3 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Jalyx Hunt  can’t hurt you be rotated in

Looks like picks 1 & 2 in the draft are going to be good to great….might be time to find out about pick #3…

I see Alim McNeil signed a monster contract.  Would have been nice to draft him instead of Williams like Tom Donahoe wanted.  Might not have needed to draft Jordan Davis the next year.  I look at Milton Williams as a JAG.  I don't think the Eagles extend him.  Some team will overpay similar to the Titans and Dillard although Williams is a superior football player to Dillard although that is not saying much.

6 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

I see Alim McNeil signed a monster contract.  Would have been nice to draft him instead of Williams like Tom Donahoe wanted.  Might not have needed to draft Jordan Davis the next year.  I look at Milton Williams as a JAG.  I don't think the Eagles extend him.  Some team will overpay similar to the Titans and Dillard although Williams is a superior football player to Dillard although that is not saying much.

Yeah, but they got Milton Williams AND Tarron Jackson out of that deal!!!

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Am I really though?  They scored 17, 18, 15, 13, 16 (9 offensively) and then 16 (9 offensively).   This is who the Browns have been all year.  They are not good.  They are the 3rd lowest scoring team in the NFL.

And this was the 3rd of 3 straight road games playing against a team coming off a bye.  The Eagles defense didn't do much of anything special besides letting Watson be the pathetic version of himself that he has become.  

I didn't see anything that impressive, even after they were forced to put in their 3rd string C and shuffle their OL.  

Add in the fact that for the 3rd time in 5 games, they also forced no turnovers.

2 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Signing with the Cowboys or Giants? I'd be surprised if he wasn't booed. Wasn't McNabb booed when he played for the Redskins? Of course, he was pretty deserving of it and wasn't all that gracious.

McNabb actually did get cheered when he was introduced as a Redskin.

8 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Huh? Conventional PA and RPO both achieve the same purpose, to bring the defenders closer to the LOS. Framing it as the RPO makes the D "aggressive" while PA keeps them "honest" is nonsensical. In both cases, the idea is to use deception to force defenders out of position.

In PA, you bank on the defenders to take the cheese, but in the event they don't bite as hard, you still have to find someone to pass to. With the RPO, you don't necessarily need the defender to bite as hard, because if they don't, you can still hand it off to the back in real-time as the play develops. The issue with the RPO is that QBs have even less time to find a WR/TE than with conventional PA because of his own OL advancing past the LOS. With PA, you have more time, but you're still on a shortened clock because the PA itself delays the starting point for the when the QB can begin making his reads.

There's middle ground which is mesh point play action out of the gun (one example is how an OL would set up to block for an HB draw.) This keeps the OL from marching downfield, keeps the QB's eyes facing forward, but still gives defenders keying on the RB some eye candy to freeze or delay their drops.

One of the reasons why conventional PA has started to fall out of favor in the last 5 or so years is because it forces QBs to turn their backs to the defense and lose precious time trying to decipher what they're seeing. That's not a big deal if your Tom Brady or Peyton Manning who were two of the most cerebral QBs to have ever put on a uniform, but for everyone else, it is less effective on average than using a mesh point out of the gun.

I do agree with your overall point that Hurts isn't as effective running RPOs as he was in 2022. There might be a number of reasons for that, but the results since then speak for themselves so a change needs to be made regardless. Just not sure if conventional PA itself is gonna be the cure for has been ailing us.

 

Traditionally, yes they can achieve the same thing.  IN this O…no, with no legit PA’s being called it’s an easy read and play for the LB or DE.  Hurts is up and down on RPO, and sometimes seems confused on the read and hesitates (illegal man downfield).  If Saquon wasn’t Saquon there would be zero respect for the RO IMO. I perhaps should have used more words.

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

It's finally going to click this time. Pro Bowl incoming.

Even if he was on the field every offensive snap he probably wouldn't see a target anyway. 

12 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Traditionally, yes they can achieve the same thing.  IN this O…no, with no legit PA’s being called it’s an easy read and play for the LB or DE.  Hurts is up and down on RPO, and sometimes seems confused on the read and hesitates (illegal man downfield).  If Saquon wasn’t Saquon there would be zero respect for the RO IMO. I perhaps should have used more words.

Both will draw or keep defenders in the box. If you're trying to say conventional PA doesn't make defenders more "aggressive" then what do you think the point of it is?

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yeah, but they got Milton Williams AND Tarron Jackson out of that deal!!!

He's been Tarron it up in the NFL.

Wait, what?

6 hours ago, NOTW said:

That's what I'm wondering.

If other teams can "figure out" Hurts and the way the offense ran in 2022...then what are other successful teams doing? Serious question because I only casually watch some other teams. Are other teams changing things enough from year to year that defenses can't figure them out? Are Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, etc. doing vastly different things from year to year, or do they still have the same skill set and run the same things? Are the coaches tweaking and adjusting things to disguise them with certain looks, motion, etc to keep the defense guessing?

So to me that would point to coaching, not Hurts. If the NFL has "figured out" how to defend Hurts, what are the coaches doing to scheme differently? We know they are not using motion or play action. The narrative some fans have is that Hurts doesn't want to, even refuses to run these things which I find hard to believe.

We are going to continue to have this convo all year, revolving back and forth shifting blame unless the ship turns around.  More than likely next season we will get our answer when our new HC is here.  Coaching is for sure not putting the players in the best position to succeed.

 

Calcaterra becomes a dominate TE in the NFL in the absence of Goedert.

Somebody prove me wrong.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

#CompetitiveAdvantage 

I think it started with Chip or Doug but it's been annoying

16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Both will draw or keep defenders in the box. If you're trying to say conventional PA doesn't make defenders more "aggressive" then what do you think the point of it is?

The conventional PA opens more of the field.  For as much as the ball is chucked downfield or long developing plays are used in this O.  Almost every deep throw has 2-3 defenders near or around the ball.  So much of the O right now seems to be running in reverse.  

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

The conventional PA opens more of the field.  For as much as the ball is chucked downfield or long developing plays are used in this O.  Almost every deep throw has 2-3 defenders near or around the ball.  So much of the O right now seems to be running in reverse.  

And a scraping LB literally at the LOS doesn't?

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And a scraping LB literally at the LOS doesn't?

Sometimes i swear you like to argue to argue, does the play action not help the intermediate and deep game? 

44 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Calcaterra becomes a dominate TE in the NFL in the absence of Goedert.

Somebody prove me wrong.

If he could get the blocking down, he certainly has a chance to become something, imo. 

10 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Sometimes i swear you like to argue to argue, does the play action not help the intermediate and deep game? 

I never said it didn't help. In my previous post I already said they both draw defenders up to the LOS which obviously opens up space behind them. It was your framing that said the RPO kept the defense "aggressive",  implying that conventional PA didn't. That doesn't make any sense. Not sure if you were confusing RPOs with ROs or what.

 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Alright forget what I wrote before. Re-sign him. 

12 hours ago, paco said:

I hope he’s putting in more work (gym, film) than the practice schedule…. 
 

Congrats BTW.  Boy? Girl?
 

This however is balls on accurate. They likely have night nurses.  

Thanks, I say new but he's 9 months now lol my first born

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Even if he was on the field every offensive snap he probably wouldn't see a target anyway. 

They don't call him Alex "O" for nothin'!

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I think it started with Chip or Doug but it's been annoying

It was Chip.  Chip is why they ended TC at Lehigh, why they started to limit access for the beat writers, etc.  He only had 4 plays, so I guess it made sense.

 

Hopefully he’s ok