10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Ben VanSumeren 

Jordan Davis  

 

We can forgive SOME of Davis' low snaps to the fact that they pulled the starters for most of the 4th quarter.   BUT... that's still not good.  It would mean that he played more like 40% (at most) of the 'real' snaps.   That's also not good enough.   He was pulled a lot because they were defending the pass so much given the score.   So, his usefulness diminishes the better the team plays.  Just a ridiculous choice with how all of this has played out, and Donohue looks to be way smarter than Howie going back to that 2021 draft.  Alim McNeill is clearly the better player than either Milton Williams OR Jordan Davis.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

OK, I woke up and chose violence. 

Hurts is reminding me of...Donovan McNabb. There are plays that drive you nuts, and then plays that simply amaze you. The difference is, I think Hurts is clearly more dedicated to improving than McNabb ever was, but McNabb was clearly more physically gifted. And to be clear, I am a McNabb fan.

6 games in to a new offense, we are seeing improvement. Hopefully it continues. 

I do agree with the broader point about the new offense and things getting better, but not seeing the toss for a Barkley walk in Yesterday is hard to defend because it was so obvious, everybody watching that game could see it. It wasn't a fleeting glimpse of an open receiver in slow motion on the all '22 by one of the Monday morning QB pod casts or 'Ned Flanders' Warner, it was Barkley in acres of space highlighted by a ray of sunshine with a 3 second window to make the pass, he has to see that.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

OK, I woke up and chose violence. 

Hurts is reminding me of...Donovan McNabb. There are plays that drive you nuts, and then plays that simply amaze you. The difference is, I think Hurts is clearly more dedicated to improving than McNabb ever was, but McNabb was clearly more physically gifted. And to be clear, I am a McNabb fan.

6 games in to a new offense, we are seeing improvement. Hopefully it continues. 

My biggest complaint with Mcnabb was he always seemed cheery after he did something awful.

Jalen is kind of the opposite. He always looks dour even when we rip momentum away from the opponent. Hype the team up man, don’t pull them out of the moment.

14 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

It's infuriating when I see plays get blown up because Calcaterra can't block. And it's not a one time thing. And you're right about it happening multiple times yesterday. I think it comes down to poor play calling. Sure, a play may look great when you scheme it up. But you also have to account for the person who the "X" on the play design represents. Sure, it's designed for your X to block their O, but if your X is simply incapable of doing so, why even bother to call the play?

Because you call a pass off of the same formation/look later in the game.

32 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It's blatant trolling; the "extremely smart foorball" was a giveaway.

It's not "extremely smart foorball" to stand back there and take 5 sacks when it should have been the first point of emphasis to get the ball out on time and on script against a Giants defense leading the league in sacks.  That 3rd sack he took to Lawrence was absolutely god-awful -- he kept retreating and retreating and running in circles until the pass rush brought him down.  Absolutely no excuse for that from an NFL QB.

He's heading for injury again with those decisions.

ESP and RTK were the giveaways.   

@Wentz_Era & @Iggles_Phan

I've watched the goal line miss to Barkley again from the ESP tweet and it's not as egregious of a mistake as I thought watching live, or at least, it's far less egregious than Hurts missing Smitty on the drag on that 3rd and 2. On the 3rd and 2 play where Kenny runs a wheel, Smitty is almost certainly the 2nd, or at the very least 3rd read, in the progression. Like I'd bet a large sum of money on it based on the play design. The defense is in man and Smitty comes free late, but it should have been anticipated based on the coverage. You can clearly see there's plenty of open space that was vacated by Kenny dragging the defender deep. With a clean pocket and decent protection, Hurts really has gotta come off his primary read quicker to find Smitty there. There's just no excuse for Hurts not pulling the trigger. None. F- play from Hurts.

On the Saquon wheel at the goal line, based on the field position and route concepts, I'd be shocked if Saquon was even the 3rd read (seems like he's 4th in the progression but I'm not as sure). What's very clear is that he's definitely not the first read and there's not much in the defensive alignment pre-snap that would tell Hurts to deviate to read him first. The play design also makes it clear that Barkley should NOT have delayed his release as I intially assumed, becase it's the same route combo as the 3rd and 2 play from earlier. The progression seems to be different but TEs are still running dig/curl, with the RB running a wheel to peel back the flat/hook defender. However, the concept doesnt work as well here because the defense is in a flatter coverage in zone and the wheel wasn't even the primary read (this tracks logically based on the compressed spacing near the goal line.) And when your LT is beat like a drum instantly after the snap, it makes sense why he never got a chance to progress beyond his 1st or 2nd read in this case. I'm willing to walk back my criticism of both Hurts and Barkley here. Hurts wanted to hit the TEs and then Smitty but they're all covered and he just doesn't have time. This is actually just a well called coverage by the Giants and the majority of the blame is on Johnson who became the single point of failure on this play. C+ play from Hurts. 

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He's in year 5. It's not silly to ask for the $255M QB to have the fundamentals down (especially when the HC won't shut up about them)

He's also just played his 6th game in a new offense. It's not like he's been running the same system for 5 years.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Because you call a pass off of the same formation/look later in the game.

I think it’s why we don’t score in the first quarter. Kellen is kinda going overboard with wanting to see everything the defense presents before he starts the attack. Also why we typically don’t run much in the first panel; they show a lot more on pass plays

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We can forgive SOME of Davis' low snaps to the fact that they pulled the starters for most of the 4th quarter.   BUT... that's still not good.  It would mean that he played more like 40% (at most) of the 'real' snaps.   That's also not good enough.   He was pulled a lot because they were defending the pass so much given the score.   So, his usefulness diminishes the better the team plays.  Just a ridiculous choice with how all of this has played out, and Donohue looks to be way smarter than Howie going back to that 2021 draft.  Alim McNeill is clearly the better player than either Milton Williams OR Jordan Davis.

Counterpoint -- The Giants ran 55 plays, and 37 were passes. Only 18 were runs. Pretty imbalanced.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

OK, I woke up and chose violence. 

Hurts is reminding me of...Donovan McNabb. There are plays that drive you nuts, and then plays that simply amaze you. The difference is, I think Hurts is clearly more dedicated to improving than McNabb ever was, but McNabb was clearly more physically gifted. And to be clear, I am a McNabb fan.

6 games in to a new offense, we are seeing improvement. Hopefully it continues. 

I think he's more Russell Wilson. Throws a great deep ball and has mobility, but lacks elite arm strength. Overall he makes good decisions and generally wins you a lot of football games, but will never be a tom brady or patrick mahomes. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, Davis played 12 snaps yesterday all game. Each game the last 3 games his snaps are getting less and less. He hasn’t played more than 50% since the Saints game. 

Well the giants kind of abandoned the run pretty early.  I am okay with going with the DTs that are better at pass rushing. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I am concerned that he continues to not see the field well and has limited to poor pocked presence.  He's not turned the ball over the last 2 games.  I don't have the concerns that I had initially about his arm talent.  His ability to process what he is seeing is his biggest weakness.  

Valid concern. But I disagree biggly. His biggest weakness is clearly turnovers. You can see the field poorly at times depending on the trash in front of you and still not fumble and bumble the ball all over the place.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We can forgive SOME of Davis' low snaps to the fact that they pulled the starters for most of the 4th quarter.   BUT... that's still not good.  It would mean that he played more like 40% (at most) of the 'real' snaps.   That's also not good enough.   He was pulled a lot because they were defending the pass so much given the score.   So, his usefulness diminishes the better the team plays.  Just a ridiculous choice with how all of this has played out, and Donohue looks to be way smarter than Howie going back to that 2021 draft.  Alim McNeill is clearly the better player than either Milton Williams OR Jordan Davis.

We knew drafting Davis was a gamble, they admitted that. He never played all the downs in college and conditioning was a known issue. That's easier to accept as a late 1st, or 2nd rounder. But they traded up for him, and included two additional picks. So you expect more. On the season, he's at 43% snaps. Milton Williams is at 46% and Ojomo 33%.

But if they can make the formula work it's fine as long as the team is performing. I can't see giving him a 2nd contract though, unless like a Barnett situation where he gets paid like a rotational player.

Just now, vikas83 said:

He's also just played his 6th game in a new offense. It's not like he's been running the same system for 5 years.

Not fumbling, stepping up in the pocket, reading the field and his progressions are football basics that are used in all systems at all levels

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

He's also just played his 6th game in a new offense. It's not like he's been running the same system for 5 years.

Its all been based on Siri's system for the past 4 years, no?

32 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Thos blog lives in an alternate reality of delusion. 5 TDs over the past 2 weeks, zero turnovers, back to back QB rating of 126.1 and 119.3 against two of the beat defenses in the league.  Meanwhile QBs around the league are turning it over like crazy from Mabomes to Purdy to Stroud to Love to Rodgers.  All of them.

Qb1 is not in the same conversation as Mahomes, Rodgers, Love, Stroud. They're all better than him. Qb1 leads the league in turnovers since the start of last year

41 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It's blatant trolling; the "extremely smart foorball" was a giveaway.

It's not "extremely smart foorball" to stand back there and take 5 sacks when it should have been the first point of emphasis to get the ball out on time and on script against a Giants defense leading the league in sacks.  That 3rd sack he took to Lawrence was absolutely god-awful -- he kept retreating and retreating and running in circles until the pass rush brought him down.  Absolutely no excuse for that from an NFL QB.

He's heading for injury again with those decisions.

Those sacks were awful. I agree with the injury thing

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Q falling to us at 22...sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

 

DROY

Eventually, they are going to leak VanSumeren into the flat in the red zone for a TD.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

He's also just played his 6th game in a new offense. It's not like he's been running the same system for 5 years.

Whats he doing well thats new? Its still the same sideline throws. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Best player on offense 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I think Dean has shown some improvement in coverage this season.  I don't think we have seen him play to his potential.  

Got to disagree with you on this one.  His missed tackles and slow reaction are a weakness for this defense.   Frankly, I was a bit tipsy by the fourth quarter but when the All22 comes out I am looking forward to watching how the backups played on D, especially Trot2.  Dean came into the draft as supposedly a high football IQ LB.  He doesn’t show that at all.   Trot2 did show a good football IQ in PS.   

BTW, when the backups were playing, the Ss were Brown and McCollum. Looking forward to see how they did in the All22. Ringo too.  Ringo looks like he is real close.  He was awful young when drafted (only 22 now) and a bit green. 

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

@Wentz_Era & @Iggles_Phan

I've watched the goal line miss to Barkley again from the ESP tweet and it's not as egregious of a mistake as I thought watching live, or at least, it's far less egregious than Hurts missing Smitty on the drag on that 3rd and 2. On the 3rd and 2 play where Kenny runs a wheel, Smitty is almost certainly the 2nd, or at the very least 3rd read, in the progression. Like I'd bet a large sum of money on it based on the play design. The defense is in man and Smitty comes free late, but it should have been anticipated based on the coverage. You can clearly see there's plenty of open space that was vacated by Kenny dragging the defender deep. With a clean pocket and decent protection, Hurts really has gotta come off his primary read quicker to find Smitty there. There's just no excuse for Hurts not pulling the trigger. None. F- play from Hurts.

On the Saquon wheel at the goal line, based on the field position and route concepts, I'd be shocked if Saquon was even the 3rd read (seems like he's 4th in the progression but I'm not as sure). What's very clear is that he's definitely not the first read and there's not much in the defensive alignment pre-snap that would tell Hurts to deviate to read him first. The play design also makes it clear that Barkley should NOT have delayed his release as I intially assumed, becase it's the same route combo as the 3rd and 2 play from earlier. The progression seems to be different but TEs are still running dig/curl, with the RB running a wheel to peel back the flat/hook defender. However, the concept doesnt work as well here because the defense is in a flatter coverage in zone and the wheel wasn't even the primary read (this tracks logically based on the compressed spacing near the goal line.) And when your LT is beat like a drum instantly after the snap, it makes sense why he never got a chance to progress beyond his 1st or 2nd read in this case. I'm willing to walk back my criticism of both Hurts and Barkley here. Hurts wanted to hit the TEs and then Smitty but they're all covered and he just doesn't have time. This is actually just a well called coverage by the Giants and the majority of the blame is on Johnson who became the single point of failure on this play. C+ play from Hurts. 

I'm still stuck on the formation and defensive alignment should have alerted Hurts to the flat, IMO.  Once the outside guy followed the TEs inside, the flat became a wide open space.  Read one guy, and throw it to the guy that's not getting followed.   It's one of those pre-snap type decisions where the defensive look sort of tells you where the ball should go before the snap.   I thought that was the best option pre-snap... and the way it turned out, it absolutely was.   My eyes were glued on Barkley that play, expecting that he'd be the target.    🤷‍♂️

Yikes