8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Looks like he’s improving 

4 minutes ago, shlo said:

Davis is at best a rotational guy right now. He's not even solid starter level.

 

Dean is bad. The only thing he can do is attack the line of scrimmage. He got two sacks on well designed blitzes. Reminds me of Morrow getting 3 sacks in a game last year. Kills me to watch Leo Chenal, who I liked much better and was drafted after Dean, actually play good football for the Chiefs.

How much of that is scheme related?   Spags is a top 3 DC in the league right now.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The reason the team is less interested in doing that is that it does involve changing two positions on the line.  That's far from ideal.  BUT... since they were forced to throw Steen in yesterday, that already happened... and so putting Becton back in the lineup at LT won't create another ripple effect.   

 

That said, are we sure that Becton is ready to flip sides and slide out to tackle?   Did he work at OT during TC at all?  

That's my biggest question. He flopped as a tackle when he's out there on his own. He's "protected" on both sides lining up at RG and that helps him a lot IMO. And yea, to your point, they really don't like weakening 2 positions but yeah it already happened with Becton getting hurt. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It very much did, and in my mind, would have been an excellent call to get the ball to Barkley to add the exclamation point on that drive, since he set it up with that beautiful long run.  So, as I was watching it live, it seemed to me that he should have been the first read... the formation, the defensive alignment... everything was pointing to that as the best option on the initial read, and as the play developed, it just bloomed perfectly for an easy pitch and catch walk in TD.  Other teams get those... but for some reason, this team can't seem to do it.    And as your other post asked... is it the scheme or the QB.    Clearly the scheme worked perfectly to create a wide open receiver.  So, that leads one to believe that its more on the QB.

 

As for the idea that the RB should have feigned blocking for a beat longer... with the pass rush we saw early from the Giants and the inability of Fred Johnson to slow them down at times... maybe he didn't have the confidence that doing so would have allowed time for that to develop.   I don't know.   That play just made me so sad... just like the 3rd and 3 crosser to Smith made me sad.  Schemed perfectly to get exactly what the team wanted, and the QB failed to execute it even though he was looking right at it.

This will be scarred into my memory for quite a while, Hurts was staring Smith down too with plenty of room to make the toss.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How much of that is scheme related?   Spags is a top 3 DC in the league right now.

Well Chenal can actually cover people so that alone is a big difference between him and Dean. 

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Morning after thoughts…

Yesterday was a win, a very convincing one at that.  Yet, I can’t still help but feel like I still don’t enjoy watching the Eagles team.  Is it carryover from last year?  Irrational? I’m not quite sure…

The traditional juggernauts are struggling as well this year.  Whether it’s injuries or inconsistent play.  In the grand scheme, how does the Eagles play compare to that?

We should all be happy on the surface with a 4-2 record.  The defense seems to be clicking, new pieces are stepping up.  The problem still seems to be the offense, where the only consistency is, when we run we dominate.  Another week of ‘is it the QB or the coaching’ is upon us.

A lot of self-inflicted angst here. 

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Morning after thoughts…

Yesterday was a win, a very convincing one at that.  Yet, I can’t still help but feel like I still don’t enjoy watching the Eagles team.  Is it carryover from last year?  Irrational? I’m not quite sure…

The traditional juggernauts are struggling as well this year.  Whether it’s injuries or inconsistent play.  In the grand scheme, how does the Eagles play compare to that?

We should all be happy on the surface with a 4-2 record.  The defense seems to be clicking, new pieces are stepping up.  The problem still seems to be the offense, where the only consistency is, when we run we dominate.  Another week of ‘is it the QB or the coaching’ is upon us.

Hurts threw the ball 14 times ran the ball well, and sat for much of the 4th quarter. At one point in the game I think he had a 90% completion percentage. The problem is their opening drive scripts and OL going down. Hurts will never be perfect (nor is any qb for that matter). Does he miss passes at times... sure. Most QBs do. I'm just glad he didn't turn the ball over. If he protects the ball, the Eagles always have a shot.

Just now, judunno said:

Hurts threw the ball 14 times and sat for much of the 4th quarter. At one point in the game I think he had a 90% completion percentage. The problem is their opening drive scripts and OL going down. Hurts will never be perfect (nor is any qb for that matter). Does he miss passes at times... sure. Most QBs do. I'm just glad he didn't turn the ball over. If he protects the ball, the Eagles always have a shot.

I’d agree! Hurts isn’t elite and I don’t think he’s ever going to be. But give him that OL and the weapons he’s not and he can be good enough to win regularly in the NFL. We know he can because he has. When he needed to make throws yesterday he did so well and without putting the ball in any danger of being picked.

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

Hurts threw the ball 14 times and sat for much of the 4th quarter. At one point in the game I think he had a 90% completion percentage. The problem is their opening drive scripts and OL going down. Hurts will never be perfect (nor is any qb for that matter). Does he miss passes at times... sure. Most QBs do. I'm just glad he didn't turn the ball over. If he protects the ball, the Eagles always have a shot.

That is certainly a big step. But he still needs to be better in order to beat the good teams. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I’d agree! Hurts isn’t elite and I don’t think he’s ever going to be. But give him that OL and the weapons he’s not and he can be good enough to win regularly in the NFL. We know he can because he has. When he needed to make throws yesterday he did so well and without putting the ball in any danger of being picked.

Seems like the OL going down changed their attack. Probably for the better because they committed to a run game that the Giants couldn't stop. I'm also glad that they got out of there with a convincing win and could sit the starters early to get off of that horrid field.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That is certainly a big step. But he still needs to be better in order to beat the good teams. 

If he protects the ball I'm absolutely sure he can beat good teams. He's proven this already. He's done it in the past. That's his biggest flaw that kills games against the better teams. I still think this offense is enamored with the big plays that are usually low percentage and risky because of how long they develop. We saw them go our way two weeks in a row with AJ Brown. However, that's not sustainable.

7 minutes ago, judunno said:

If he protects the ball I'm absolutely sure he can beat good teams. He's proven this already. He's done it in the past. That's his biggest flaw that kills games against the better teams. I still think this offense is enamored with the big plays that are usually low percentage and risky because of how long they develop. We saw them go our way two weeks in a row with AJ Brown. However, that's not sustainable.

We have beat good teams WITH him turning it over. Because he was still making enough good plays to win. He hasnt played at that level, turn overs, or not, in quite a while.

Yesterday, he still wasnt close to good enough. His stats look different than his actual performance. He was bad yesterday. The defense has been improving, but theyre still going to give up points against good teams. And our offense isnt going to be able to hang with Hurts at this level.

12 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m still in wait and see mode on the defense. They did their job against a historically bad browns offense and a bad offense of the giants (eagles last year looked good against rams, tampa bay and dolphins before the big nose dive). I think this next stretch (outside of the jags) of bengals/burrow, Dallas/dak, commanders/daniels, rams/stafford (nacua and kupp healthy) and Baltimore/lamar is going to show us where they truly are. 

I agree.  One difference is that they've been far more aggressive the last two games with press coverage and with blitzing.  Hopefully they continue with that approach even against the better QBs.  Yes, they will get burnt once in a while but I think overall they will be a better D if they are more aggressive.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yesterday, he still wasnt close to good enough.

He was certainly more than good enough yesterday to win the game and that's what he needs to do week in week out and according to the competition.  Some games he is going to need to do more for sure but yesterday wasn't one of those.  He simply needed to not turn the ball over which he did.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I agree.  One difference is that they've been far more aggressive the last two games with press coverage and with blitzing.  Hopefully they continue with that approach even against the better QBs.  Yes, they will get burnt once in a while but I think overall they will be a better D if they are more aggressive.

It also doesnt make much difference "where they truly are". Its not a static situation. It appears they are headed in the right direction. Obviously theyre not going to hold the Bengals to under 200 yards or anything.... but if they can get sacks, get stops, continue blitzing like they have been.... its clear theyre playing better even if we end up seeing some more points on the board next week. All that matters is that they continue to improve between now and the end of the season. 

There will probably be some people pointing at the scoreboard and saying, see I told you the defense was still trash. Thats gonna be BS as long as we continue seeing the same signs of growth that we have seen the last 2 weeks. 

33 minutes ago, shlo said:

Well Chenal can actually cover people so that alone is a big difference between him and Dean. 

I think Dean has shown some improvement in coverage this season.  I don't think we have seen him play to his potential.  

We are one simple Barkley catch of the ball to be 5-1 and in good shape.  Yes, the O needs to find a way to improve and that means a mix of better coaching to fit Hurts and also some improvement by Hurts.  Not sure that will happen but just one nice solid step forward would make a world of difference.  At least, he is staying in the pocket now for the most part and certainly better than last year.  That plus two games without a TO is a good start.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

He was certainly more than good enough yesterday to win the game and that's what he needs to do week in week out and according to the competition.  Some games he is going to need to do more for sure but yesterday wasn't one of those.  He simply needed to not turn the ball over which he did.

yeah. as I said- against better teams. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

It also doesnt make much difference "where they truly are". Its not a static situation. It appears they are headed in the right direction. Obviously theyre not going to hold the Bengals to under 200 yards or anything.... but if they can get sacks, get stops, continue blitzing like they have been.... its clear theyre playing better even if we end up seeing some more points on the board next week. All that matters is that they continue to improve between now and the end of the season. 

There will probably be some people pointing at the scoreboard and saying, see I told you the defense was still trash. Thats gonna be BS as long as we continue seeing the same signs of growth that we have seen the last 2 weeks. 

I agree with this.  With Mitchell and Dejean they really have the opportunity to be much more aggressive and that helps everyone.

28 minutes ago, judunno said:

Hurts threw the ball 14 times ran the ball well, and sat for much of the 4th quarter. At one point in the game I think he had a 90% completion percentage. The problem is their opening drive scripts and OL going down. Hurts will never be perfect (nor is any qb for that matter). Does he miss passes at times... sure. Most QBs do. I'm just glad he didn't turn the ball over. If he protects the ball, the Eagles always have a shot.

I am concerned that he continues to not see the field well and has limited to poor pocked presence.  He's not turned the ball over the last 2 games.  I don't have the concerns that I had initially about his arm talent.  His ability to process what he is seeing is his biggest weakness.  

I saw the same thing on the Barkley play on the replay during the game.  Jalen just playing extremely smart foorball right now.

 

 

1 hour ago, shlo said:

Davis is at best a rotational guy right now. He's not even solid starter level.

 

Dean is bad. The only thing he can do is attack the line of scrimmage. He got two sacks on well designed blitzes. Reminds me of Morrow getting 3 sacks in a game last year. Kills me to watch Leo Chenal, who I liked much better and was drafted after Dean, actually play good football for the Chiefs.

Yea, Davis played 12 snaps yesterday all game. Each game the last 3 games his snaps are getting less and less. He hasn’t played more than 50% since the Saints game. 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

We have beat good teams WITH him turning it over. Because he was still making enough good plays to win. He hasnt played at that level, turn overs, or not, in quite a while.

Yesterday, he still wasnt close to good enough. His stats look different than his actual performance. He was bad yesterday. The defense has been improving, but theyre still going to give up points against good teams. And our offense isnt going to be able to hang with Hurts at this level.

Don't overstate your case. He wasn't bad.  The o-line struggled with protection.  He struggled with his awareness.  He missed 2 wide open throws.  The miss to Devonta is inexplicable.  The miss to Barkley may have been progression related but it's also shows a lack of recognition by him.  He was good enough to win against a bad team.  His mistakes did not lead to turnovers and did not kill scoring chances.  

Look at him compared to Daniel Jones.  It's inarguable that Jones was worse.  If you look around the League, Hurts was better than more than half of the QBs around the League. He had 2 very good plays escaping pressure and getting a first down.  As much as you may want to, the team should not discount his running ability when assessing his value to the team.  

 

 

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I agree with this.  With Mitchell and Dejean they really have the opportunity to be much more aggressive and that helps everyone.

Based on the College highlights, both guys would be high achievers.  Particularly, DeJean has good set of skills to shine in more areas of the game.  His manner is also good.  Excited to see how he develops in the future.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I saw the same thing on the Barkley play on the replay during the game