were done with him and complained about his decision making, hero ball, running too much, attitude, saying he isn't a leader and his teammates don't respect him (those sound familiar too?). There were Vick vs Foles debates in 2013 with similar passion. 

I think one of the factors is when the QB has a great stretch or full season and then regresses, then fans are wanting to see the QB/team get back to that level and are trying to figure out why this happened. Is it the WRs? The coordinator? Is the QB mentally shaken because of injury? Is he mentally bothered by them drafting a QB in the 2nd round? (McNabb/Kolb, Wentz/Hurts)? 

Answers are often complex or a combination. I think with Hurts its his performance and its also coaching. The coaches should scheme to his strengths better, and also hold him accountable. Maybe he needs to be benched if he's not performing and turning the ball over. Maybe he needs to see Pickett or McKee run the offense and see if it does better. Analysts are saying the offense looks the same regardless of the coordinator for the last 2 years, except some minor changes and some new plays. Maybe Moore was trying too hard to ease into things and he needs to just call the offense the way he wants. Maybe Siri interferes too much. Maybe it's everything they need a major philosophy shift.

14 minutes ago, paco said:

Shaheed will have surgery on his knee so the Saints might be down to 2 WRs for TNF  

 

Bub Means business 

10 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Bub Means breakout game!

Damnit 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yikes.

Well, have a bottle of scotch nearby and laugh about it with the rest of us 

With the exception of last Friday when schmoopie and I celebrated our 10 year anniversary, I've been dry since 8/1.   So that Means, Bud.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bub Means business 

Wonder if any relation to the 90s Chargers RB Natrone Means

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Wonder if any relation to the 90s Chargers RB Natrone Means

Don't forget our very own Steven Means 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

How does a 26 year old QB, who hasn't had any major injuries just lose a step though? Lamar Jackson is 27, has been beaten up far more than Hurts and doesn't miss a beat, even when he put weight on. It makes no sense for Hurts to have lost a step. He went from a dynamic runner to a QB who can't get around the edge. It's one of the more confusing things.

He seemed to never be the same runner after he had that ankle surgery.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

So what does this tell us?

Some say they are forced to run the offense according to the analytics. Well, the analytics continually show that they are NOT running offense to what is most effective, so that can't be true. (I think they lean on analytics in 4th down situations more than anything).

Some say Hurts refuses to run certain things, which if you believe that means that he knows he is successful at something and yet doesn't want to, which makes no sense.

Others say he is not capable, except the stats show he is capable when he's done it so why don't the coaches do it more and make him? If they see it's effective when he actually does it, why would they call the game in ways that avoid the things he is actually effective at?

Has Moore been trying to blend the old and new too much and needs to just embrace more of the new and get them to do it? 

25 minutes ago, paco said:

Shaheed will have surgery on his knee so the Saints might be down to 2 WRs for TNF  

 

We'll trade them Dotson for a 2nd.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

So what does this tell us?

Some say they are forced to run the offense according to the analytics. Well, the analytics continually show that they are NOT running offense to what is most effective, so that can't be true. (I think they lean on analytics in 4th down situations more than anything).

Some say Hurts refuses to run certain things, which if you believe that means that he knows he is successful at something and yet doesn't want to, which makes no sense.

Others say he is not capable, except the stats show he is capable when he's done it so why don't the coaches do it more and make him? If they see it's effective when he actually does it, why would they call the game in ways that avoid the things he is actually effective at?

Has Moore been trying to blend the old and new too much and needs to just embrace more of the new and get them to do it? 

It could also mean that they just aren't very good following the analytics.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

We'll trade them Dotson for a 2nd.

Was setting it up, curious to see who would knock it down.

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Then why does Ojomo take a mirrored path on the other side?

Ojomo and Sweat may be stunting, but Carter is reading and reacting.

1 minute ago, paco said:

Was setting it up, curious to see who would knock it down.

I gotchu

 

27 minutes ago, paco said:

If Shady did whatever he could to stay but our FO didn't make it happen and Shady was gracious on the way out I'd doubt we'd boo him.  

Signing with the Cowboys or Giants? I'd be surprised if he wasn't booed. Wasn't McNabb booed when he played for the Redskins? Of course, he was pretty deserving of it and wasn't all that gracious.

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yet, as predicted you're already citing it as an excuse Eagles fans are giving. I understand your main point was to list things that people use as excuses for Hurts, but that's not a legit one. 

Sincerely, I was being tongue in cheek with that. I stand by everything else, though.

For what it's worth, I think they collectively all stink. Hurts, Sirianni, etc. I definitely have more to say about Hurts, but believe me Sirianni is as big of a doofus as anyone.

We may never fully get an answer for who's fault any of this is, but I hope we figure it out soon. 

I know there are those (not talking about you) that think people are "haters" just because. There are definitely some, but I believe the majority of us just want to see us play to the level we should be able to play at. 

Let's hope better times are coming, but things look rough as of this moment.

24 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Thanks.

My original post used the word refused, because there are fans saying he refuses to, he won't run them. Others don't say that point, they (as you did) say that he isn't comfortable or isn't capable. I wanted to call out the distinction and address the narrative that he refuses, meaning he goes rogue and is uncoachable and will not run what his coaches call. I think if that were true, it would be a much bigger organizational problem.

I can buy that he isn't capable of certain things or that he's only done it limited time but mostly. if we're saying the QB limits what the coaches can and will call, that's different than defiance and refusal. But there are people who continually say he "won't" run things or refuses. 

Thank you also for citing the excuse that he is a new dad and hasn't had enough sleep, which I pointed out earlier we don't know is true. There's a rumor that his fiance is pregnant, there's no info online about them having a newborn baby and that comment came from some entertainment gossip twitter account. No Eagles fan has made that excuse for him. Yet, as predicted you're already citing it as an excuse Eagles fans are giving. I understand your main point was to list things that people use as excuses for Hurts, but that's not a legit one. 

Now regarding Wentz, there were these same debates back then too. I recall back then saying that we always have factions of the fanbase about the QB. There are homers and haters of the QB no matter who it is. We went through it with McNabb, Vick, Foles, Wentz and now Hurts. There were even people who were defending Kolb and Bradford. Let's not revise history here: there were fans who defended Wentz with the same excuses (injuries to O line and WRs, coaching, injury/health) and felt he just needed more time to improve. There were other fans who were done with him and complained about his decision making, hero ball, running too much, attitude, saying he isn't a leader and his teammates don't respect him (those sound familiar too?). There were Vick vs Foles debates in 2013 with similar passion. 

I think one of the factors is when the QB has a great stretch or full season and then regresses, then fans are wanting to see the QB/team get back to that level and are trying to figure out why this happened. Is it the WRs? The coordinator? Is the QB mentally shaken because of injury? Is he mentally bothered by them drafting a QB in the 2nd round? (McNabb/Kolb, Wentz/Hurts)? 

Answers are often complex or a combination. I think with Hurts its his performance and its also coaching. The coaches should scheme to his strengths better, and also hold him accountable. Maybe he needs to be benched if he's not performing and turning the ball over. Maybe he needs to see Pickett or McKee run the offense and see if it does better. Analysts are saying the offense looks the same regardless of the coordinator for the last 2 years, except some minor changes and some new plays. Maybe Moore was trying too hard to ease into things and he needs to just call the offense the way he wants. Maybe Siri interferes too much. Maybe it's everything they need a major philosophy shift.

Eh to be fair... Wentz at least was able to do something with trash cans at WR

Hurts first lost his #1 but still had Smith, Goedert, Dotson, Barkley, etc.

Then Hurts lost Smith but he still had Goedert, Dotson, Barkley, etc.

Then he gets everyone back against the Browns and they squeak out 20pts

Hurts has an insanely talented offense. We just expect more from him and the coaches

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Eh to be fair... Wentz at least was able to do something with trash cans at WR

Hurts first lost his #1 but still had Smith, Goedert, Dotson, Barkley, etc.

Then Hurts lost Smith but he still had Goedert, Dotson, Barkley, etc.

Then he gets everyone back against the Browns and they squeak out 20pts

Hurts has an insanely talented offense. We just expect more from him and the coaches

I agree that with this offensive roster, it should be a dominant offense. I think both coaching and Hurts performance are to blame.

We're always wondering who is really in charge, does Lurie meddle, are they too driven by analytics, is Siri interfering too much, was the SB because of Reich or Doug or a combo, there are always questions for this team for some reason.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I agree that with this offensive roster, it should be a dominant offense. I think both coaching and Hurts performance are to blame.

We're always wondering who is really in charge, does Lurie meddle, are they too driven by analytics, is Siri interfering too much, was the SB because of Reich or Doug or a combo, there are always questions for this team for some reason.

Well it doesn't help when they say one thing and do another

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I agree that with this offensive roster, it should be a dominant offense. I think both coaching and Hurts performance are to blame.

We're always wondering who is really in charge, does Lurie meddle, are they too driven by analytics, is Siri interfering too much, was the SB because of Reich or Doug or a combo, there are always questions for this team for some reason.

#CompetitiveAdvantage 

 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Oren Burks gonna make it all right

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

#CompetitiveAdvantage 

Never let em know your next move!

 

Jalyx Hunt  can’t hurt you be rotated in