25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

My thing is... why not? Why can't he return to that? He has even more tools than he did then with the exception of losing Kelce

I didn’t think he was a top 5 Qb talented prospect when we got him. I thought his ceiling was 10-15. I hope in the end this is untrue, but at the rate we are going 2022 is the outlier in the data 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t think he was a top 5 Qb talented prospect when we got him. I thought his ceiling was 10-15. I hope in the end this is untrue, but at the rate we are going 2022 is the outlier in the data 

When he was drafted, they had just signed  Wentz to a big contract and it was a head scratcher. People assumed he would be a Taysom Hill gadget trick play QB. Doug was asked about it in the interview on draft night and he said something to the effect of yes they could use him that way. And then they did, they tried doing that in some games. Most fans didn't think much of Hurts in the beginning. A small number of fans thought he would be good in his first year starting, most fans were very critical of him and said he'll never be good.

Then 2022 happened.

Players have good seasons or good stretches and then regress, get "figured out," or it was just the right combination. I really wish we could have seen what it would have been like with Steichen for another year to see how that would have played out. We've seen other players around the league start out doing well or have one successful season and then fizzle out. It happens. Which is why they shouldn't give huge contracts to QBs after one good season. I hope the NFL trends away from that and more teams draft QBs and then if they prove it consistently they get the big contract. Too many teams handcuff themselves to a QB with a giant contract.

Anyway, Hurts played at such a high level in 2022 that it gives fans hope he could get there again. This offensive roster is stacked and should be the #1 or #2 offense in the league. Hurts is playing at a middle of the pack level. A simple game manager QB should be able to execute with these playmakers. Blame Hurts, blame Moore, blame Siri, blame whoever but the group of them should be able to figure out how to make this thing work. 

I say if the problem truly is Hurts, then Moore and Siri should run the offense they want to run and it will expose him. If he plays that bad, bench him and see if a backup can execute the offense. That would settle it.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t think he was a top 5 Qb talented prospect when we got him. I thought his ceiling was 10-15. I hope in the end this is untrue, but at the rate we are going 2022 is the outlier in the data 

Yeah I think 2022 was very much that outlier. Hurts was in a system that brought out the best in him and at the same time he hit a purple patch. The rest of his NFL career suggests he’s not capable of being a top 5 QB. In fact at this point I’d take him getting anywhere near the top 10.

Carter not practicing today

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I think 2022 was very much that outlier. Hurts was in a system that brought out the best in him and at the same time he hit a purple patch. The rest of his NFL career suggests he’s not capable of being a top 5 QB. In fact at this point I’d take him getting anywhere near the top 10.

2022 Hurts threw for 247 yards a game with a largely healthy offense. This year he is at 239 yards a game while the offense has dealt with way more injuries. He is running less (about 10 fewer rushing yards a game) but that's what they signed Barkley for. 

So I am just really confused how you arrive at the conclusion that we may never see 2022 Hurts again when, aside from the turnovers, we are seeing 2022 Hurts. 

 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

2022 Hurts threw for 247 yards a game with a largely healthy offense. This year he is at 239 yards a game while the offense has dealt with way more injuries. He is running less (about 10 fewer rushing yards a game) but that's what they signed Barkley for. 

So I am just really confused how you arrive at the conclusion that we may never see 2022 Hurts again when, aside from the turnovers, we are seeing 2022 Hurts. 

 

How many points a game? Since points win games.

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

How many points a game? Since points win games.

A lot of factors goes into points. But we are averaging more yards per drive this year than in 2022.

But if you want to only measure qbs by points scored, Watson had a decent game Sunday. 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A lot of factors goes into points. But we are averaging more yards per drive this year than in 2022.

But if you want to only measure qbs by points scored, Watson had a decent game Sunday. 

You usually measure offenses by points.

I have no clue what Watson has anything to do with this, but he contributed 9 points for their offense which isn't decent by any stretch for a $200+ million QB.

2022 was the outlier for Hurts, and the offense has been nowhere near as good since then. They have gotten significantly worse in their redzone efficiency, and struggle to score points.

14 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

2022 Hurts threw for 247 yards a game with a largely healthy offense. This year he is at 239 yards a game while the offense has dealt with way more injuries. He is running less (about 10 fewer rushing yards a game) but that's what they signed Barkley for. 

So I am just really confused how you arrive at the conclusion that we may never see 2022 Hurts again when, aside from the turnovers, we are seeing 2022 Hurts. 

 

You can’t go on YPG though bud! There’s a lot of factors at work there. I don’t think he can get back to that level because the overwhelming evidence is that he can’t and 2022 was a one off. I’m not really sure how you think otherwise? He’s turning the ball over with regularity and he’s not making the big important plays that he did in 2022.

19 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

How many points a game? Since points win games.

Tbh the turnovers and fumbles are an big issue to me. He has 5 fumbles (lost 3) and 4 ints. Means he’s on pace for 17 fumbles and 14 ints. In 2022 he had 6 ints and 9 fumbles (2 lost). The middle of the field usage is either on sirianni/moore or hurts depending on what you want to believe. 

Our HoF caliber RT agrees the offense is stagnant, but yeah Hurts is in MVP form and we're taking the league by storm.

Lane Johnson is clueless!

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Carter not practicing today

Don't kill my buzz man

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Our HoF caliber RT agrees the offense is stagnant, but yeah Hurts is in MVP form and we're taking the league by storm.

Lane Johnson is clueless!

#ConstipationNation

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A lot of factors goes into points. But we are averaging more yards per drive this year than in 2022.

But if you want to only measure qbs by points scored, Watson had a decent game Sunday. 

Who needs stats, go with the old school eye test. 

 

Oh the Eye test shows Hurts is a big bag of poo 💩

 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh the turnovers and fumbles are bigger issue to me. He has 5 fumbles (lost 3) and 4 ints. Means he’s on pace for 17 fumbles and 14 ints. In 2022 he had 6 ints and 9 fumbles (2 lost). The middle of the field usage is either on sirianni/moore or hurts depending on what you want to believe. 

Yes, but it all culminates into points. Turnovers take potential points off the board, especially when they are within the opponents 40, only using 2/3rds of the field makes it easier for defenses to defend, etc.

I have no idea what Hurts' usage of the middle of the field was in 22, but if they were in the lower 3rd of the league, that might be a good indicator.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Stop telling me this trash is Siri's offense. 

Some coaches do better as coordinators than head coaches, it happens a lot. If Siri's role before was designing plays in the meeting room but not calling plays on gameday, he was not used to that live pressure. 

People for some reason never remember 2021 when the offense looked different when Siri was calling plays vs when Steichen took over. Siri began 2021 calling the plays. Fans were upset with him for not running the ball enough, the offense wasn't efficient and struggling. The first half of the season they were 3-6.

Siri handed play calling duties to Steichen halfway through the season and they performed better and finished the rest of the season 6-2 and made the playoffs. Steichen's success continued in 2022 leading to their best season.

Steichen left, and the last 2 years have been the same regardless of coordinator. I'd like to see Moore fully run the offense his way, so we can find out if the problem truly is Hurts then trade him while he has value. Or bench Hurts and see how a backup runs the offense. Otherwise it will continue to be a guessing game of who's to blame. 

 

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Yes, but it all culminates into points. Turnovers take potential points off the board, especially when they are within the opponents 40, only using 2/3rds of the field makes it easier for defenses to defend, etc.

I have no idea what Hurts' usage of the middle of the field was in 22, but if they were in the lower 3rd of the league, that might be a good indicator.

Believe his middle of the field usage was much higher. Want to say it was middle of the pack in 2022 not bottom 1/3. But i don’t remember what it was exactly. Just vaguely remember it was a big jump from 2021 

27 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

2022 Hurts threw for 247 yards a game with a largely healthy offense. This year he is at 239 yards a game while the offense has dealt with way more injuries. He is running less (about 10 fewer rushing yards a game) but that's what they signed Barkley for. 

So I am just really confused how you arrive at the conclusion that we may never see 2022 Hurts again when, aside from the turnovers, we are seeing 2022 Hurts. 

 

Bro come on 

Eagles defense gave up over 600 yards in SB 52. How many points did the other team have?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Believe his middle of the field usage was much higher. Want to say it was middle of the pack in 2022 not bottom 1/3. But i don’t remember what it was exactly. Just vaguely remember it was a big jump from 2021 

So, Hurts was highly successful at things in 2022 that put him in contention for MVP behind Mahomes...

...then he spent the offseason watching film and preparing and said, nah I don't like doing those things anymore I don't want to do them I don't care what the coaches call?

I could see if he truly never did them but if he did them before and had great success, it doesn't make sense he would simply not want to do it.

26 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A lot of factors goes into points. But we are averaging more yards per drive this year than in 2022.

But if you want to only measure qbs by points scored, Watson had a decent game Sunday. 

Doesn't that just mean Hurts is throwing deep balls more?

6 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Eagles defense gave up over 600 yards in SB 52. How many points did the other team have?

33

Freemasons

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

So, Hurts was highly successful at things in 2022 that put him in contention for MVP behind Mahomes...

...then he spent the offseason watching film and preparing and said, nah I don't like doing those things anymore I don't want to do them I don't care what the coaches call?

I could see if he truly never did them but if he did them before and had great success, it doesn't make sense he would simply not want to do it.

Idk but when a player particularly Qb gets paid like he did then probably get a lot more power and say. 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

It really is strange that Hurts' passing stats in 2022 and 2024 are pretty similar despite the fact that the offense has been way more injured this year, and yet no one was complaining then (according to you) but people should be complaining now, because of...reasons.

Completion percentage, 66.5, 67.5, yards per game, 248, 236, yards per attempt, 8, 7.6.

The only glaring difference is turnovers. Which everyone agrees, he should cut down on.

Also, the defense made things a lot easier for the offense in 2022. If anything, Hurts is better now.

Honest question:

Did you watch the team in 2022?

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

So, Hurts was highly successful at things in 2022 that put him in contention for MVP behind Mahomes...

...then he spent the offseason watching film and preparing and said, nah I don't like doing those things anymore I don't want to do them I don't care what the coaches call?

I could see if he truly never did them but if he did them before and had great success, it doesn't make sense he would simply not want to do it.

I think it's interesting prior to the 2022 season, Hurts was supposedly working with Tom House, but hasn't since. Why?

Similarly prior to 2017, Wentz worked out in the off season with Dedeaux, had the best year of his career, and then hasn't since. Why?